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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 06:18 AM
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Google it. It is 05:36 here and I have no time to explain philosophy as I have to be up to help a friend with her dissertation. I can tell you though, it is the meaning of the word hate you are confusing. Maybe studying 17th century English would help you there. Self sustained study is the key to self betterment!
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Don't patronise me please. I dont need to google answers. I am aware of 'miseo' and have previously looked at every time it comes up in the Hebrew text. I understand it's meaning.
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 06:20 AM
Look, it starts with double-whatever, then come the winks and arched eyebrows, and next thing you know people are texting photos of their tallywackers to each other. Does Leviticus 18:22 mean NOTHING to you?
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 06:24 AM
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Don't patronise me please. I dont need to google answers. I am aware of 'miseo' and have previously looked at every time it comes up in the Hebrew text. I understand it's meaning.
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But from the way you talk, I don't think you do understand it yet. Not in context anyway.
And hey! What's wrong with google? I know people with PHDs coming out of their ears who still google stuff! No one is too good to use google!
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Look, it starts with double-whatever, then come the winks and arched eyebrows, and next thing you know people are texting photos of their tallywackers to each other. Does Leviticus 18:22 mean NOTHING to you?
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Hilarious! In my experience (having never texted photos of any tallywhatevers to anyone), this is entirely incorrect. If you are getting this from me asking for the (supposedly mythical) address of freehold, iowa - then you need to meet a few wo/men, drop a few double-entendre and see how far it gets you! (The answer is not very far).
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 06:58 AM
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But from the way you talk, I don't think you do understand it yet. Not in context anyway.
And hey! What's wrong with google? I know people with PHDs coming out of their ears who still google stuff! No one is too good to use google!
Hilarious! In my experience (having never texted photos of any tallywhatevers to anyone), this is entirely incorrect. If you are getting this from me asking for the (supposedly mythical) address of freehold, iowa - then you need to meet a few wo/men, drop a few double-entendre and see how far it gets you! (The answer is not very far).
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Why would I want to meet a "wo/men" (sic) ? I'm married, and I have no use for further interaction with them. They don't hunt, they can't use power tools, they shriek and cackle constantly, etc. etc. They are good for making meals and babies, and they're not even very good at that.
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12-28-2011, 07:28 AM
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Why would I want to meet a "wo/men" (sic) ? I'm married, and I have no use for further interaction with them. They don't hunt, they can't use power tools, they shriek and cackle constantly, etc. etc. They are good for making meals and babies, and they're not even very good at that.
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Amen Brother. I mean have you ever really had a decent intelligent conversation with a woman?
I think Paul knew this when he wrote,
1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
I wonder if this Audacity church ignores the Bible on this point? I think we all know the answer to that.
Maybe they think this is a misunderstanding of old English or they know better than the Bible?
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 09:08 AM
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Why would I want to meet a "wo/men" (sic) ? I'm married, and I have no use for further interaction with them. They don't hunt, they can't use power tools, they shriek and cackle constantly, etc. etc. They are good for making meals and babies, and they're not even very good at that.
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Haha! They are better than you at making babies, where are you going to pop one out from?
I'm going to assume you thought wo/men meant women (and not women or men as I intended-a joke about your sexual preference) and put it to you that you haven't been meeting any. Are you sure you are not thinking of witches? They are the only people I know that 'cackle'. Either that or you are meeting women i their 'later years'.
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 10:04 AM
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Haha! They are better than you at making babies, where are you going to pop one out from?
I'm going to assume you thought wo/men meant women (and not women or men as I intended-a joke about your sexual preference) and put it to you that you haven't been meeting any. Are you sure you are not thinking of witches? They are the only people I know that 'cackle'. Either that or you are meeting women i their 'later years'.
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I can assure you it has been many years since I've had a man's penis inside of me, thank you very much. That Ex-Gay medal ain't just window dressing.
As far as witches, well...
(Exodus 22:18) "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
(please obey local laws IAW 1 Peter 2:13-15)
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 05:20 PM
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I can assure you it has been many years since I've had a man's penis inside of me, thank you very much. That Ex-Gay medal ain't just window dressing.
As far as witches, well...
(Exodus 22:18) "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
(please obey local laws IAW 1 Peter 2:13-15)
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It is true, I wouldn't want to live with a witch. Can you imagine the colour scheme of the house?
Wow... you actually do have an ex-gay badge. Well done you? What can I have a badge for?
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 05:32 PM
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Rev. M. Rodimer:
If you read what I wrote, as a scientist I am taught to quote material from a source before I offer my opinion on the matter. I am sorry if this confused you. Continuing from what my mac defines a Christian to be, I added "However, I would say visit my church and experience it to discover what it really means to us."
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Anti-Kristian, why would you not read the BIBLE and learn what GOD says a Christian is?
Why would you go to a liberal, God-hating 'church' that tells you happy lies so you will keep coming back and putting money in the plate each week?
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It is difficult to word what a Christian is, but if you forced me into a concise opinion, I would say "Jesus' representatives on earth".
This means that we do what Jesus would have done, we act how Jesus would have acted and, most importantly, we love how Jesus would have loved. When I said that 'Christians are not being very Christian' I mean that I, personally, do not believe you are loving how Jesus would have loved.
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And exactly how would Jesus love?
Explain, in detail, since clearly you think you know.
Then back up your opinion of how you think Jesus would love with quotes. From Him, not from some Pastor Feelgood who tells you what you want to hear.
Bible boring? Nonsense!
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 05:50 PM
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Anti-Kristian, why would you not read the BIBLE and learn what GOD says a Christian is?
Why would you go to a liberal, God-hating 'church' that tells you happy lies so you will keep coming back and putting money in the plate each week?
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Wow! Love what you have done with my name there Anti-Rev. M. Rodimer. I don't think my church is liberal. Have you been? Yes I have read the bible, but the bible didn't explain it quite as concisely as the dictionary definition and only used as an introduction to what I thought.
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And exactly how would Jesus love?
Explain, in detail, since clearly you think you know.
Then back up your opinion of how you think Jesus would love with quotes. From Him, not from some Pastor Feelgood who tells you what you want to hear.
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Ok, lets play this fun game!
So, bible definition of love: 1 Corinthians 13 8-13. That's fairly standard.
Then we can add on 1 John 4:8. So pretty much meaning God imbues all these qualities.
And we don't really need to have a verse to say Jesus = God. Oh, what the heck - John 1:1.
I wanna see the argument against that logic! So when Jesus said, Love thy neighbour (Mark 12:31), he means to love everyone. Or at least treat everyone with the 1 cor. 13 values. So far I have not seen any patience, humility, honouring others and you are so easily angered (or so it would seem). This is probably the core of my argument as to why I see no True Christians™.
Wouldn't it be ironic if my pastor's last name was Feelgood? It isn't, but now I wish it was. Personally, I would prefer to hear I won the lottery if he was just going to tell me lies .
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12-28-2011, 06:48 PM
This Kristian fellow seems determined to lie to people to get them into his clutches by any means whatever. Sounds like a Catholic to me.
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12-28-2011, 06:55 PM
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This Kristian fellow seems determined to lie to people to get them into his clutches by any means whatever. Sounds like a Catholic to me.
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Haha, please tell me, where have I lied, and how has any of what I have said sounded like something a catholic would say?
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-28-2011, 09:10 PM
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Wow! Love what you have done with my name there Anti-Rev. M. Rodimer. I don't think my church is liberal. Have you been? Yes I have read the bible, but the bible didn't explain it quite as concisely as the dictionary definition and only used as an introduction to what I thought.
Ok, lets play this fun game!
So, bible definition of love: 1 Corinthians 13 8-13. That's fairly standard.
Then we can add on 1 John 4:8. So pretty much meaning God imbues all these qualities.
And we don't really need to have a verse to say Jesus = God. Oh, what the heck - John 1:1.
I wanna see the argument against that logic! So when Jesus said, Love thy neighbour (Mark 12:31), he means to love everyone. Or at least treat everyone with the 1 cor. 13 values. So far I have not seen any patience, humility, honouring others and you are so easily angered (or so it would seem). This is probably the core of my argument as to why I see no True Christians™.
Wouldn't it be ironic if my pastor's last name was Feelgood? It isn't, but now I wish it was. Personally, I would prefer to hear I won the lottery if he was just going to tell me lies .
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I'm truly wondering if you read the same Bible as I have. Was it the KJV 1611, or a satan-inspired translation?
Here is a useful link for the subject of who we´re supposed to love. You see? We're only supposed to love other Christians, not false monkey-worshipping satanists like you.
John 20:27: Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-29-2011, 12:20 AM
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These words, they do not mean what you think they mean.
First off, I did not quote a specific bible. You can choose to read those verses from any bible translation you wish. Although I would go with a more modern one that are more accurate that the KJV. Also, as 17th Century English is not spoken in the 21st century, and meanings of words have changed - this leads to much of the confusion I am sure you have encountered.
Here is a simple test to see if you should read KJV or a more modern version:
say the phrase "Ye Olde English Shoppe" out loud.
If you didn't pronounce it The old english shop, then you should stick to newer translations or get a historical english degree first. I think it'd be more important to get a less accurate bible (by your standards) but the meaning be more obvious, than leave it up to non-intellectual extremists to confuse it and poison the minds of others.
Again, I think you have got very confused in the whole 'love' matter. It takes you many verses to explain that Jesus meant that we should all hate everyone who you do not like, but a lot less for me to explain how the world should function; in peace.
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-29-2011, 12:58 AM
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Wow! Love what you have done with my name there Anti-Rev. M. Rodimer. I don't think my church is liberal. Have you been? Yes I have read the bible, but the bible didn't explain it quite as concisely as the dictionary definition and only used as an introduction to what I thought.
Ok, lets play this fun game!
So, bible definition of love: 1 Corinthians 13:8-13. That's fairly standard.
Then we can add on 1 John 4:8. So pretty much meaning God imbues all these qualities.
And we don't really need to have a verse to say Jesus = God. Oh, what the heck - John 1:1.
I wanna see the argument against that logic!
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What logic? You haven't even answered the question yet.
I asked you how Jesus loves. You said that God is love and Jesus is God. No argument there; if you'd ever read beyond this thread and your introduction thread, you'd see we agree.
Then you quoted Paul, not Jesus, to explain how Jesus loves. (Jesus didn't write 1 Corinthians, now did He? He didn't write the Gospels either, but they're the only place you'll find quotes from Him.)
That's not answering the question. Maybe you have issues with reading comprehension?
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So when Jesus said, Love thy neighbour (Mark 12:31), he means to love everyone.
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Really? How about you cruise through the KJV and check every use of the word 'neighbour'. Point out to me the many, many times it means 'everybody'.
I'll give you a hint: There are none. As in "not one".
Now, let me tell you how Jesus loves:
Jesus directs all to follow every bit of the Law, and explicitly states that those who fail to do so will not enter Heaven:
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Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Jesus also tells us that anyone who refuses to follow Him is condemned:
John 3:18 <-- hover your mouse over the link
Jesus also tells us that all non-Christians are evil; we know they are evil, He tells us, because they are non-Christians:
John 3:19-20
Does that sound like loving everybody?
Jesus shall divide those who followed Him as directed from those who did not; those who did not, He shall burn with fire for all eternity, whether they knew Him or not:
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Matthew 25:31-46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Does that still sound like loving everybody? That's eternally tormenting believers who did not behave charitably. So even believers can be burned alive in His Lake of Fire forever; just belief ain't enough.
He will also return in the Second Coming, with great plagues, and slaughter 1/3 of all mankind. Then resurrect all the dead, so He may torture them forever:
Revelation 20
Does that sound like loving everybody?
Now, what the heck, let's apply some basic logic.
You've asserted, quite correctly, that Jesus is God. Therefore, Jesus is responsible for the Old Testament laws. He also is the creator of Hell, the vast eternal lake of fire.
Yes?
He is also the creator of evil and the hater of Esau. Yes?
How is hating Esau equivalent to loving everyone? What did Esau do, anyway?
How is drowning all humans except Noah and family, and all animals except a handful on the ark, equivalent to loving everyone? Bear in mind that Noah spent 100 years building the ark, and the Bible gives no indication that he said a peep to neighbors about the coming deluge or God's wrath. Wouldn't a lesser display have converted and saved many people? How is slowly drowning them "love"?
Why is it you cannot accept that, as the Bible clearly says, God loves AND hates, that He creates good AND evil?
Omnibenevolence is NOT a Biblical concept. God loves only those who follow Him, and punishes all others eternally.
Bible boring? Nonsense!
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-29-2011, 01:05 AM
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What logic? You haven't even answered the question yet.
I asked you how Jesus loves. You said that God is love and Jesus is God. No argument there; if you'd ever read beyond this thread and your introduction thread, you'd see we agree.
Then you quoted Paul, not Jesus, to explain how Jesus loves. (Jesus didn't write 1 Corinthians, now did He? He didn't write the Gospels either, but they're the only place you'll find quotes from Him.)
That's not answering the question. Maybe you have issues with reading comprehension?
Really? How about you cruise through the KJV and check every use of the word 'neighbour'. Point out to me the many, many times it means 'everybody'.
I'll give you a hint: There are none. As in "not one".
Now, let me tell you how Jesus loves:
Jesus directs all to follow every bit of the Law, and explicitly states that those who fail to do so will not enter Heaven:
Jesus also tells us that anyone who refuses to follow Him is condemned:
John 3:18 <-- hover your mouse over the link
Jesus also tells us that all non-Christians are evil; we know they are evil, He tells us, because they are non-Christians:
John 3:19-20
Does that sound like loving everybody?
Jesus shall divide those who followed Him as directed from those who did not; those who did not, He shall burn with fire for all eternity, whether they knew Him or not:
Does that still sound like loving everybody?
He will also return in the Second Coming, with great plagues, and slaughter 1/3 of all mankind. Then resurrect all the dead, so He may torture them forever:
Revelation 20
Does that sound like loving everybody?
Now, what the heck, let's apply some basic logic.
You've asserted, quite correctly, that Jesus is God. Therefore, Jesus is responsible for the Old Testament laws. He also is the creator of Hell, the vast eternal lake of fire.
Yes?
He is also the creator of evil and the hater of Esau. Yes?
How is hating Esau equivalent to loving everyone?
How is drowning all humans except Noah and family, and all animals except a handful on the ark, equivalent to loving everyone?
Why is it you cannot accept that, as the Bible clearly says, God loves AND hates, that He creates good AND evil?
Omnibenevolence is NOT a Biblical concept. God loves only those who follow Him, and punishes all others eternally.
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You really have a stick up your ass on this subject don't ya - and I still don't agree with you.
Tell you what, lets just wager our souls on it. If I'm right, I go to heaven and you go to hell. If you're right, I'll go to hell, and you can have heaven. If neither of us is right... sucks to be us, eh?
Ps. Don't forget to pack a bathing suit for when you die. I heard it gets awful toasty down there!
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-29-2011, 04:34 AM
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You really have a stick up your ass on this subject don't ya - and I still don't agree with you.
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That's nice. Are you going to answer the question yet? Because so far you haven't.
How does Jesus love? With Scripture to support your assertions.
Bible boring? Nonsense!
Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
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12-29-2011, 05:52 AM
Have just had the strangest dream after reading this, in my dream i was informed by a talking sea turtle (that i just knew was god) that we should be careful of false prophets as satan could just as easily have a book compiled at his wish by gullable humans, i also got told that back in the day satan questioned mans morals and god argued that the important children of his were intellegent enough to make informed choices and had instilled right and wrong in us from birth and had much faith in us, satan didnt agree so proposed many tests to which god agreed.
HEAVY DREAM. So glad i have my eternal faith, this may have made me question things but no, i have my faith. (prob satan messing with me. huh-fool
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12-29-2011, 06:51 AM
Hello Every body!
okay so
scripture saying that the Lord Loves (these are from the top of my head) :
Romans 13:8 : Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
John 12:47 : And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 3:16 : For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
luke 15 , all of it about love
The Parable of the Lost Sheep, Lost coin, and The Lost son.
God himself suffered for our sins when our lord was crucified! and his love is vast! all people that sin aren't condemed yet! its only if they die in their sin that they are now sinners ...
God hates sin! not the sinners, if a sinner repents then god embraces him back into his flock and showers him with love!
but if that sinner never repents and ignore the message of our True GOD!
then all the wrath of the heavens will be bestowed upon him!!!!
God Bless us all!!!
Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!! -
12-29-2011, 06:56 AM
First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.
Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.
Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .
If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.
Please make a thread of your own in the " Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.
And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.
I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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