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Default Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 01-09-2009, 07:35 PM

If you have a tatoo, which God hates and will send you to Hell for, but you pray for forgiveness, but then die after praying for forgiveness, will you go to Hell? The tatoo is still there and God will hate it, yet you were forgiven, but that was before. Does the forgivness last forever, or should you get it removed, and then ask for forgiveness?


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5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 01-09-2009, 07:46 PM

Those are good questions. Laser removal is a popular option, and I suspect that the resulting scars are only one half as objectionable as the original tattoo.


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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 07:11 AM

I have scars from childhood mutilation. And I also have ink. Although I had not thought about others gods at the time or any god really for that matter, I have since confessed and repented for them. I have thought about having the one tat removed, but laser surgery is quite expensive - I'd much rather give in tithe or to charity. I always feel like a hypocrite talking to my children about not getting them when I myself have one.
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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 08:06 AM

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I have scars from childhood mutilation. And I also have ink. Although I had not thought about others gods at the time or any god really for that matter, I have since confessed and repented for them. I have thought about having the one tat removed, but laser surgery is quite expensive - I'd much rather give in tithe or to charity. I always feel like a hypocrite talking to my children about not getting them when I myself have one.
Enjoy Hell then I guess. You're not real clear on the Bible, are you?

Since I'm sure you haven't even read Leviticus, here's the relevant scripture.

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Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am The Lord.
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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 08:18 AM

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Enjoy Hell then I guess. You're not real clear on the Bible, are you?

Since I'm sure you haven't even read Leviticus, here's the relevant scripture.
This was when I was a "child" before I came to the Lord. I am familiar with the Scripture, and have since confessed and repented and became baptized three weeks ago. In accordance to James 5:16 I confessed a sinful thing I had done in the past, are you not righteous enough to pray for me? I'd appreciate a prayer! In all seriousness and with due respect, I couldn't haven't possibly of repented when I was not aware of Jesus Christ back then. All my sins have been forgiven: Colossians 1:14 and Acts 10:43 tell me that Jesus paid for my sins, and I haven't the need to keep repenting for the same sins over and over again. The time I had was sincere!

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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 08:19 AM

Yes, I read your request for advice regarding tatoos. Well obviously I'm not about to start giving advice or expressing opinions, however you referred to a video clip [below] in which some smirking sleazebag started spouting off about Hey, dude, well if youse gonna do that then I hope youse doin this too while himself failing to realise that he personified the very ignorance he was deriding.
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Shimei: Looking forward to hearing from you and receiving some Godly advice?

[EDIT: you have received the Godly advice from Pastor Flint - this post is a follow up for other parents]

I have a tattoo and regret it. And a family member has dozen, and now I'm looking at a young granddaughter that thinks them to be alright.... where does it stop?



Yes, God did make temporary provisions. The Tabernacle was an interim measure in between The Exodus from pharaonic Egypt and consecration of The Temple in Jerusalem. Animal sacrifice is another example, pending the Perfect Atonement we know in Jesus. Priests are another one - once essential, now obsolete. In every case God explains that the temporary arrangement has lapsed.

In the case of food (as in all other cases) God is clear when an interim restriction no longer applies.
I Corinthians 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat , asking no question for conscience sake: KJV
The unclean "foods" prohibited in Leviticus 19 referred to in that video have been declared clean.

Here is the whole passage:
Leviticus 19:23-29 And when ye shall come into the land, and shall have planted all manner of trees for food, then ye shall count the fruit thereof as uncircumcised: three years shall it be as uncircumcised unto you: it shall not be eaten of. But in the fourth year all the fruit thereof shall be holy to praise the LORD withal. And in the fifth year shall ye eat of the fruit thereof, that it may yield unto you the increase thereof: I am the LORD your God. Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness. KJV
There are a number of requirements in there, most of them ignored in the youtube clip. However they fall into two categories,
  1. requirements which are a part of God's Covenant itself
  2. behaviours relating to those who are within that Covenant
so in the first category are things like circumcision (something removed from the body), head pruning (something not to be removed from the body), clean and unclean foods (explicitly associated with circumcision).

But apart from matters directly relating to the Covenant itself, there are other more general prohibitions against such things as tattoos, scarification (things added to the body), prostitution and pimping.

THE NEW COVENANT
Luke 22:17-20 And [Jesus] took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. KJV
OLD COVENANT TERMINATED BY GOD
Luke 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. KJV
Jesus is the mediator of this new Covenant. Not some idea I just thought up but stated to be so in God's Inerrant word. This new dispensation still requires a priestly function however—but legalistic dolts need not apply. In fact no-one need apply. The Bible explains:
Hebrew 8:1b,6-7 We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;Now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. KJV
External indicators, such as circumcision or head pruning, are as obsolete as the lapsed Covenant.
GOD SAYS SO HERE
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
11-14 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
16 -17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. KJV


FOOD
Acts 10:9b-16a Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: KJV





PARENTS
I know many young women like to wear the tramp stamp. When daughters will come home demanding "oh I seen this cool ink youse can sign this consent form" you will understand that she's hanging around with brazen strumpets and probably with their pimps. When informed that "duh all that stuff's nailed 2 the cross it only refers to idols a million years ago like u no wen u woz a gurl?" (because your daughter has been on youtube listening to reinterpretations of Scripture from someone who hasn't actually read it) you will be able to sit her down and show her that yes, some things were Nailed To The Cross, but tattoos is not on the list. And neither is slutting, whoring, pimpimg evolving nor eating babies.

I know she will thank you.
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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 08:28 AM

MitzaLizalor your posts thoroughly amaze me. Thank you for taking the time to put this comprehensive post together. I'm going to use this to better equip me for the future.

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This was when I was a "child" before I came to the Lord. I am familiar with the Scripture, and have since confessed and repented and became baptized three weeks ago. In accordance to James 5:16 I confessed a sinful thing I had done in the past, are you not righteous enough to pray for me? I'd appreciate a prayer! In all seriousness and with due respect, I couldn't haven't possibly of repented when I was not aware of Jesus Christ back then. All my sins have been forgiven: Colossians 1:14 and Acts 10:43 tell me that Jesus paid for my sins, and I haven't the need to keep repenting for the same sins over and over again. The time I had was sincere!

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So, you think Jesus is just fine with stupid, God-mocking tattoos? Then why is Leviticus 19:28 still in the Bible? If God changed His mind as you claim, wouldn't He have just miracled all those old verses out of His Book? Of course He would have. And read this doofus, it makes it real gosh darned clear that the Old Testament laws are still intact.

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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Thank you for taking the time to put this comprehensive post together. I'm going to use this to better equip me for the future.

Thank you

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I didn't do anything. It's just Bible verses, the ones the inking expert didn't seem to be aware of. There's plenty more. The time element is illusory - I'm doing some painting and just post in between coats. If your tattoos offend you Jesus has explained the solution; I'm sure one of the Pastors would be happy to advise you.
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So, you think Jesus is just fine with stupid, God-mocking tattoo? Then why is Leviticus 19:28 still in the Bible? If God changed His mind as you claim, wouldn't He have just miracled all those old verses out of His Book? Of curse He would have. And read this doofus, it makes it real gosh darned clear that the Old Testament laws are still intact.
Never said otherwise Sir. I haven't a clue why you come down upon me so hard, I realize that Shimei received similar treatment from Solomon but this is a little ridiculous considering that I was made forum member yesterday and today have been revoked.

Anyhoot, Mr Portway. I take no offense and will pray for you!

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I thank you for your beloved Sons sacrifice. I confess my sins and in heart only you know whether I am sincere and truly have repented from my sinful lifestyle. I know that He came full of grace and in truth. I am thankful for the Christians that surround me, and these that have invited me into their family. In grace and in truth they stand upon the absolute of your Holy Word. And I thank you for the fingers that have put these posts together. I thank you for all of us who have been brought together in Jesus' name. I thank you and I praise you! Amen.

Mr Portway, tell you what. If you bless me I will leave this forum from this time forward. But I will not leave until you do bless me!

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Never said otherwise Sir. I haven't a clue why you come down upon me so hard, I realize that Shimei received similar treatment from Solomon but this is a little ridiculous considering that I was made forum member yesterday and today have been revoked.

Anyhoot, Mr Portway. I take no offense and will pray for you!

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I thank you for your beloved Sons sacrifice. I confess my sins and in heart only you know whether I am sincere and truly have repented from my sinful lifestyle. I know that He came full of grace and in truth. I am thankful for the Christians that surround me, and these that have invited me into their family. In grace and in truth they stand upon the absolute of your Holy Word. And I thank you for the fingers that have put these posts together. I thank you for all of us who have been brought together in Jesus' name. I thank you and I praise you! Amen.

Mr Portway, tell you what. If you bless me I will leave this forum from this time forward. But I will not leave until you do bless me!

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Listen pal, it's not me you have to worry about, it's God. You just don't seem to get that wanting to be Saved© and being Saved© are two different things. Until you follow the ENTIRE Bible to the letter, your just as Hellbound as a Muslim terrorist or a Catholic priest.

Maybe you should start by getting that tattoo removed. If you can't afford lazers or whatnot, maybe you should just cut off whatever part of your body it's on. Cutting off or gouging out offensive body parts has always been a Biblical solution to problems like yours.

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But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Matthew 18:5-9
And the first two verses there apply to your kids too. Jesus would sooner drown you than have you let your kids think tattoos are OK. You said you felt like a hypocrite about your "ink", right? Well step up to the plate son, chop off your arm for The Lord! Praise!




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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 09:42 PM

Thank you for your concern Capt. I realize that things like tattoos are not very beneficial, and I keep mine hidden for a reason, as I don’t want it to become a stumbling block to another.



I have a question, however, wondering whether God will put the tattoo back upon my arm when I am raised from the dead. Do you think He might also leave all the scars on my body? My question comes by way of 1 Corinthians 6:14. I understand that Jesus’ body was raised with scars. Will there be some transformation made to the body in between the present body and the body we receive in heaven? Will my body be made perfect – will that standard be an earthly standard, or rather will my body be of a certain age and certain physeec made in it’s prime or one that is unimaginable for the environment made in heaven? If I am given a new body made for heaven, will He put the tattoo on it?



I’m sincerely attempting to grasp what is being said here, wasn’t Jesus’ sacrifice sufficient enough to cover the sins of my past, or will a tattoo prevent it from occurring, and likewise will a work such as removing it guarantee my salvation thereafter?



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Thank you for your concern Capt. I realize that things like tattoos are not very beneficial, and I keep mine hidden for a reason, as I don’t want it to become a stumbling block to another.



I have a question, however, wondering whether God will put the tattoo back upon my arm when I am raised from the dead. Do you think He might also leave all the scars on my body? My question comes by way of 1 Corinthians 6:14. I understand that Jesus’ body was raised with scars. Will there be some transformation made to the body in between the present body and the body we receive in heaven? Will my body be made perfect – will that standard be an earthly standard, or rather will my body be of a certain age and certain physeec made in it’s prime or one that is unimaginable for the environment made in heaven? If I am given a new body made for heaven, will He put the tattoo on it?



I’m sincerely attempting to grasp what is being said here, wasn’t Jesus’ sacrifice sufficient enough to cover the sins of my past, or will a tattoo prevent it from occurring, and likewise will a work such as removing it guarantee my salvation thereafter?



Praise Him!!!
It utterly escapes me why you think you had the right to defile a work of God.

When Judgment day comes, those self defacing marks will be seen by all and the result will be expected. Do you really think covering up a tramp stamp is going to make it 'go away'? I have to wonder what other spitting in the Eyes of Jesus you have done hoping no one will notice.

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Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 10:58 PM

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Thank you for your concern Capt. I realize that things like tattoos are not very beneficial, and I keep mine hidden for a reason, as I don’t want it to become a stumbling block to another.



I have a question, however, wondering whether God will put the tattoo back upon my arm when I am raised from the dead. Do you think He might also leave all the scars on my body? My question comes by way of 1 Corinthians 6:14. I understand that Jesus’ body was raised with scars. Will there be some transformation made to the body in between the present body and the body we receive in heaven? Will my body be made perfect – will that standard be an earthly standard, or rather will my body be of a certain age and certain physeec made in it’s prime or one that is unimaginable for the environment made in heaven? If I am given a new body made for heaven, will He put the tattoo on it?



I’m sincerely attempting to grasp what is being said here, wasn’t Jesus’ sacrifice sufficient enough to cover the sins of my past, or will a tattoo prevent it from occurring, and likewise will a work such as removing it guarantee my salvation thereafter?




Praise Him!!!
You don't have to worry about any of that, as you'll be skewered on satan's prong like a suckling pig roasting in hellfire...or is your question hypothetical?
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It utterly escapes me why you think you had the right to defile a work of God.
At the time (30 years ago) I performed an unutterable escape from other pain. As a child I had taken a razor blade to an arm, I was seriously lost, and in an attempt to redirect the pain from another place performed some slashes/cuts that later required stitches. They run deep, and later I masked them with a tattoo. The scars are here to stay, and so is the tattoo, as it is a type (single) that would require laser pass over pass to remove, it expands in the most unpleasant way around the arm, and then there would be the scars to deal with.

There is no excuse for it. As I said, I have confessed and repented. Now I am left without an excuse from this time forward, but more so I am now looking forward to an appreciation of the fact that there are people here? or rather there that are attempting to rescue me from error, for Christ.

Anyhoot, take care people. I'll be leaving LandOver - last post.

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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-07-2013, 11:25 PM

My daughter got a tattoo once. I burnt it off witch a blowtorch
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At the time (30 years ago) I performed an unutterable escape from other pain. As a child I had taken a razor blade to an arm, I was seriously lost, and in an attempt to redirect the pain from another place performed some slashes/cuts that later required stitches. They run deep, and later I masked them with a tattoo. The scars are here to stay, and so is the tattoo, as it is a type (single) that would require laser pass over pass to remove, it expands in the most unpleasant way around the arm, and then there would be the scars to deal with.

There is no excuse for it. As I said, I have confessed and repented. Now I am left without an excuse from this time forward, but more so I am now looking forward to an appreciation of the fact that there are people here? or rather there that are attempting to rescue me from error, for Christ.

Anyhoot, take care people. I'll be leaving LandOver - last post.

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Typical.
You do not get told what you want to hear so you run off the the Pentacostals, expecting them to tell you "it is all ok, just sign here".
You have clearly spoken to God, told Him you hate His Work. Now you want Him to buy you dinner.
Friend, we want to Save you. But only if you honestly want to be Saved. Being Saved is not something you swing by WalMart to pick up. It is a lifetime of commitment and unerring devotion.


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At the time (30 years ago) I performed an unutterable escape from other pain. As a child I had taken a razor blade to an arm, I was seriously lost, and in an attempt to redirect the pain from another place performed some slashes/cuts that later required stitches. They run deep, and later I masked them with a tattoo. The scars are here to stay, and so is the tattoo, as it is a type (single) that would require laser pass over pass to remove, it expands in the most unpleasant way around the arm, and then there would be the scars to deal with.

There is no excuse for it. As I said, I have confessed and repented. Now I am left without an excuse from this time forward, but more so I am now looking forward to an appreciation of the fact that there are people here? or rather there that are attempting to rescue me from error, for Christ.

Anyhoot, take care people. I'll be leaving LandOver - last post.

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I don't think you understand what the Brothers here are trying to tell you.

Yes you have been forgiven for the sin of getting a tattoo IF you are truly repentant. Making excuses for why to keep the tattoo doesn't sound repentant, and that's why the Brothers feel that you're falling down.

Confession is a Catholic thing, True Christians™ REPENT (Matthew 3:8 , Mark 1:15 , Luke 13:3 ), get BAPTIZED (Mark 1:8 , Mark 16:16 , Acts 2:28 ) and SIN NO MORE (John 5:14 , John 8:11 , Hebrews 10:17-19 )

Now you haven't truly repented because instead of removing your sins from your body, you're making excuses (it's too expensive, it's to cover up embarrassing scars, etc), I've looked at the church you belong to and it seems to be one of the fuzziest of bunny churches out there, and you're still sinning by continuing to carry those marks.

You can get dermabrasion treatment for scaring. People get it all the time for acne scars, and a friend of mine got it for a wrist scar that people continually mistook for a suicide attempt. Perhaps Dermabrasion would remove the tattoo as well, I don't know, but it would be cheaper than lasers. It's basically taking a sand blaster to the skin.

But instead of looking into things like this, you're making excuses as to why you should be able to keep your tattoos. Then you wonder why the Brothers question your dedication to God and the Bible?


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Default Re: Tatoos, piercings, wounded stones, etc.. - 03-11-2013, 11:15 AM

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. KJV


So if the bit of flesh with the tattoo is crucified with Christ then would removing it constitute "cuttings in your flesh for the dead"?

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