[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by ManyPaths

And if Christians didn't sin, then why do they go to confession and pray for Jesus to forgive them? Remember the Lords Prayer? All this judgement on this forum is a sin. Jesus was totally against judging.

Wrong again, Jezebel. Only Roman Catlickers go to confession, and they can hardly be considered Christian. A True Christian™ has no need for confession, because we are sinless, as has already been explained to you on multiple occasions.

As for the LORD's Prayer, you are taking this out of context. Jesus instructed His disciples to say this prayer at a time before His temporary death on the cross. They were not absolved of sin at this point. But we, the children of God who have been washed in the BLOOD of JESUS, have been washed of our sins and abide in True Christian Perfection™. Scriptural affirmation is available upon request, or you could just read the previous posts in this thread.

As for our Christian prerogative to judge, please take the time out of your busy schedule of smoking drugs and fornicating with your mudslime boyfriend to read this illuminating clarification of God's position on judgment.

Originally Posted by Higgins

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

Son, can you back any of that up with Scripture? Was Aristotle washed in the Blood of Jesus? Take a look at the verse in my signature. You would do well to ponder that.

Also consider this verse from I Timothy 6:20-21:

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Your fancy book learning will win you no arguments here, boy. Take that garbage back to your liberal elite cocktail parties where it should stay.

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Higgins

I stand corrected, thank you. I should note that I was giving Aristotle's view on the subject after all he has been linked to Christianity thorough some of its history (for the last 8 centuries give or take).

Yes, and that is just about the time that the Catholic SATANIC Church hijacked the name Christian and turned into a Greco-Roman Pagan religion. I'm not surprised that they would be interested in the ramblings of an evil homosexual philosopher.

[Higgins]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

Son, can you back any of that up with Scripture? Was Aristotle washed in the Blood of Jesus? Take a look at the verse in my signature. You would do well to ponder that.

Also consider this verse from I Timothy 6:20-21:

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Your fancy book learning will win you no arguments here, boy. Take that garbage back to your liberal elite cocktail parties where it should stay.

Aristotle, no, using scripture I cannot prove that he was washed in the blood of Christ (this should come of no surprise since Aristotle died before Christ came to the Earth in bodily form). So you are correct in stating that, but what about Peter? I imagine someone who took the Blood of Christ at the Last Supper would be not have denied Christ three times (See Mark 14:66-72). Of course I could be wrong about it since the Bible does not say that Peter was physically washed but rather drank the Blood of Christ.

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Higgins

Aristotle, no, using scripture I cannot prove that he was washed in the blood of Christ (this should come of no surprise since Aristotle died before Christ came to the Earth in bodily form). So you are correct in stating that, but what about Peter? I imagine someone who took the Blood of Christ at the Last Supper would be not have denied Christ three times (See Mark 14:66-72). Of course I could be wrong about it since the Bible does not say that Peter was physically washed but rather drank the Blood of Christ.

Ridiculous. Peter denied Christ BEFORE He was crucified. He did not literally drink the blood of Christ at the last supper - that is a heretical Catholic dogma. It was regular plain wine. Jesus was speaking metaphorically of His death the next day. Peter sinned before that.

[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by Higgins

Aristotle, no, using scripture I cannot prove that he was washed in the blood of Christ (this should come of no surprise since Aristotle died before Christ came to the Earth in bodily form). So you are correct in stating that, but what about Peter? I imagine someone who took the Blood of Christ at the Last Supper would be not have denied Christ three times (See Mark 14:66-72). Of course I could be wrong about it since the Bible does not say that Peter was physically washed but rather drank the Blood of Christ.

Peter was not washed of sin until after Jesus' crucifixion. Care to lob another softball, or are you ready to abandon your vain academics and give your life to the LORD?

[Higgins]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

Peter was not washed of sin until after Jesus' crucifixion. Care to lob another softball, or are you ready to abandon your vain academics and give your life to the LORD?

I stand corrected in an intellect far greater than mine. Praise Jesus.

[Meek and Humble]

1 Corinthians 15: 34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


Now, some claim Jesus was the only one who never sinned. That by His sinless life, we receive grace that washes our sins away. This is incorrect, though. It was not his sinless life, but rather the fact that he took on the punishment of our sins, that we are justified. Therefore, it is unnecessary to say Christ is the only sinless person.


Romans 5: 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


It's one thing to CLAIM you are good and saved, but if you are not actually, and continue sinning, you are damned. Even a repentant prostitute, as long as she stops sinning, can enter heaven ahead of a so-called Christian who leads a sinful life.


Matthew 21: 28But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
30And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

[Ummalummadingdong]

All the Prophets( May God be Pleased with them) are Sinless.

I have a question though.... How can a Human which God has created to have flaws be Sinless also?

And Is it you just have to be a Christian to be Sinless and Enter Heaven?
Or you need to go to church every Sunday, and so on so forth?

(not bashing, just asking)

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by UmmAbdulmalik

All the Prophets( May God be Pleased with them) are Sinless.

I have a question though.... How can a Human which God has created to have flaws be Sinless also?

And Is it you just have to be a Christian to be Sinless and Enter Heaven?
Or you need to go to church every Sunday, and so on so forth?

(not bashing, just asking)

If you commit a sin, you are not a True Christian™. If you are a True Christian™ then you do not sin.

Going to church is how you learn to be a True Christian™. If you truly worship the Lord, you will want to come to church out of desire. Not only as a requirement for entering Heaven. If you do not attend church, then you are probably a foul, sinning, anti-social psychopath who murders old ladies. Who doesn't go to church? That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Only atheist homosexuals and liberals don't go to church. That's like not having a television.

[Higgins]

Originally Posted by UmmAbdulmalik

All the Prophets( May God be Pleased with them) are Sinless.

I have a question though.... How can a Human which God has created to have flaws be Sinless also?

And Is it you just have to be a Christian to be Sinless and Enter Heaven?
Or you need to go to church every Sunday, and so on so forth?

(not bashing, just asking)

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't The Prophet have doubts about his own sanity when the angel first told him to recite? And isn't doubting God a sin?

[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by UmmAbdulmalik

All the Prophets( May God be Pleased with them) are Sinless.

I have a question though.... How can a Human which God has created to have flaws be Sinless also?

And Is it you just have to be a Christian to be Sinless and Enter Heaven?
Or you need to go to church every Sunday, and so on so forth?

(not bashing, just asking)

Son, have you not been reading the verses of Scripture posted in this very thread? We are born with sin nature (e.g., Psalm 51:5), but by being washed in the Blood of Jesus, we are now perfect children of God (e.g., John 1:12, Revelation 1:5).

Do yourself a favor and read Pastor Levi's sermon, True Christians™ are Perfect! That should answer any questions you have.

Many people who call themselves "Christian" are given to false doctrine and follow a false Christ of their own deluded imagination (e.g., Matthew 24:24). Only True Christians™ who live by every precious word found in the King James Bible of 1611 can be said to be children of God (e.g., Proverbs 30:5-6). When we are Saved®, glorifying Him by regularly attending worship services and tithing to His Church are natural behaviors. So I don't really understand what you mean by that question.

[Ummalummadingdong]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

Son, have you not been reading the verses of Scripture posted in this very thread? We are born with sin nature (e.g., Psalm 51:5), but by being washed in the Blood of Jesus, we are now perfect children of God (e.g., John 1:12, Revelation 1:5).

Do yourself a favor and read Pastor Levi's sermon, True Christians™ are Perfect! That should answer any questions you have.

Many people who call themselves "Christian" are given to false doctrine and follow a false Christ of their own deluded imagination (e.g., Matthew 24:24). Only True Christians™ who live by every precious word found in the King James Bible of 1611 can be said to be children of God (e.g., Proverbs 30:5-6). When we are Saved®, glorifying Him by regularly attending worship services and tithing to His Church are natural behaviors. So I don't really understand what you mean by that question.

Okay you answered my questions
And I'm a woman but I am not Christian that's why I asked.

[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by UmmAbdulmalik

Okay you answered my questions
And I'm a woman but I am not Christian that's why I asked.

Why do you reject Christ? He died for your sins.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Don't you want to join us in Heaven?

[Ummalummadingdong]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

Why do you reject Christ? He died for your sins.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Don't you want to join us in Heaven?

I left Christianity because I doubted the Bible
I'll stay here and study... Who knows what God Plans are.

[Jo Freddie]

Originally Posted by UmmAbdulmalik

I left Christianity because I doubted the Bible
I'll stay here and study... Who knows what God Plans are.

Our Lord Noodle has a prankish nature, he may have brought you here not to accept the version of god in the KJV CFT that these people moan on about, but to learn about His True nature from the small insight I am able to provide.

[Meek and Humble]

To carry on the topic of justification. Some believe that justification from God means that although we are sinners, we will not be judged as so. This is incorrect. The Bible makes clear all people are judged. Justification is the result of being found truly innocent and sin-free.


Exodus 23: 7Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.


Deuteronomy 25: 1If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.


Therefore, a sinner being judged by the law, will be condemned. It is impossible for a sinner to be excused or justified by God's law.

Romans 3: 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Therefore, there is something happening to take away people's sins. We are all born sinners, and yet some of us can be saved.



Roman 3: 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3: 21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;


So what is justification, if it does not mean God ignoring your sins and saving you anyway? What does Christ's sacrifice represent? Well, Christ's was a sacrifice in the Old Testament tradition. When someone committed a sin in ancient times, they would sacrifice an animal as a sign of atonement, but were expected not to repeat the offense again. Every time the offense was repeated, the sacrifice had to be repeated. But Christ was the last sacrifice. You only get one shot:



Romans 4: 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


This quotation from David shows what both David and Paul understood by the term justification; to wit, the pardon and the acceptance of the penitent sinner

And don't forget this:

Romans 5: 1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: