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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 02-19-2014, 09:32 AM

This is change under the sofa cushions for the Roman institution.

Archdiocese to settle priest abuse cases for $13M
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles will pay $13 million to settle 17 clergy abuse lawsuits, including 11 that involve a visiting Mexican priest who fled prosecution and remains a fugitive more than 25 years later, plaintiffs' attorneys said Tuesday.

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The archdiocese settled more than 500 cases in 2007 for a record $660 million and has resolved numerous others since then, individually and in small groups.

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Those files show that [former Archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal] Mahony and other top archdiocese officials maneuvered behind the scenes to shield accused priests and protect the church from a growing scandal while keeping parishioners in the dark. The cardinal was publicly rebuked by his successor, Archbishop Jose Gomez, after the files were publicized.


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 06-03-2014, 11:34 AM

The Roman institution demonstrates yet again that shame is a foreign concept.

When is a priest not a priest? When he's molesting a child, diocese says in defense of lawsuit
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Yet McAlinden wasn’t officially a priest when he took a teenage Naples to Delaware, the lawyer argued.

“How do we determine when a priest is and is not on duty?” one of the justices asked, according to a video of the session on the court’s website.

“Well,” replied the diocese lawyer, “you can determine a priest is not on duty when he is molesting a child, for example. ... A priest abusing a child is absolutely contrary to the pursuit of his master’s business, to the work of a diocese.”

The statement — one prong of the diocese’s argument that it should not be held responsible for McAlinden’s alleged assaults — left Naples reeling.

"Any hope I had that the church was concerned about me as a victim or about the conduct of its priests was totally gone," Naples, now 42, said in a recent interview. "They were washing their hands of it. I was shattered. I just couldn’t believe that was one of their arguments."


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 06-04-2014, 01:22 AM

Just an iteration of the Ellis defence. Papist responses may be viewed here.

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§ There is no such thing as the "Ellis defence". The Ellis decision did not create new law. It did not create a shield to protect church parties from legal action. Church parties can and have been sued.
The Ellis defence does not refer to any new category of law, but rather to an effective response by the church to a claim brought by Ellis. He lost. They won. They were defending. That is the Ellis defence. vide infra

§ After Mr Ellis lost his court case, he received several hundred thousand dollars in financial assistance from the Archdiocese. In addition, the body corporate of the Archdiocese did not require Mr Ellis to pay its costs of the case – even though the court had ordered Mr Ellis to do so.
O niggardly Ellis. O magnanimous Pell.

§ The suggestion that the Church cannot be sued by victims of sexual abuse is incorrect.
A particularly cynical response since anyone may go to law over any matter regardless of whether their case is likely to succeed or certain to be thrown out. What was made clear in this particular case was that an Australian court does not have jurisdiction over an entity based in the Vatican, that the Vatican entity does not have "branches" and that local dioceses do not own property. The diocese consists of the people living in it only and any lawsuit brought would be against them, or maybe a oriest (who does not own anything) in effect meaning that damages awarded would come out of the collection plate and not from sale of assets (because gold crosses, gilded altars, church buildings, assorted mansions and so on are not assets of the diocese).

§ Church officials and Church entities responsible for abuse in the Church either directly or by their negligence can be and are sued.
A good example being Cardinal Pell. He was sued by Ellis. Ellis lost. In other words the Cardinal was not an official or entity responsible for abuse in the Church either directly or by his negligence.

§ Ellis stands for nothing more than the commonsense proposition that you cannot be liable for wrong doing of others unless you are directly or indirectly responsible for supervising their conduct.
Or in commonsensespeak priests are unsupervised and forbidding them to marry does not constitute indirect responsibility.

§ The Archdiocese of Sydney has not organised its affairs to avoid its responsibilities to victims.
No, the international labyrinth has.

§ The Catholic Church is not like a corporation with one basic structure for its activities.
Yes, that's the whole point of the Ellis defence.

§ Where liability or potential liability is clear the Archdiocese accepts responsibility and seeks to resolve the complaint.
It has always been clear that where archdioceses are involved nothing will ever be clear, especially not liability.

§ The Church is strongly committed to helping victims of abuse and where responsibility is clear, the Archdiocese of Sydney seeks to resolve claims out of court.
Yes, they do like the expression "where responsibility is clear" and although claims might be resolved out of court from time to time should the in court option be taken more funds are available for lawyers than would ever be lavished on out of court settlements.

§ Most importantly, the Archdiocese of Sydney is committed to ensuring victims are treated justly and with compassion and respect.
Ellis is educated in Law. He was interviewed recently. There is a legal meaning for the expression novel use. Archdiocesan invokation of the words compassion and respect constitutes novel use by any commonsense definition of those words. But we're not really talking commonsense here, are we. This is law. Big Law with a budget of trillions, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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_Transcript 11 March 2014 http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s3960863.htm
In a statement to the Royal Commission, Cardinal George Pell says he's troubled by the way that case was handled.
He says it's his view that the Church should be able to be sued in cases of that kind.
Father Frank Brennan is a professor of law at the Australian Catholic University:

FRANK BRENNAN: It's heartening to see that at the top leadership of the Catholic Church in Australia, in relation to a case where Cardinal Pell himself was involved as the Archbishop of Sydney while this litigation was playing itself out, it would seem that in hindsight he's saying, "We've got to be able to do better than that." And I think that's good news for everyone.
Whizz for Atoms (and Cardinal Pell). Cardinals belong to a very high order of self-aggrandisement. Their insight must far exceed mine and indeed my commonsense appreciation of language, a commonsense they have promoted vide supra §5, must be especially deficient. "We've got to be able to do better than that" suggests some underlying desire, unfulfilled.

In my delusion, the one I mistake for commonsense, underlying desires produce present actions. Actions such as instructing lawyers to crush this worm and don't spare the horses. And "good news for everyone" means glad tidings for more than just the Vatican bank. Yes, mine is a confused and blurry vista. Let's take another look at how the current grand fromage from that august bank acted out the earnest desire to do better than he did:

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_updated 28 March 2014 (same link as at top of page)
Cardinal George Pell (as head of the Sydney Catholic archdiocese) instigated the archdiocese's legal battle against the former altar boy John Ellis, according to evidence and documents presented to Australia's child-abuse Royal Commission in March 2014. Pell's legal victory in 2007 (known as the "Ellis defence") now forces church-victims to accept a discounted in-house "Towards Healing" settlement instead of suing for proper compensation, the Commission was told.
That's some serious commonsense right there. What was his reward?

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_Updated 25 Feb 2014 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-25/george-pell-named-as-head-of-vatican-finances/5281300
"The Holy Father today announced a new coordination structure for economic and administrative affairs of the Holy See and the Vatican State," it said in a statement.

The Vatican said the move followed recommendations made by cardinals advising the Pope, including for a "more formal commitment" to international standards.

The changes "will ensure better use of resources, improving the support available for various programs, particularly our works with the poor," it said.

It is seen as a plum posting for Cardinal Pell, who will relocate to the Vatican by the end of next month.

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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 06-10-2014, 05:24 PM

And the "Worst Liar" award goes to....

St. Louis Archbishop Didn't Know Sex With Children Was a Crime
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The St. Louis Archbishop embroiled in a sexual abuse scandal testified last month that he didn’t know in the 1980s whether it was illegal for priests to have sex with children, according to a court deposition released Monday.

Archbishop Robert Carlson, who was chancellor of the Archdiocese of Minneapolis and St. Paul at the time, was deposed as part of a lawsuit against the Twin Cities archdiocese and the Diocese of Winona, Minnesota.

In a video released by the St. Paul law firm Jeff Anderson & Associates, the Catholic archbishop is asked whether he had known it was a crime for an adult to engage in sex with a child.

“I’m not sure whether I knew it was a crime or not,” Carlson responded. “I understand today it’s a crime.”

When asked when he first realized it was a crime for an adult — including priests — to have sex with a child, Carlson, 69, shook his head.

“I don’t remember,” he testified.


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 06-11-2014, 05:46 AM

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Of course he didn't .It's long been a "teaching" in the Catlick Church that exercize and entertainment comes from the weekly kidnapping and Public Spanking of our precious True Christian™ Youth. (See news photos, below.) After that little rite's over, it follows it's open season on EVERYTHING!

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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 07-03-2014, 12:13 PM

Why settle for being a sodomite (Romans 1:26-27) when you can be both a sodomite and a hypocrite (Matthew 7:1-5)?

Sodomaniac "news" source (please rebuke the demons of queeritude before clicking):
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The Roman Catholic archbishop of Minneapolis and St. Paul, who has been particularly outspoken against homosexuality, is under investigation for allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct with other men, including priests and seminarians, reports Catholic magazine Commonweal.

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Nienstedt issued a statement calling the accusations a “personal attack against me due to my unwavering stance on issues consistent with church teaching, such as opposition to so-called same-sex marriage.” He elaborated in an interview with Commonweal, saying, “I have never engaged in sexual misconduct and certainly have not made any sexual advances toward anyone. The allegations are a decade old or more, prior to my service as archbishop of St. Paul and Minneapolis.” He added that “none of the allegations involve minors or illegal or criminal behavior.”
Shorter Archbishop Nienstedt: "I didn't do it, it was a long time ago, and it didn't involve minors."


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 07-13-2014, 03:59 PM

HOT FROM THE PRESS!

The Pope has announced that only 2% of catholic priests are pedophiles. If this is true (which I doubt) then it is a lot less than we thought. Do you think what he means is that only 2% of them have so far been proved to be pedos?

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The Pope has announced that only 2% of catholic priests are pedophiles. If this is true (which I doubt) then it is a lot less than we thought. Do you think what he means is that only 2% of them have so far been proved to be pedos?



What do you suppose that means, exactly?

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Most baffling.

I surmise the only answer - IF THESE STATISTICS ARE NOT FAKE - is that the 2% represents those cat lick clergy that enter their false priesthood because of the ample supply of raw catamite material - altar boys - available at cat lick seminaries. The remainding 98% turn homerpedophiles because of the Satanic influences provided by the cat lick teachings. Thus, by the time the originally straight or adult homer -oriented cat lick false priests enter their working life they are also ready to enter their young victims rectally.

Thus, the 2% is the proportion of pedophiles that enter the semennary. 100% is the proportion that enters boys when they exit.

As to the pope's vowing

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Why settle for being a sodomite (Romans 1:26-27) when you can be both a sodomite and a hypocrite (Matthew 7:1-5)?

Sodomaniac "news" source (please rebuke the demons of queeritude before clicking):Shorter Archbishop Nienstedt: "I didn't do it, it was a long time ago, and it didn't involve minors."
What a horrid act! That must be part of the reason the catylicks are going to hell. Their own leaders cannot keep themselves from their follower's buttocks. Disgusting.


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 08-24-2014, 01:30 PM

The Roman institution is trying to keep a kiddy-fiddler from being tried in the country where he committed his crimes.

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SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic — He was a familiar figure to the skinny shoeshine boys who work along the oceanfront promenade here. Wearing black track pants and a baseball cap pulled low over his balding head, they say, he would stroll along in the late afternoon and bring one of them down to the rocky shoreline or to a deserted monument for a local Catholic hero.

The boys say he gave them money to perform sexual acts. They called him “the Italian” because he spoke Spanish with an Italian accent.

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But far from settling the matter, the Vatican has stirred an outcry because it helped Mr. Wesolowski avoid criminal prosecution and a possible jail sentence in the Dominican Republic. Acting against its own guidelines for handling abuse cases, the church failed to inform the local authorities of the evidence against him, secretly recalled him to Rome last year before he could be investigated, and then invoked diplomatic immunity for Mr. Wesolowski so that he could not face trial in the Dominican Republic.
But the Roman institution may have overplayed its hand, since people in that majority Catholic country are finally seeing the mother of harlots and abominations for who she really is:
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The case has shaken this stalwart Catholic nation, but the church has said little. In one group photograph released by the Dominican bishops, Mr. Wesolowski’s face appeared to have been removed from the picture.

“The people used to say, ‘I want my child to go to a Catholic church,’ ” said the Rev. Rogelio Cruz, a Catholic priest here. “Now they say, ‘No child of mine is ever going to a Catholic church.’ ”
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Apparently, Mystery Babylon has her spinmeisters on the case.

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VATICAN CITY — The Vatican countered media reports that it protected a former nuncio who faces sex abuse charges through diplomatic immunity, saying instead that the Holy See acted justly and swiftly in the case.

Father Federico Lombardi, director of Holy See Press Office, stated that former apostolic nuncio to the Dominican Republic Josef Wesolowski — following charges and a guilty verdict of sexual misconduct — has been removed from his post as nuncio, and thus no longer has diplomatic immunity.

The former nuncio may “be subjected to judicial procedures from the courts that could have specific jurisdiction over him” in the Dominican Republic, Father Lombardi said in an Aug. 25 statement.
We'll see how much the Roman institution actually cooperates, though:
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Wesolowski’s penal trial before Vatican authorities will begin after the appeal is considered and the canonical sentence is definite. The Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith also needs to complete the verification of the charges levied against him.
If I may shift gears, a GRID-infected priest in Ohio is on trial for trying to put the make on an undercover park ranger.

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A judge in Cleveland has ruled that the trial of a priest charged under an HIV criminalization law can go forward, despite the defense attorney's arguments that the law is based on outdated medical information.

Reverend James McGonegal, former pastor of St. Ignatius of Antioch Church, is charged with a felony for allegedly soliciting sex from an undercover park ranger last October without telling his prospective partner that he is HIV-positive. McGonegal’s defense attorney, Henry Hilow, contended.


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 09-26-2014, 12:20 PM

Usually, I'd applaud a rebuke of "married" sodomites even by a cult as blatantly false as the Roman institution, but in this case, something about motes, beams, and eyes applies.

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In the latest example, Minneapolis–St. Paul archbishop John Nienstedt has demanded the resignation of Jamie Manzi-Moore, music director at St. Victoria Catholic Church in Victoria, Minn., reports Twin Cities TV station WCCO. Manzi-Moore, who married his partner, Garrett, last weekend, said he would comply with the request and expected to turn in his resignation today.

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In Minnesota, Nienstedt has been a controversial archbishop. He has been accused of making unwelcome sexual advances to other men and of mishandling sexual abuse allegations against priests in the archdiocese. He has denied the first claim, and on the second, has said he never knowingly covered up sexual abuse by priests under his supervision, although he may have been too trusting of his colleagues.


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 09-26-2014, 12:59 PM

Let's be honest, if you allow male parishioners named "Jamie" you're begging for trouble. It just goes to show that the papists disregard 1 Corinthians 6:9 entirely.



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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 09-28-2014, 11:11 PM

It seems that ol' Joe was a busy boy. If only he had spent that time becoming a True Christian™ and praising Jesus.

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ROME - Monsignor Józef Wesołowski kept a secret archive on a computer at the Santo Domingo nunciature. The 66-year-old Polish former archbishop, arrested three days ago for paedophilia by Vatican gendarmes at the order of Pope Francis, had more than 100,000 files containing pornographic photos and videos. Some were downloaded from internet and others the victims themselves were forced to take. The prelate stored part of this chamber of horrors on his own laptop. Images show youngsters aged between 13 and 17 being humiliated for the camera, filmed naked and forced to have sexual relations with each other or with adults.

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When he was brought before prosecutors to be served with a detention order last Tuesday, Wesołowski said he wanted to make a statement: “I can clear my position and explain the mistake”.
Oh, yeah, I am so sure he can.


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Arrested by "Vatican gendarmes?" Are those the Swiss guys in the gay-themed hammer pants? Because, even at 66, I think I'd be able to outrun some homo carrying a halbard and wearing a feather boa for a helmet:



The Pope probably didn't even arrest him for child porn. I think he was arrested for refusing to share his stash with the other priests.


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Now here's something I'll bet you didn't expect: A Romanist fish head had affairs with two grown women.

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A leading bishop who has resigned in shame over an affair said last night that he was ‘relieved’ the secret was out.

Kieran Conry, the Roman Catholic Bishop of Arundel and Brighton, confessed on Saturday to being an ‘unfaithful’ priest.

He also stands accused of a second affair with a married parishioner 20 years his junior, who spent at least three nights at his home.

Last night, Catholic Church leaders were accused of a cover-up, with a lawyer saying they have ‘known for years that the bishop has been having affairs’.

The lawyer is representing the husband of a 43-year-old parishioner to whom the bishop had become close, and claimed he was considering a possible High Court action against church chiefs.
Of course, if the Roman institution ever bothered following the Bible, Conry would have one wife (1 Timothy 3:2) rather than multiple mistresses. Still, the mother of harlots and abominations shows yet again that she cannot be bothered to live up to her own teachings (Matthew 7:2) and that her fruits mark her as a false church (Matthew 7:15-20).


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Now here's something I'll bet you didn't expect: A Romanist fish head had affairs with two grown women.

From The Daily Fail:Of course, if the Roman institution ever bothered following the Bible, Conry would have one wife (1 Timothy 3:2) rather than multiple mistresses. Still, the mother of harlots and abominations shows yet again that she cannot be bothered to live up to her own teachings (Matthew 7:2) and that her fruits mark her as a false church (Matthew 7:15-20).
Frankly I'm surprised the people he was having sex with were adults, what with being a priest, and all.

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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 05-11-2015, 05:48 AM

What is the best phrase in this piece that already has "Vatican Orgies" in its headline?

Quote:
• "a gay lobby in the heart of the Holy See"
• "orgies with Swiss Guards and Roman priests"
• "celibacy-challenged prelates start snooping"
• "screenshots of the priest"
• "a little black book for anyone who might be interested in gay sex with priests"
• "the errant priest"
• "allegedly asks Baldon if he knows any young 17-year-old men who are 'thin and well endowed'"
• "the pinnacle when it comes to priestly peccadilloes"
• "the priest was nude and visibly excited with the camera"
• "His fantasy was that I was Judas Iscariot and, since I had betrayed Jesus, I had to pay the price by becoming his slave"
Leads to Link: A Gay Sex Harassment Case Gives a Glimpse of Vatican Orgies


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Default Re: Roman Catholic sex scandal of the day - 05-11-2015, 08:50 AM

I, for one, never bought into the gays claiming they were "born that way" - it never made any sense. Since they don't reproduce they wound never be able to pass along their affliction.

Now we find out that the Vatican is about as well organized as an Al-Qaeda / ISIS training camp, and has been turning them out since at least the Third Century. And there is no wonder that the Crusades were not completely effective at dealing with the mooselimb problem.

Hopefully, the next president will be a Godly Republican and will do something about it. Someone needs to ask Mike Huckabee if he would be willing to send drone strikes against the Vatican.


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