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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-25-2013, 03:01 PM
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Prove it is not.
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When two people have a disagreement of the existence of something, the person who is proposing the thing exist - he has the burden of Proof.
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So you don't consider written evidence to be evidence?
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If there is sufficient, positive evidence of observations, experimentation, testing etc. of the things that is written down in a book that would be better. However, the Bible has nothing of such evidence. It's only based on faith. You think it's okay to believe something on faith, but I don't, and evidently you're admitting that you cannot demonstrate the truth and reality of your God to anyone else.
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05-25-2013, 03:07 PM
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When two people have a disagreement of the existence of something, the person who is proposing the thing exist - he has the burden of Proof.
If there is sufficient, positive evidence of observations, experimentation, testing etc. of the things that is written down in a book that would be better. However, the Bible has nothing of such evidence. It's only based on faith. You think it's okay to believe something on faith, but I don't, and evidently you're admitting that you cannot demonstrate the truth and reality of your God to anyone else.
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Ridiculous. If a Christian landowner kills an illegal immigrant in self defence the he does not have to prove he is innocent. The government has to prove he is guilty.
The burden of proof is not for him to make his point: it is for the accusers to prove him wrong.
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1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-25-2013, 07:43 PM
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When two people have a disagreement of the existence of something, the person who is proposing the thing exist - he has the burden of Proof.
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You claim God doesn't exist, so the burden of proof is on you.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-25-2013, 08:35 PM
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Ridiculous. If a Christian landowner kills an illegal immigrant in self defence the he does not have to prove he is innocent. The government has to prove he is guilty.
The burden of proof is not for him to make his point: it is for the accusers to prove him wrong.
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The state is the one making the claim that he has breached the law.
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You claim God doesn't exist, so the burden of proof is on you.
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It is impossible to prove that something imaginary does not exist. It's like trying to prove that unicorns don't exist. In order to prove something you have to be able to collect data, if you can't collect data there is nothing to prove. Let's take unicorns. I must be able to collect data about them if I was to prove they didn't exist, since I can't see them, smell them, collect poop or find any tracks that they leave I can't prove that they don't exists that is why religious people like you keep ignoring the fact that the burden of proof is on you. If I create an imaginary creature that I call Zezima, I can't ask you to prove to me that it does not exist since that would be impossible for you to accomplish. I would have to prove to you that it does exist, not the other way around. I can't ask you to take my word for it since you never have seen any of this creatures. Basically you are asking for an impossibility.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-25-2013, 08:42 PM
So you are saying you made it all up about God not existing, correct? You have ZERO proof. Finely, you are being honest!
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-25-2013, 08:48 PM
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...It's like trying to prove that unicorns don't exist...
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But unicorns DO exist (according to the Bible):
Numbers 23:22, Numbers 24:8, Job 39:9, Job 39:10, Psalm 29:6 and Psalm 92:10.
Why would God mention them if they don't exist?
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-25-2013, 08:59 PM
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So you are saying you made it all up about God not existing, correct? You have ZERO proof. Finely, you are being honest!
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You have ZERO proof of him existing. The existence of God is not proven, nor is it disproven (effectively). Because we can't disprove something, doesn't mean, in anyway, it's proven. You need sufficient, positive, and outstanding evidence; something you don't have. Theists have not given a shred of evidence expect blind faith.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-25-2013, 09:24 PM
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You have ZERO proof of him existing. The existence of God is not proven, nor is it disproven (effectively). Because we can't disprove something, doesn't mean, in anyway, it's proven. You need sufficient, positive, and outstanding evidence; something you don't have. Theists have not given a shred of evidence expect blind faith.
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Sure we do!
Many first hand in person accounts that are in the Bible, the worlds Greats Story.
We even have you, a renowned scientist extraordinarie who gave his personal blessing that despite his best efforts to disprove the existence of God, he failed. Same logic used when a person goes outside, if their head does not get wet, it is not raining.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-28-2013, 02:13 PM
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Sure we do!
Many first hand in person accounts that are in the Bible, the worlds Greats Story.
We even have you, a renowned scientist extraordinarie who gave his personal blessing that despite his best efforts to disprove the existence of God, he failed. Same logic used when a person goes outside, if their head does not get wet, it is not raining.
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This is what happens when you snort paint chips. No person can be THAT stupid.
Nothing can prove either because there obviously are no gods and the Bible is just a heavily edited and anonymously written book of myths, with a little local news thrown in for good measure. Deists are always trying to use twisted 'logic' like this to back up their impossible claims but nobody's buying any of it.
As for "many first hand in person accounts that are in the Bible", and Harry Potter gives his first hand in person account of his battles with Lord Voldemort. Also Dr. Watson gives his first hand in person account of his and Sherlock Homes' battles with Moriarty. There are stories claiming first hand in person accounts. If I write "10.000 people saw the mermaids today. " it doesn't make it true. Please take your time and try to be both accurate and funny. The funny thing isn't working for you and the inaccuracy and poor grammar give away your ignorance.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-28-2013, 02:26 PM
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This is what happens when you snort paint chips. No person can be THAT stupid.
Nothing can prove either because there obviously are no gods and the Bible is just a heavily edited and anonymously written book of myths, with a little local news thrown in for good measure. Deists are always trying to use twisted 'logic' like this to back up their impossible claims but nobody's buying any of it.
As for "many first hand in person accounts that are in the Bible", and Harry Potter gives his first hand in person account of his battles with Lord Voldemort. Also Dr. Watson gives his first hand in person account of his and Sherlock Homes' battles with Moriarty. There are stories claiming first hand in person accounts. If I write "10.000 people saw the mermaids today. " it doesn't make it true. Please take your time and try to be both accurate and funny. The funny thing isn't working for you and the inaccuracy and poor grammar give away your ignorance.
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What you forget is that Harri Potter is a work of fiction. It even has a disclaimer in the opening pages stating it is fiction (and that is the law in this country).
The author makes no pretence that his work is a work of fiction and goes out of his way to say so: do you think Dr Watson thinks Sherlock Holmes is real? Or that J.K. Tolkien thinks Hogwarts and quidich are real?
Get real
Th Bible makes not such claims of fiction.
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1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-28-2013, 02:29 PM
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This is what happens when you snort paint chips. No person can be THAT stupid.
Nothing can prove either because there obviously are no gods and the Bible is just a heavily edited and anonymously written book of myths, with a little local news thrown in for good measure. Deists are always trying to use twisted 'logic' like this to back up their impossible claims but nobody's buying any of it.
As for "many first hand in person accounts that are in the Bible", and Harry Potter gives his first hand in person account of his battles with Lord Voldemort. Also Dr. Watson gives his first hand in person account of his and Sherlock Homes' battles with Moriarty. There are stories claiming first hand in person accounts. If I write "10.000 people saw the mermaids today. " it doesn't make it true. Please take your time and try to be both accurate and funny. The funny thing isn't working for you and the inaccuracy and poor grammar give away your ignorance.
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Typical, resorting to ad hominem attacks. You God haters are all alike. Smug in you false beliefs until Judgment Day© when you'll be crying like a baby, begging Jesus to forgive your ignorance. A word to the wise friend, it will be too late.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-28-2013, 03:15 PM
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What you forget is that Harri Potter is a work of fiction. It even has a disclaimer in the opening pages stating it is fiction (and that is the law in this country).
The author makes no pretence that his work is a work of fiction and goes out of his way to say so: do you think Dr Watson thinks Sherlock Holmes is real? Or that J.K. Tolkien thinks Hogwarts and quidich are real?
Get real
Th Bible makes not such claims of fiction.
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If the bible is not a work of fiction, where are the talking snakes or the zombies?Is food still falling from the sky?Am i to presume the world is still flat and that all humans descended from one couple?Read it and then try to tell yourself that it is not a vile,pornographic and murderous work of fiction with an imaginary hero. Fiction, they are just myths stolen from older religions. Go to books.google.com and download Bible Myths and Their Parallels In Other Religions, by TW Doane, It was used in Harvard Seminary, and explains the origins of the myths very well. People believe in the bible because most were indoctrinated into the belief by their families and thats what they are told to believe. People don't need the bible to teach them how to be good, loving, decent human beings.
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I can't hate something that I don't even believe in.
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Re: I Don't Understand Evolutionists -
05-28-2013, 03:18 PM
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....I can't hate something that I don't even believe in.
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Yes, yes you are. Your hatred is seething along with your ignorance of Gods Majesty. If you were not so fervently against God and religion, you would not be here. If you honestly did not believe, they you would not bother to harass decent people. Deep down inside, you know you are terribly wrong about everything.
People like you are very sad.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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05-28-2013, 04:03 PM
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Yes, yes you are. Your hatred is seething along with your ignorance of Gods Majesty. If you were not so fervently against God and religion, you would not be here. If you honestly did not believe, they you would not bother to harass decent people. Deep down inside, you know you are terribly wrong about everything.
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You are mistaking the hatred many people have for the hypocrisy of your religion as hatred of a God. As with most religious folks, you can't distinguish your faith/religion from the being that is a God. An atheist knows there is no God and as such there is nothing to hate. The motivation the idea of a god creates in people is what is hated.
We also can easily hate the idiotic religious fanatics who spread misery wherever they go. Who is harassing whom? Religious nutters are the ones that are always condemning atheists to hell, and saying they should be eliminated,etc. So much for being "loving, forgiving, and non-judgmental." Nice try at deflecting the hatred and contempt that you (and others like you) have earned for yourselves by ignorantly trying to force your ridiculous bronze age goat herder beliefs on modern society.
We don't hate imaginary characters in your book of fairy tales...but most of us have learned to despise the resultant consequences to society, culture and personal freedoms. Sufficient reason to speak out against it when the opportunity arises.
Take some personal responsibility for the damage you've supported and helped to create, and it will all make sense. Or do what you always do...blame everything on your imaginary friend. It has to be good for something, after all.
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People like you are very sad.
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You hypocrites make decent people very sad. Atheists are decent people too. Just because we don't believe in your fairy tale doesn't make us sad.
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05-28-2013, 04:05 PM
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If the bible is not a work of fiction, where are the talking snakes or the zombies?
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If evolution is not a work of fiction, where are the dinosaurs?
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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05-28-2013, 04:23 PM
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If evolution is not a work of fiction, where are the dinosaurs?
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Have you not heard of extinction? The extinction event?
Evolution is not a work of fiction. It's proven. As is the existence of dinosaurs. Something that is a work of fiction is every single religious text.
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05-28-2013, 04:25 PM
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Have you not heard of extinction? The extinction event?
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So you can point to a reason you no longer see dinosaurs and we're expected to accept that, but if we point to a reason we no longer see talking serpents you're not expected to accept that.
Do you really not see the double standard in this atheist logic?
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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05-28-2013, 04:28 PM
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.... Atheists are decent people too. Just because we don't believe in your fairy tale doesn't make us sad.
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No, you are sad because you are athiests. Sad people are not decent people.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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05-28-2013, 05:04 PM
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So you can point to a reason you no longer see dinosaurs and we're expected to accept that, but if we point to a reason we no longer see talking serpents you're not expected to accept that.
YOUR logic is completely invalid.
Do you really not see the double standard in this atheist logic?
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We can see fossilized remnants of the giant reptiles. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that there was ever a talking snake? Dinosaurs have some evidence to back them up. Talking snakes do not.
There is ample evidence to establish that dinosaurs existed, and when they existed, and good reasons for them having gone extinct.
There is no evidence a "talking serpent" ever existed.
Disregarding the fossil evidence, the lack of scientific thought and the pretty well documented evidence for the extinction of the dinosaurs, you have a significant problem with your argument.
Relating to the point to a reason section - I have never seen anybody point to such a reason, let alone with any evidence to support the reason (or even any evidence to support the proposition that talking serpents existed in the first place).
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No, you are sad because you are athiests. Sad people are not decent people.
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I'm pretty sure that I am not sad. Quite the opposite. I know a lot of sad religious people. Why do some theists lie about people they know nothing about? It makes me laugh how much you people want this to be true.
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05-28-2013, 06:10 PM
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We can see fossilized remnants of the giant reptiles. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that there was ever a talking snake? Dinosaurs have some evidence to back them up. Talking snakes do not.
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There's so much evidence for the Creation Theory, it's not even funny. One day you Darwinists will feel silly when your grandchildren tease you for being so easily duped.
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Relating to the point to a reason section - I have never seen anybody point to such a reason, let alone with any evidence to support the reason (or even any evidence to support the proposition that talking serpents existed in the first place).
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That's where you're wrong, friend. You have seen reasons pointed out again and again, but you've been brainwashed into being blind to those things. The cognitive dissonance that keeps Darwinists like you entrapped in an irrational belief system like evolution is powerful indeed.
There is only one way to find the Truth©, dear.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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