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Prayer Death is Better than CPR - Prepare for Your Next Stroke, Coronary Event or Asphyxiation NOW! - 07-29-2014, 03:29 PM

God Created us (Genesis 1:27). God decided at the moment or our conception the numbers of our days.

Job 14:5 tells us: "Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass." Psalms 31:15 confirms: "My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me." God knows how long it is good for each and every one of us to live. It is blasphemy to oppose God, to commit suicide, to diminish the days dictated by OUR LORD; or to try to have additional days, to prolong life in an unnatural manner by the means of sickular medicine or science. The Bible proves this:

Matthew 4:7 "Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
1 Timothy 6:20-21 "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen."

Amen! Verily! AMEN!

Now, I lead a life that is consuming. I know this, it is for the good of my mission, it is my contribution to Jesus. I stress over false Christians heading towards damnation, I worry about disgusting homers who fail to hear the Call of Christ. I eat the hearty steaks fried in Godly butter that my wife prepares me. All this is strenuous and consuming exercise. This means that any day now, the most glorious thing imaginable can happen - a stroke, cardiac arrest, or a burst aneurysm! Or an accident. Or my sometimes more playful and imaginative ways of performing marital duties can lead to asphyxiation. Death. Glorious death. Path to God, to Jesus, to salvation.

No more.

The society has prepared a trap for all True Christians™ who collapse while spreading Gospel in public places, on the streets, in a Church. It is called Cardio Pulmonary Resuscitation or CPR. It consists of applying pressure on the bare chest and of exhaling once-breathed stale air through the mouth into the lungs of the (unconscious) victim. Lips kissing.



The image contains direct orders for sodomy, as expected. The authorities no longer even attempt to conceal the actual goal: Losing souls for Satan by the devious claim of "saving lives". Obviously, rectal demons can enter the patient's mouth and from there it is a rollercoaster ride to the anatomical location of sodomy.



Women! You are not safe, either. Also the cunning demons of Lingus can be transmitted through CPR.



Nor is the patient safe if the person administering CPR is of the opposite sex! In this case, the sins of adultery, extramarital sex and fornication are the inevitable outcomes.



Another potentially special case: children! They are obviously not saved as they cannot repent their sins until old enough (Acts 8:36-37). Thus, one could claim that it would be beneficial to let them grow and, perhaps, hear the Call of Jesus and gain Salvation.



However, for each person saved there are thousands, probably millions that remain in their private false fornicatory bliss and corrupt also the souls of everyone else around them. This means that it is much better to let also unsaved children and infants to die than to oppose God's plan and apply CPR. In addition, as evidenced by these images, children inevitably get fondled and abused by their "helpers" during CPR - a fate even worse than certain death and eternity in Hell. Also, CHILDREN MUST NEVER ADMINISTER CPR to others. Infants, toddlers and children are unsaved, lusty little creatures sure to contain loads of demons ready to enter the Christian bloodstream and intestine!

Thirdly: the risk of Bestiality (Exodus 22:19). Nowadays they administer these CPR procedures on unclean animals, too
. This alone proves that - unless administered by True Christians™ free of sin, these practices must be BANNED! Regardless of your position (patient or helper) you must help only fellow Believers to avoid the transfer of fornicatory spirits.

And, better still, this is a win-win situation! A sinner destined to damnation and HELL only loses a few short years of his/her life that would have been filled with opposing the Works of God anyway. These few years are NOTHING compared to eternity. And during the last fleeting seconds of Earthly consciousness the sinner may have REPENTED. We MUST NOT TAKE that away! As for the True Christian™, Death is not a LOSS but a GAIN. The one exception is missionary work, for which is can be necessary for the True Christian™ to remain in his material body a bit longer. In this case CPR is highly recommended. The same goes for a True Christian™ wife, whose Godly husband is spreading the Gospel: She must remain living to provide continuing services (dinners, clean clothes, marital duties) to the husband.


WHAT TO DO?

All this can be complicated. At the moment of cardiac arrest, one can sometimes experience slight anxiety and feel oneself under a lot of pressure. It is not necessarily very easy to remember all this and make an informed decision to ask for CPR or not. And sometimes a True Christian™ observes a collapsed sinner and ponders if he should "help" the victim. For these emergency situations it is best to have only a few clear guidelines on how to act. I've prepared a short memo for A) those who observe a sinner in cardiac arrest and B) for those who experience a loss of vital bodily functions themselves.
A) What to do if you are asked to administer CPR?

1. Pray fervently and loudly. Usually this keeps you from hearing the pleads of the victim and, in my experience, many people avoid you during this. Some handy and comforting verses:
Luke 20:36 "Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."
Romans 6:5 "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection."
1 Corinthians 15:12 "Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?"
2. Panic and continue praying. This will usually clear off any bystanders.
3. If someone else starts to administer CPR, you can try to fight him off by reciting the above verses. In addition, try healing by prayer. If Jesus wishes to save the person, you can help in a much more efficient manner by prayer. Numbers 12:13 "And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee. "

B) What to do if you collapse and someone wants to administer CPR to YOU?

1. Check credentials. If you're conscious, this is easy. Ask if the person is saved, his opinions on homers, etc. It'll only take a minute, and your brain can last that long without oxygenated blood. You can prolong this phase (if in doubt about the person) by coughing violently. Coughing increases the pressure within the thoracic cavity, compresses the heart and gains you a few extra seconds of consciousness.
2. You might unfortunately be unconscious and unable to interview the wannabe helper. Some people have Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) tattooed on their chests for these emergencies. DO NOT DO THAT. It is forbidden! (Leviticus 19:28). Better to have a handy card (below) that states your preferences regarding the qualities of the person who is about to help you.
3. If the helper is an unsaved person, you can safely put your life in the hands of Jesus, who can heal you if your mission on Earth is still unfinished (Matthew 13:15).
Of course, all this is irrelevant if a True Christian™ is there to help you. For mouth-to-mouth I would recommend an ex-homer as the ideal candidate. For asphyxiation during conjugal relations, the True Christian™ spouse is usually there to administer the treatment.

I've prepared a handy card to keep by my person at all times. If you're conscious, you can hand it to the potential helper, if you've lost consciousness, you can keep it printed on your undergarments or in your breast pocket where anyone can find it easily (see my signature for the card!).

To conclude, a rhyme to help you remember what to do, what to avoid!

Resurrection - YES, resuscitation - NO!
Intensive prayer - YES, Intensive care - DO NOT GO!
Saving souls is OK, saving lives is NO WAY!
CPR - NO NO NO, JCR - to Him we GO!

Ecclesiastes 3:2 "A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted"


Yours in Christ,

Elmer


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Default Re: Death is Better than CPR - Prepare for Your Next Stroke, Coronary Event or Asphyxiation NOW! - 07-29-2014, 08:29 PM

Brother Elmer,
You are describing the worst day in a True Christians life! There you are all conscience thought leaves you and you see that promised beautiful light is calling you. There at the end of this glowing tunnel you see Jesus standing there , arms suspended calling you home! THEN out of nowhere somebody sucker punches you in the center of your chest and Jesus fades away, hopefully as disappointed as you. It just isn't fair.

Over the last few years I have given more and more thought to that great day when my Lord and Savior doesn't recede waiting to take me home. I would have had that ''Do not disturb/ Do not resuscitate'' tattooed across my chest except for that well known verse Leviticus 19:28 isthere to stop me. Then I considered writing my last will there with indelible markers. That is close to me trying to fool our lord, that just wouldn't do. My temporary fix is a lanyard around my neck with a folded sheet of paper with my wishes written on it. This is hanging on the lanyard by a couple of alligator clips. To be honest I am always losing my hanging note and having to replace it.
I have begun to work up an alternative where I will be carrying your well designed instruction card. You know those plastic sleeves for pictures? I want one attached to hold this important document. What I need to know is there any glue that I could use to permanently attach the holder? This way I won't lose it and it will be seen anytime it is needed. Can anyone give me suggestions?
Yours in Christ,
Benedict A. Davis


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Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
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Default Re: Death is Better than CPR - Prepare for Your Next Stroke, Coronary Event or Asphyxiation NOW! - 07-30-2014, 02:16 AM

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You are describing the worst day in a True Christians life! There you are all conscience thought leaves you and you see that promised beautiful light is calling you. There at the end of this glowing tunnel you see Jesus standing there , arms suspended calling you home! THEN out of nowhere somebody sucker punches you in the center of your chest and Jesus fades away, hopefully as disappointed as you. It just isn't fair.

Over the last few years I have given more and more thought to that great day when my Lord and Savior doesn't recede waiting to take me home. I would have had that ''Do not disturb/ Do not resuscitate'' tattooed across my chest except for that well known verse Leviticus 19:28 isthere to stop me. Then I considered writing my last will there with indelible markers. That is close to me trying to fool our lord, that just wouldn't do. My temporary fix is a lanyard around my neck with a folded sheet of paper with my wishes written on it. This is hanging on the lanyard by a couple of alligator clips. To be honest I am always losing my hanging note and having to replace it.
I have begun to work up an alternative where I will be carrying your well designed instruction card. You know those plastic sleeves for pictures? I want one attached to hold this important document. What I need to know is there any glue that I could use to permanently attach the holder? This way I won't lose it and it will be seen anytime it is needed. Can anyone give me suggestions?
Yours in Christ,
Benedict A. Davis
Dear Brother,

Never thought of a lanyard myself. What an idea worthy of Jesus! What about laminating the paper? That would make it resistant to moisture, as at least I can sweat quite heavily while spreading the Gospel on a hot summer's day. There are nifty machines available for this lamination.



As for the glue if you go for that option. Because it is not in my opinion quite proper to advertise the products of secular companies, I can only give you some hints of a glue that is very reliable and, as far as I know, manufactured by an American company that has not persecuted Christian customers in an overt manner. If you study the following image very carefully, you'll probably get my suggestion. Please, PM me if in doubt.




The product is based on a story of a HETEROSEXUAL bovine family and the molecular structure of the product is not suggestive of fornication. However, I'll stop purchasing it if it proves ungodly.



Yours in Christ,

Elmer


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Default Re: Death is Better than CPR - Prepare for Your Next Stroke, Coronary Event or Asphyxiation NOW! - 07-30-2014, 03:14 AM

Even the linemen do it. The CPR is pure sodomy if you ask me!



Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Death is Better than CPR - Prepare for Your Next Stroke, Coronary Event or Asphyxiation NOW! - 07-30-2014, 09:13 AM

Pastor, what a disgusting image, but I hope it alerts all Christians to the risk of losing SALVATION just at the crucial moment of release from our Earthly bounds!

When I planned this post I had at my disposal some very disturbing material but I did not initially dare post it. Now I think it is perhaps for the best of all True Christians™ to see what we're dealing with...



An open call to become a puffter. And this is supposed to be educational!

Also, remember King Asa! He trusted the judgment of physicians and died, probably in a demonic sorry state. Had he only trusted prayer...

2 Chronicles 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

Yours in Christ,

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Default Re: Death is Better than CPR - Prepare for Your Next Stroke, Coronary Event or Asphyxiation NOW! - 07-30-2014, 08:49 PM

I'd rather die and rot in the fiery pits of Hell's Fire than risk losing eternal salvation with Jesus by having some liberal do-gooder perform CPR on ME!!


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God Created us (Genesis 1:27). God decided at the moment or our conception the numbers of our days.

Job 14:5 tells us: "Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass." Psalms 31:15 confirms: "My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me." God knows how long it is good for each and every one of us to live. It is blasphemy to oppose God, to commit suicide, to diminish the days dictated by OUR LORD; or to try to have additional days, to prolong life in an unnatural manner by the means of sickular medicine or science. The Bible proves this rest of the post.



Yours in Christ,

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As you can see here, man has FORFEITED the Earth!!! Man is a ruined and destroyed creation that has absolutely no business at all whatsoever living on this Earth at all! When God creates something, He expects it to be absolutely perfect! Spotless, without wrinkle, and without blemish. When something God creates becomes imperfect, it pisses Him off!
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CPR is playing God, and that's wrong.


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Brethren!

I has come to my attention that an update is required. Quite a few of our Brethren and Sisters have fallen victims of the ultimate persecution: they have been given cardiopulmonary resuscitation by heathens, papists, some have even been molested by homersexual persons with mouth-to-mouth respiration during the moment of their personal rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17). Some people have survived this physical assault and gone on living a material life while losing the rare opportunity of uniting once and for all with Jesus Christ our Savior.

Briefly, they have been deprived of Glorious Death.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.


I am very sorry to say that I am probably to blame. I introduced recently the "Do Not resuscitate" Card that was of inferior quality. Obviously, all True Christians™ with circulatory disorders, malignancies or bad infection sprinted this card on conventional low-quality paper and carried it on their bosoms at all times but, by some unfathomable reason, the authorities and the layman helpers took this card as some kind of joke. These repulsive people actually touched and massaged many True Christian™ chests without permission. A few Brothers never recovered but were sent into hospitals and thereafter they chose secular lifestyles. You may have noticed absences from tithing and services.


So I prayed and Jesus - as always - helped me in the form of Brother Wall. By doing Christ's bidding he has now designed an updated DNR Card and I am happy to have the second one straight from the oven (Pastor Ezekiel obviously got the first one, although with his dazzling good health he surely will reach general rapture in perfect form; 1 Thessalonians 4:17). The card fits very well in the average True Christian™ wallet but here it is shown in glorious detail as designed by Jesus Himself!













In addition, this practical card serves as an ID card that demonstrates the Intelligent Design of us True Christians™ by Jesus. The Design of our life histories is exquisite:
  • Childhood: learning God's Love through Fear (Proverbs 10:13).
  • Adolescence: Finding God's Love by Submitting to marriage and exhausting conjugal relations (Genesis 2:24).
  • Adulthood: Living according to Jesus' Commandments and receiving His precious Gift of Cardiovascular Disease (Ecclesiastes 12:13).
  • 50's-60's: Succumbing to Jesus' precious Gift and ascending into Heaven (Matthew 13:11).
Now this scheme can be fulfilled without harassment. Brother Wall can be contacted with orders and 90% of the costs is forwarded to finance the glorious new aircraft for Pastor Ezekiel Flint!


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Well done Brother Prof. White. This card will save my Glorious Death, or life, depending on who is around at my End Of Days.

The thought of a Heathen putting their lips to mine is enough to want to die for. I can't imagine a Niggero or Messican pressing against my flesh when God is trying to take my last breath. To wake to that would eventuate in my being given the electric chair. Imagine having to wait 10 years for the legal system to get past fighting all those hippie, tree hugging, hairy armpitted, dreadlocked, stinking, soya bean, animal loving, nit bearing, orgy indulging, PETA loving, flower carrying, bare footed, gluten free sympathisers trying to save my life when ALL I WANT TO DO IS DIE A GLORIOUS DEATH.

I'm out of breath and I think I need an ambulance. Get out of my way you Heathen Hippies this might be the one! Move over Hoffa I could be shifting in next door. Praise Jesus!

Nope, false alarm.

Praise Jesus, Brother Prof. White.


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Would you believe that atheistic dingbats back in the 70s started freezing their heads after they died? Oh they said it was so some kind of scientifical supermedicine can unfreeze them someday but I have sources who tell me that this so-called "cryopreservation" is a Satanic plot to avoid everlasting hellfire. Even though they pretend that they don't believe in God, those damned atheists are so afraid of his perfect judgement that they will do anything to save themselves from Satan's pitchfork! Well guess what, sinners. There's not enough ice in the world to cool down your spot in the lake of fire! Glory!


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CPR is just another attempt by homosexual thugs to force gay sex on us. They know an unconscious person can't fight them off so they take the opportunity to orally rape the other person.

Pretty soon I better we're going to see "hiney to mouth fart resuscitation" with leftist rapists calling it a medical procedure http://www.spike.com/video-clips/rttfuv/manswers-

Count me out, death is far better than CPR.
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Default Re: Death is Better than CPR - Prepare for Your Next Stroke, Coronary Event or Asphyxiation NOW! - 10-29-2015, 08:37 AM

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God Created us (Genesis 1:27). God decided at the moment or our conception the numbers of our days.

Resurrection - YES, resuscitation - NO!
Intensive prayer - YES, Intensive care - DO NOT GO!
Saving souls is OK, saving lives is NO WAY!
CPR - NO NO NO, JCR - to Him we GO!
Um, so I have some questions about this information. When God numbered our days, what is us saving the man's physical life was part of the days, so I do not understand why you put that verse here.

Resurrection - YES, resuscitation - NO!
You said to pray nice and loud instead of give CPR, so why not do CPR while praying? I mean there is probably a larger chance of the person receiving Christ while they can hear you and are fine? I understand that sometimes when a patient is in a comma or out cold, they can hear you and receive Christ, but once they are up, wouldn't it be like a better-safe-than-sorry situation to tell them? It is their responsibility to receive Christ into their hearts, so I don't understand why not make sure they receive him by resuscitating them, and pray like you said at the same time...

Intensive prayer - YES, Intensive care - DO NOT GO!
Intensive prayer is intensive care. Why not do both as I said earlier?

Saving souls is OK, saving lives is NO WAY!
Um, as I said earlier why not do them both, and to put it into terms, God knows how many days we have. We are the variables to God's plan, if we save them, then it is part of God's chosen path for man, because God cannot be wrong.

CPR - NO NO NO, JCR - to Him we GO!
And I'm sure you know what I will say to this. We go to Jesus anyways whether or not they did CPR to us.

Okay you see my point, and let me tell you the strongest argument:

Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We are SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE for this very reason. God is rich, he has everything, he doesn't need anything from us except us serving him. If we decide to let the man or woman die, when we can save them, then how is this verse going to be fulfilled? We need the saved lives to be in this world, why put it out? The more people preaching the gospel the better. So lets do our jobs and server the Lord in the manner intended.

James 5:12
- And Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Turning off life-support machines is illegal.

Revelation 22:11 - He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


If they get resuscitated and go out to preach evil, that is clearly on the line of how motivated and skilled you are at opening to them Lord Christ. And besides, the tiny amount of chance this situation will happen, if we do it your way: 1 guy down 6,500,000,000 to go. Congratulations. You may argue that 1 guy can lead millions if billions. When you save someone's life, they will listen to you because they will feel they owe you one. And as soon as they find out that you saved them in because of Jesus, they will think differently. Good luck murdering people, how about get some evangelists and grow God's army instead.
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Okay you see my point, and let me tell you the strongest argument:

Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We are SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE for this very reason. God is rich, he has everything, he doesn't need anything from us except us serving him. If we decide to let the man or woman die, when we can save them, then how is this verse going to be fulfilled? We need the saved lives to be in this world, why put it out? The more people preaching the gospel the better. So lets do our jobs and server the Lord in the manner intended.

James 5:12
- And Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Turning off life-support machines is illegal.

Revelation 22:11 - He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


Dear Person,

We are apparently using the word "save" in different meanings. You use it to "save from death", whereas I use it to "Save into Eternal life!" If you save the physical body, you can add a few years of material life to that person. How much is this compared to the trillions of years of Eternity.

Secondly, you fail to assess the fact that these DNR cards will be carried by people who are already Saved in the Spiritual Sense. The act of CPR can only corrupt them as they are absolutely in no need of any more evangelizing as they belong to Jesus at the moment of their fatal attack.

Thirdly, you are dismissing the alternative that also refraining from CRP in these cases can be God's will if everything that happens was Intelligently designed by Him (as it was).

That said, I must also agree with you and I see great potential in you. You have apparently embraced the fact that God is indeed so unfathomable that our weak definitions of Good and Evil fall short of His power!

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


Once again, I must emphasize that the instructions in this thread are not meant for the layman but for the already Saved True Christian™ persons. I know that if God wants to preserve by mundane, earthly body after my next coronary attack, a suitable True Christian™ person will be there to assist me (and this fits very well also your argument if we take it to its logical conclusion). I certainly hope that this be not the case, that I have served Him long and well enough to be released from this tedious body. For that glorious possibility, I now carry my DNR card to assist my ascension into the Eternal Realm of God!



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Secondly, you fail to assess the fact that these DNR cards will be carried by people who are already Saved in the Spiritual Sense.
This is a good point, Brother Professor Dr White. Also, unless I have misunderstood, they are not currently compulsory, are they? Recommended, but not actually compulsory.

I hope that deals with all of the Captain's objections.


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Um, so I have some questions about this information. When God numbered our days, what is us saving the man's physical life was part of the days, so I do not understand why you put that verse here.

Resurrection - YES, resuscitation - NO!
You said to pray nice and loud instead of give CPR, so why not do CPR while praying? I mean there is probably a larger chance of the person receiving Christ while they can hear you and are fine? I understand that sometimes when a patient is in a comma or out cold, they can hear you and receive Christ, but once they are up, wouldn't it be like a better-safe-than-sorry situation to tell them? It is their responsibility to receive Christ into their hearts, so I don't understand why not make sure they receive him by resuscitating them, and pray like you said at the same time...

Intensive prayer - YES, Intensive care - DO NOT GO!
Intensive prayer is intensive care. Why not do both as I said earlier?

Saving souls is OK, saving lives is NO WAY!
Um, as I said earlier why not do them both, and to put it into terms, God knows how many days we have. We are the variables to God's plan, if we save them, then it is part of God's chosen path for man, because God cannot be wrong.

CPR - NO NO NO, JCR - to Him we GO!
And I'm sure you know what I will say to this. We go to Jesus anyways whether or not they did CPR to us.

Hello, dear. I hear a lot of what you think is right. Unfortunately for you, what really counts in God's eyes is not your feelings, but what He ordered us to do.

Here it is:

James 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

If you fervently pray, God will listen. That is because doctors don't heal people - God heals people:

Jeremiah 33:
6 Behold, I will bring it health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth.

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Okay you see my point, and let me tell you the strongest argument:
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Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We are SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE for this very reason. God is rich, he has everything, he doesn't need anything from us except us serving him. If we decide to let the man or woman die, when we can save them, then how is this verse going to be fulfilled? We need the saved lives to be in this world, why put it out? The more people preaching the gospel the better. So lets do our jobs and server the Lord in the manner intended.
Great verse, but it has nothing to do with sickness. Every sickness is given to people by God:

Deuteronomy 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

In fact, God is very clear that in case of a sickness we should turn to Him, not to doctors:

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the Lord, but to the physicians.
13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

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James 5:12 - And Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Turning off life-support machines is illegal.
"Illegal" is a word that refers to things which are prohibited by secular law, and therefore non related to God's Commandments (unless you are lucky enough to live in a state that obeys Biblical law to the letter - sort of a Christian Saudi Arabia).

The word you were looking for is "immoral." In the light of verses that I've cited above, I'd say that putting people on life support (thus depending on science and not on God's Will) is immoral.

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Revelation 22:11 - He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


If they get resuscitated and go out to preach evil, that is clearly on the line of how motivated and skilled you are at opening to them Lord Christ. And besides, the tiny amount of chance this situation will happen, if we do it your way: 1 guy down 6,500,000,000 to go. Congratulations. You may argue that 1 guy can lead millions if billions. When you save someone's life, they will listen to you because they will feel they owe you one. And as soon as they find out that you saved them in because of Jesus, they will think differently. Good luck murdering people, how about get some evangelists and grow God's army instead.
It does not matter how high of a position you are, everyone makes mistakes, do not righteous yourself out of this one.

It's one thing to let people be as they wish, and it's a totally different thing to interfere with God's plan to kill a person, dear.
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