[WinnerNotSinner]

Originally Posted by RainbowSheep

You are being EXTREMELY racist!

Woah, let's not bring in the 'R' word. We have a zero tolerance to racism here, and being racist is a bannable offense.

Originally Posted by RainbowSheep

EXTREMELY insensitive!

We are following the Word of GOD©. I will not apologise for some lazy negroes down in The Conga or Nigeria or what not being hungry. I am a GOD fearing American and that's why I've been blessed to live in a house worth over a million dollars whilst they live in mud huts. Is showing love for the little baby JESUS really insensitive? Ask yourself that.

Originally Posted by RainbowSheep

AND
EXTREMELY WRONG!

Listen, this is just your opinion. Just like our opinion is that if they loved JESUS a bit more they would get their just rewards.

The difference is OUR opinion is supported by Scripture, from the correct Bible.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by RainbowSheep

AFRICA=

I think that's bit racist to put that ornamental chink there with others you think as Africans

[RainbowSheep]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Proven by the average of six wars going on there (and never less than three) (and NOT including purely domestic rebellions, revolutions, mutinies, insurrections, coups d'etat, etc.) at any given time since WW2.

Nevertheless, the wars have been caused by the uprising of religious groups/or those seeking to make them self a deity, who have wished to control the impressionable minds of the poor. The common civilian wishes nothing more than peace and a together community.

: jesus:

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by RainbowSheep

Nevertheless, the wars have been caused by the uprising of religious groups/or those seeking to make them self a deity, who have wished to control the impressionable minds of the poor. The common civilian wishes nothing more than peace and a together community...

Pull your head out, man. If you're going to claim to be a professor, at least put on a show of academic honesty. Start by learning about the "no true scotsman" fallacy you attempted to use there.

[Torrac]

Wow, just wow.

I pray that I will get to see The Lord deal with you lot.

It's not gonna be pretty.

Racist bigots, go ahead and put a label to my name, I have you.

[psycho]

Ok so lets look at this issue from a relative and non bias standpoint. I will try to point out that your arguments relating to LAZY NEGROES as you so put it is unfounded and completely irrational.

Firstly I live and work in Africa....wow imagine that. You didn't think someone from Africa would ever reply to your posts now did you. I can assue you I am of a higher IQ than most people who spill their drivel across this forum. Its also shameful to see how people, most notably on this forum and thread, publicly ridicule others and do not offer any solutions to the problem.

Now to say that they are lazy and must overcome their hunger with prayer is foolish. It is not necessarily their fault and this is why. In most African countries they are ruled by on oppressive ruling party or dictatorship. This equates to the general population to being uneducated and in most cases illiterate. So who is at fault there? Surely not the individual who is suffering... yes suffering. You should not be casting judgement down on the less fortunate or even more wealthy for that matter, Does the bible not teach us he who is without sin may cast the first stone. Now I don't profess to be without sin as this is near impossible.

Put yourself in their position, oh wait you cant because you are true Christians given the right to live in the land of the brave and home of the free... please get a grip and stop being a bunch of ignorant fools. If there is one ounce of genuine selfless thought processed among the individuals ridiculing the less fortunate in Africa it would be a miracle.

So I welcome your input to my counter in your flawed argument, lets see if you can constructively add to a proper debate without relying on religion to defend yourselves. Because religion holds no part in this and it boils down to education of the masses who are currently oppressed by their so called leaders.

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by psycho

Ok so lets look at this issue from a relative and non bias standpoint . . .

Welcome to God’s favorite forum! Please start a thread in the introduction forum and tell us what church you attend, your favorite Bible verse and how you found Jesus.

Does the bible not teach us he who is without sin may cast the first stone.

Let's look at that verse in context.

Jn 8:3-6a
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.

The Scribes and Pharisees bring a woman in caught in adultery, in the very act (this is important), as a test to see whether Jesus will oppose the Law of Moses.

Jn 8:6b-8
6b. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

When Jesus says, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her," He is referring to Deuteronomy 17:6-7.

6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
7 The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.

These verses state that to stone someone legally, witnesses had to be present and actually be the first to initiate the death sentence. The law was very specific with regard to adultery in that it stated that both the man and the woman had to die.

Deut 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

It doesn't take much processing power then to see what Jesus was saying: "He who is not guilty of adultery be the first to cast a stone at her." And if indeed the woman was caught "in the very act" of adultery, then where was the man? In their earnestness to discredit Jesus, they didn't even bother to keep the law they boasted so much about.

Jn 8:9-11
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So the law couldn't be carried out - not because Jesus opposed killing - but because the law could not be carried out properly. Jesus was the only one who kept the law perfectly.

The idea that Jesus was saying, "He who is not guilty of any sin at all cast a stone at her first" makes no sense because, in that case, no one could have ever carried out the law since all have sinned (1 Ki 8:46; Ecc 7:20; Rom 3:23).

Now I don't profess to be without sin as this is near impossible.

Well, then, you're not a True Christian™. We're perfect.

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Torrac

Wow, just wow.

I pray that I will get to see The Lord deal with you lot.

It's not gonna be pretty.

Racist bigots, go ahead and put a label to my name, I have you.

Welcome to God’s favorite forum! Please start a thread in the introduction forum and tell us what church you attend, your favorite Bible verse and how you found Jesus.

[psycho]

Shame you used religion to try counter my argument, you people are pathetic and a useless waste of air and space. Sure i can come and quote a million things from the bible and it will all be useless as you are so narrow minded and DUMB AS PIG FECES its not worth trying to debate constructively. Also please note that at no point did I ever profess to be a true christian. This is actually a fabled term in the modern day society as I can assure you that should you face GOD as such you will burn for your sins too, yes i said it! A true christian would have been a person the likes of Mother Theresa not a bunch of arrogant fools posting on a forum about a topic they obviously have no idea about.

I believe Torrac is correct in his assessment in calling some people here Racist bigots. Clearly you have been sheltered by your ignorant beliefs and been fed lies and made to believe the useless crap that you spew forth. How can you profess to be true christians by quoting the bible, its pathetic and im disgusted to know that there are human beings of this caliber among us. Yes there are many human rights violations being committed daily, murders, rape, theft etc, by a number of ignorant and selfish fools but I fool does not know better, you lot should... Are you educated...YES... do you have a brain... YES... is it working.... Clearly not...

Shameful indeed to see the world around us is a place where race colour or creed defines what others think of one another. Would GOD discriminate or would he help those in need? Come now idiots please for the love of whatever you want to profess something in bring me some constructive points to show you the error of your ways...

[psycho]

One more thing i seem to have an issue with is how can you say this is God's favourite form? Who told you this? I find this to be a rather conceited statement to make on a public forum, just another nail in the coffin i guess...

[Torrac]

There's a special corner in hell for you ignorant *** removed potty mouth ***. Praise the Lord!!!

[Torrac]

Btw, "We're perfect"

God tells us that EVERYONE is a sinner (Ecc 7:20, Jn 8:34, Rom 3:10, Rom 8:7-8, I Cor 2:14), nothing anyone does is good enough to please God (Is 64:6), and EVERYONE therefore deserves to go to Hell (Rom 3:23, Rom 6:23, Rev 20:15).

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by psycho

Sure i can come and quote a million things from the bible and it will all be useless as you are so narrow minded and DUMB AS PIG FECES its not worth trying to debate constructively.

While this is not a debate forum, we would be very interested to hear any Bible verses you have to back up your position.

Also please note that at no point did I ever profess to be a true christian. This is actually a fabled term in the modern day society as I can assure you that should you face GOD as such you will burn for your sins too, yes i said it!

So if you're not a Christian, what are you? And how do you know what God will do? What gives you the right to judge us?

A true christian would have been a person the likes of Mother Theresa not a bunch of arrogant fools posting on a forum about a topic they obviously have no idea about.

Mother Theresa was a Catholic, and Catholics aren't Christians. She is a foul sinner burning in hell.

How can you profess to be true christians by quoting the bible,

How can anyone profess to be a Christian and not quote the Bible?

Shameful indeed to see the world around us is a place where race colour or creed defines what others think of one another. Would GOD discriminate or would he help those in need?

There are many instances in the Bible where God discriminates among races. The descendants of Ham (Africans) are cursed. Canaan was a son of Ham.

Genesis 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Genesis 9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

God hates race mixing.

Genesis 34:1 And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.
Genesis 34:2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.

Numbers 25:6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Numbers 25:7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
Numbers 25:8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

Judges 3:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
Judges 3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.
Judges 3:7 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.

In the following passages, "strange women," "strange wives" and "strange flesh" refer to foreign women.

1st Kings 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
1st Kings 11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

Proverbs 23:27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.
Proverbs 23:28 She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men.
[...]
Proverbs 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.

Ezra 9:2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.

Ezra 10:2 And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing.
Ezra 10:3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
[...]
Ezra 10:10 And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.
Ezra 10:11 Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives.
[...]
Ezra 10:17 And they made an end with all the men that had taken strange wives by the first day of the first month.

Nehemiah 9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.

Nehemiah 13:3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.

Nehemiah 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab:
Nehemiah 13:24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.
Nehemiah 13:25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.
Nehemiah 13:26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.
Nehemiah 13:27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?
Nehemiah 13:28 And one of the sons of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was son in law to Sanballat the Horonite: therefore I chased him from me.
Nehemiah 13:29 Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites.
Nehemiah 13:30 Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business;
Jeremiah 50:37 A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed.

Ezekiel 30:5 Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Black people are lazy:

Song of Solomon 1:6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

Even Jesus Himself called a Canaanite woman a dog and initially didn't want to heal her daughter.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[...]
Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Torrac

Btw, "We're perfect"

God tells us that EVERYONE is a sinner (Ecc 7:20, Jn 8:34, Rom 3:10, Rom 8:7-8, I Cor 2:14), nothing anyone does is good enough to please God (Is 64:6), and EVERYONE therefore deserves to go to Hell (Rom 3:23, Rom 6:23, Rev 20:15).

Don't be silly. This is why you should read the Bible yourself. If you would have done so, you would know that True Christians™ are perfect and free of sin.

1st John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Torrac

Btw, "We're perfect"

God tells us that EVERYONE is a sinner (Ecc 7:20, Jn 8:34, Rom 3:10, Rom 8:7-8, I Cor 2:14), nothing anyone does is good enough to please God (Is 64:6), and EVERYONE therefore deserves to go to Hell (Rom 3:23, Rom 6:23, Rev 20:15).

What you say is true. Every zygote is an abominable sinner deserving of God's eternal wrath.

Ps 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

But when we become Christians, we are made perfect and cannot sin.

1 Jn 3:5-9
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If you're going to disagree with me on this, read this first. Seriously.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by psycho

Would GOD discriminate or would he help those in need?

Great question, son! Most people in the world today think of God as some ethereal being, more of a living consciousness, if you will. This force of Love is understood to no more discriminate against a person than the force of magnetism would discriminate against a person. The idea being, this force exists, regardless of whether or not you channel it.

This is all modern, new-age foolishness however. We know this because if this was the faith of Christ (Galatians 2:16), Christ Himself would have said so! But He didn't, not as Jesus, and not as Yahweh when He carefully chose and dictated the very words to record His Will (as eventually published in the King James Version Holy Bible). Not only is it completely absent from Scripture and the history of church, it defies what is pronounced in Scripture.

For the Christian knowledgeable with the Word, the answer is a resounding affirmation of God's Divine Discrimination. You see, God doesn't spread His love to just anyone, He is very particular with His affections. He is, after all, a Jealous God (Exodus 34:14). Those who love and worship Him are adopted into His Divine Family. This is who God loves, this is who God helps.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 8:14; 17

It is His special children who, among all the peoples of the world, are singled out for Blessings.

And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and theirs offspring among the people:
all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.
Isaiah 61:9

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
John 15:8

The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand:
and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
Deuteronomy 28:12

Actually, all of Deuteronomy chapter 28 is good to understand God's Blessings. The first half is blessings, second half is curses, laying out exactly who God helps, and against who He discriminates.

The idea that God helps those in need simply cannot be reconciled with Scripture or reality. You live in Africa, you've no doubt seen the starving, war-torn, desperate people of your continent. If there is anyone who is more in need than a child being recruited to fight another man's war, then I'll eat my hat. God doesn't help them, though, does He? You must ask yourself, Why not? And if you answer with some modern, fluffy, vague, patronizing God-loves-everyone garbage, then you've done nothing but satisfied your own guilt and distracted yourself from feeling uncomfortable, for surely it is not a part of the faith of Christ.

Think about it - Jesus fed the 5000 AFTER they listened to and believed His sermon. Not before.

[Torrac]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Don't be silly. This is why you should read the Bible yourself. If you would have done so, you would know that True Christians™ are perfect and free of sin.

1st John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

I actually just pulled that from another page somewhere on this website, possibly out of context.

Thanks for the laughs. And I hope somewhere out there you people are actually doing some good.

Americas best Christians...

BTW huck starr is doing his job right, you should commend him a little.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by psycho

...Because religion holds no part in this and it boils down to education of the masses...

And guess what force in the world is, and always has been, the staunchest denier of "education of the masses"? Hint: It starts with an "R" and rhymes with mallidjin.

Originally Posted by psycho

...you people are pathetic and a useless waste of air and space...

Take a minute here, and go look up "ad hominem". We'll wait.

...Sure i can come and quote a million things from the bible...

As there's less than 900,000 words in the entire Bible, I doubt it.

...you are so narrow minded and DUMB AS PIG FECES...

Ad hominem: it's a fallacy, and using it just makes YOUR argument seem weak.

...its not worth trying to debate constructively...

How do you know that? You haven't even attempted to, yet.

...A true christian would have been a person the likes of Mother Theresa...

Really? You're sure? Please, if you read no other links here, at least read this (it's not from the Bible):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa

Here's a small sample:

...Teresa's words at a 1981 press conference in which she was asked: "Do you teach the poor to endure their lot?" She replied: "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."...

So much for your "saint".

[James Hutchins]

I am a Christian man. As such, I probably feed close to a hundred of these lazy jigaboos every day.
My mess halls opens at 4 AM and runs to 5 AM, every day but Sunday. There is a line of these 'people' before the door opens. At 5:30, the trucks go out to the fields and returns at 8 PM.
You'd think these creatures would have the common decency to go to the wash stall, clean up and go to the dinner I offer. Nope. The go right into line.
After eating their tray, some have had the audacity to get back in line to 'beg for more'. Fortunately, my son Ralph has a fool proof method of preventing these double dippers. He put a number on the inside of each blackies wrist. Now when they come through, their number is checked off the list.
Sometimes, I use a fire hose on the lot to cut the stench. Boo hoo if they had not eaten the food God provided. Ungrateful bastards.

[Titus Templeton]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

I am a Christian man. As such, I probably feed close to a hundred of these lazy jigaboos every day.
My mess halls opens at 4 AM and runs to 5 AM, every day but Sunday. There is a line of these 'people' before the door opens. At 5:30, the trucks go out to the fields and returns at 8 PM.
You'd think these creatures would have the common decency to go to the wash stall, clean up and go to the dinner I offer. Nope. The go right into line.
After eating their tray, some have had the audacity to get back in line to 'beg for more'. Fortunately, my son Ralph has a fool proof method of preventing these double dippers. He put a number on the inside of each blackies wrist. Now when they come through, their number is checked off the list.
Sometimes, I use a fire hose on the lot to cut the stench. Boo hoo if they had not eaten the food God provided. Ungrateful bastards.

Still God sees you are doing a good deed, Brother!