[SovietJew]

I trust in the word of the lord, I do not trust in the ability of the person writing his word down to understand and grasp it fully. God is just that far above us, even more so at the time the bibles were written.

On topic

As for the praying to Mary, it is just like if you ask a dead relative, friend, or your pastor to pray for you.

The prayers aren't aimed at her, they are aimed to Christ.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by SovietJew

I trust in the word of the lord, I do not trust in the ability of the person writing his word down to understand and grasp it fully. God is just that far above us, even more so at the time the bibles were written.

On topic

As for the praying to Mary, it is just like if you ask a dead relative, friend, or your pastor to pray for you.

The prayers aren't aimed at her, they are aimed to Christ.

You're saying that God can't write a simple document that can be understood by a literate person? That would make Him a pretty crummy author. Heck, I can get my point across in plain language as it occurs to me. God had an infinitude of time (He is without beginning) to plan the writing of the Bible. How could He possibly fail to make sense to His target audience? You could only be right if God was an idiot.

Necromancy, i.e. communing with the dead, is forbidden. See Leviticus 19:31.

[SovietJew]

Necromancy is reviving the dead actually...
Shit...
I pray to God that your form of Leviticus is not correct, I'm sure you can see how bad that would all make us for worshiping a sinner.

Also God did not write the Bible, he had man write it.
I'm not saying he is dumb, I'm saying we are. God is so much smarter than us, we all know this to be true. Well then isn't it highly believable that we would misinterpret some of his thoughts?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by SovietJew

Necromancy is reviving the dead actually...
Shit...
I pray to God that your form of Leviticus is not correct, I'm sure you can see how bad that would all make us for worshiping a sinner.

Also God did not write the Bible, he had man write it.
I'm not saying he is dumb, I'm saying we are. God is so much smarter than us, we all know this to be true. Well then isn't it highly believable that we would misinterpret some of his thoughts?

God can make Himself understood if He wants to be. He is omnipotent.

Did Stephen King write It, or did His typewriter?

nec·ro·man·cy/ˈnekrəˌmansē/

Noun:

• The supposed practice of communicating with the dead

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/necromancy

See 2 Timothy 3:16.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by SovietJew

I trust in the word of the lord, I do not trust in the ability of the person writing his word down to understand and grasp it fully. God is just that far above us, even more so at the time the bibles were written.

How would you know what is "fully grasped" and what isn't? I mean, how would you decide which portions of the Holy Bible are accurate and which are merely man's futile attempt at expressing the incommunicable aspects of a Perfect God? When you pray, how would you know that voice in your head is not the Holy Spirit's but yours, your own desires, your own logic, your own experiences reflecting what you can only imagine to be God's Words?

Originally Posted by SovietJew

On topic

As for the praying to Mary, it is just like if you ask a dead relative, friend, or your pastor to pray for you.

The prayers aren't aimed at her, they are aimed to Christ.

Friend, some of us here are very familiar with the catholic religion. I was raised in such a cultist house with statues of Mary and her husband, Joseph, and the more famous saints like St. Anthony and St. Vincent De Paul, as well as some obscure ones who are no longer considered saints at all because the church's fabrication of their existence has been uncovered, like St. Olivia, St. Barbara of Nicomedia, and St Acacius the Martyr.

Friend, God warns us about praying to the dead (Deuteronomy 18:11; 1 Samuel 28:1-25; 1 Chronicles 10:13-14). This shouldn't be taken lightly, and the catholic's answer about "intercession" doesn't line up with the Bible. God doesn't need people to help him answer prayers. He knows everything already (Psalm 139:7-12; Psalm 147:4-5).

[SovietJew]

Yeah but we are not Omnipotent. So how could we understand him? It's like asking a worm to write a book for you.

http://www.mnemonicdictionary.com/word/necromancy

Yes conjuring, bringing them back.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by SovietJew

Yeah but we are not Omnipotent. So how could we understand him? It's like asking a worm to write a book for you.

http://www.mnemonicdictionary.com/word/necromancy

Yes conjuring, bringing them back.

nec·ro·man·cy

   [nek-ruh-man-see] Show IPA
noun 1. a method of divination through alleged communication with the dead; black art.

How do you ring kissing pedophiles communicate with Mary without bringing her back? Is she dead or not? (Hint: she's dead).

I already explained to you that God is omnipotent, and can therefore make anyone understand anything He wants. If He couldn't, then He wouldn't be God as omnipotence is among His essential attributes.

Also, I proved this using 2 Timothy 3:16.

You have not addressed these claims. You only keep on about the same nonsense. Please consider the obvious logic of what I am saying before you resign yourself to eternal fire.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins

Please consider the obvious logic of what I am saying before you resign yourself to eternal fire.

Oh yes, Jew, please do! I know these arguments sound very good to your logic, but as you say, a man's logic can't be trusted whereas the LORD'S alone can. Since we have His Holy Word, the King James Bible, 1611, we can know His Perfect Logic! You need not suffer all eternity just because you think it makes sense your way.

[SovietJew]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins

You have not addressed these claims. You only keep on about the same nonsense. Please consider the obvious logic of what I am saying before you resign yourself to eternal fire.

You're dodging all mine, and simply keep pounding at the same point.

As for the fact that the church believed hell was frozen up until after the roman empire fell (hint: dark ages totally reversed Christianity) I'll be fine chillin at those pearly gates with blacks, hispanics, asians, jews, catholics, Lutherans, and everyone else who knows better than to put down their sister churches.

Cause thats what being a true christian is all about.

Yeah King Jame's was written far after the original bible was, that's what astounds me the most about Baptists. They claim theirs is the original, and thus Jesus is a time traveling terminator we know as Arnold the Governor of California.

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by SovietJew

As for the fact that the church believed hell was frozen up until after the roman empire fell (hint: dark ages totally reversed Christianity) I'll be fine chillin at those pearly gates with blacks, hispanics, asians, jews, catholics, Lutherans, and everyone else who knows better than to put down their sister churches.

Hell envisioned as a frozen place was invented in Dante's Inferno which was written in the 1300s.

I'll quote a Catholic website: http://www.scripturecatholic.com/hell.html

"…Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, 'every knee should bow, of things in heaven,, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess' to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send 'spiritual wickednesses,' and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning of their Christian course, and others from the date of their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1,10,10 (A.D. 180).

"…thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal. For to whomsoever the Lord shall say, 'Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,' these shall be damned for ever; and to whomsoever He shall say, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you for eternity,' these do receive the kingdom for ever, and make constant advance in it; since there is one and the same God the Father, and His Word, who has been always present with the human race, by means indeed of various dispensations, and has wrought out many things, and saved from the beginning those who are saved, (for these are they who love God, and follow the Word of God according to the class to which they belong,) and has judged those who are judged, that is, those who forget God, and are blasphemous, and transgressors of His word." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 4,28,2 (A.D. 180).

"[T]hese have further set before us the proofs He has given of His majesty in judgments by floods and fires, the rules appointed by Him for securing His favour, as well as the retribution in store for the ignoring, forsaking and keeping them, as being about at the end of all to adjudge His worshippers to everlasting life, and the wicked to the doom of fire at once without ending and without break, raising up again all the dead from the beginning, reforming and renewing them with the object of awarding either recompense." Tertullian, Apology, 18:3 (A.D. 197).

"Therefore after this there is neither death nor repeated resurrections, but we shall be the same that we are now, and still unchanged--the servants of God, ever with God, clothed upon with the proper substance of eternity; but the profane, and all who are not true worshippers of God, in like manner shall be consigned to the punishment of everlasting fire--that fire which, from its very nature indeed, directly ministers to their incorruptibility." Tertullian, Apology, 48:12 (A.D. 197).

"[T]he world when thou shall know what it is to live truly in heaven, when thou shalt despise that which is here esteemed to be death, when thou shalt fear what is truly death, which is reserved for those who shall be condemned to the eternal fire, which shall afflict those even to the end that are committed to it." Letter to Diognetus 10:7 (A.D. 200).

"Oh,what and how great will that day be at its coming, beloved brethren, when the Lord shall begin to count up His people, and to recognize the deservings of each one by the inspection of His divine knowledge, to send the guilty to Gehenna, and to set on fire our persecutors with the perpetual burning of a penal fire, but to pay to us the reward of our faith and devotion!" Cyprian, To Thibaris, Epistle 55 (58):10 (A.D. 253).

[Catholic Woman]

I am a Catholic Woman, and am not ashamed to admit it. You may go ahead and chastise me for my beliefs, but I just want to ask why you feel you must lash out at others for believing differently than yourself?

I am not going to tell you that you are wrong for believing differently than myself, but I do believe it is out of line to wish anyone to burn in Hell. Unless you have been there, you couldn't possibly imagine what it is like (nor can I, as I have never been there). In general, I feel wishing someone to burn in Hell is even worse than wishing death upon them.

Wishing death upon another person is not what Jesus wants us to do as CHRISTIANS (Yes, we Catholics believe in Christ the Savior, just as you "True Christians" do).

Instead, why not respectfully disagree with these people who argue against your beliefs, and show them how you believe? If you tell them how your religion believes, then I'm sure if they agree with you, then they shall be "Saved."

Damning everyone else to Hell in the meantime is nothing but cruel and mean-spirited.

-End of Rant-

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

I am a Catholic Woman, and am not ashamed to admit it. You may go ahead and chastise me for my beliefs, but I just want to ask why you feel you must lash out at others for believing differently than yourself?

I am not going to tell you that you are wrong for believing differently than myself, but I do believe it is out of line to wish anyone to burn in Hell. Unless you have been there, you couldn't possibly imagine what it is like (nor can I, as I have never been there). In general, I feel wishing someone to burn in Hell is even worse than wishing death upon them.

Wishing death upon another person is not what Jesus wants us to do as CHRISTIANS (Yes, we Catholics believe in Christ the Savior, just as you "True Christians" do).

Instead, why not respectfully disagree with these people who argue against your beliefs, and show them how you believe? If you tell them how your religion believes, then I'm sure if they agree with you, then they shall be "Saved."

Damning everyone else to Hell in the meantime is nothing but cruel and mean-spirited.

-End of Rant-

Because if they listen to our warnings that they are behaving in ways that will send them to Hell they might not go to Hell. What higher cause can there be?

God and Jesus have specifically told us ways in which you are damning yourself and how you ought to behave. We're just accurately and tirelessly pointing out the ways in which Papists like yourself act in ways that God specifically forbids.

1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Here we see something you yourself have wilfully ignored, for example.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

You may go ahead and chastise me for my beliefs, but I just want to ask why you feel you must lash out at others for believing differently than yourself?

Dear friend:

All we're doing is what God commands:

Ezekiel 3:18-19: When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

1 Timothy 5:20: Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Yours in Christ (not Mary!),

Isaac

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

I am a Catholic Woman, and am not ashamed to admit it. You may go ahead and chastise me for my beliefs, but I just want to ask why you feel you must lash out at others for believing differently than yourself?

Hello and welcome to the forum!

I was once a proud Catholic woman (you can see by my medals, one of them reflects this sad truth). What makes you think we're "lashing out" just by sharing the Holy Word of God? Do you think God Himself is "lashing out"? Well, perhaps He is. After all, Hell is a terrible burden to bear for eternity.

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

I am not going to tell you that you are wrong for believing differently than myself, but I do believe it is out of line to wish anyone to burn in Hell. Unless you have been there, you couldn't possibly imagine what it is like (nor can I, as I have never been there). In general, I feel wishing someone to burn in Hell is even worse than wishing death upon them.

Of course you can't tell us we're wrong because we merely illuminate the Holy Word of God. If you were to accuse us of being wrong, why, you'd be accusing the Bible of being wrong! Can you imagine such a thing?

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

Wishing death upon another person is not what Jesus wants us to do as CHRISTIANS (Yes, we Catholics believe in Christ the Savior, just as you "True Christians" do).

We're not "wishing death" upon anyone, dear. We know perfectly well one has a choice to make, and if they choose to embrace the fiery pits of Hell, well then Godspeed. And for the record, I can say with utter confidence, Catholics believe in a pagan evolution eventually called "Mary" and her son "Jesus." Why it's virtually identical to the pagan god Horus and his own virgin mother.

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

Instead, why not respectfully disagree with these people who argue against your beliefs, and show them how you believe? If you tell them how your religion believes, then I'm sure if they agree with you, then they shall be "Saved."

Some people respectfully disagree with child rapists. Some of us have no patience for such offenses. When people come here and demand to be taken seriously for their foolish claims that catholics are really Christians, why it offends God Almighty Himself! His Son DIED for our sins, but if you people want to keep spitting in His ever loving face, you've come to the wrong place for support and encouragement.

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

Damning everyone else to Hell in the meantime is nothing but cruel and mean-spirited.

-End of Rant-

You do realize, don't you, that we aren't damning anyone to Hell. God is. If you think God is cruel and mean-spirited for sending people to eternal torment just for the so-called "crime" for not believing a fantastic story written in the Holy Bible of a babe born of a virgin woman, who died for a long weekend, came back to life, floated up to heaven in such a way David Blaine could only fantasize about, and is sitting somewhere in the universe in a throne next to himself, hiding from high tech telescopes, then take that up with Him.

Have a blessed day.

[Deaner]

Originally Posted by Catholic Woman

I am a Catholic Woman, and am not ashamed to admit it.

Damning everyone else to Hell in the meantime is nothing but cruel and mean-spirited.

Ok, let's cut it in the middle regarding you wop loving catlicks.

Instead of burning in hell, how's about we just lock you up in a padded cell for talking (and expecting answers) from plaster statues?

They're man-made statues for Christ's sake; they can't hear you nor understand anything you say.

Why don't you put a slot in the back of their necks to put money in like those cheap Elvis statues? At least they'd be of some use then.

I love the way you guys hold their hands while you talk to them too. What a frigging riot that is.

[Crazy Ivan III]

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[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Crazy Ivan III

Actuly Croats used their langure from 9 cetury,but

You do realize that you are making less sense with every post you make. What's with putting that false quote on brother Deaner there?
If you trying the get banned for acting like a dick, you are making good progress.

[Crazy Ivan III]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

You do realize that you are making less sense with every post you make. What's with putting that false quote on brother Deaner there?
If you trying the get banned for acting like a dick, you are making good progress.

Croats uzed Glagolitic script from 9 century,but it waz officially aprovet in 1248
After that ˝golden age˝ of Glagolitic script started,becoze foring bishups stopt complening
did you sean this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glagolitic_alphabet
link

[Crazy Ivan III]

And what did you do wihit my picture

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Crazy Ivan III

stopt complening

Wake up, short bus.

Deaner said this

Originally Posted by Deaner

Ok, let's cut it in the middle regarding you wop loving catlicks.

Instead of burning in hell, how's about we just lock you up in a padded cell for talking (and expecting answers) from plaster statues?

They're man-made statues for Christ's sake; they can't hear you nor understand anything you say.

Why don't you put a slot in the back of their necks to put money in like those cheap Elvis statues? At least they'd be of some use then.

I love the way you guys hold their hands while you talk to them too. What a frigging riot that is.

Yet you made some quote like this to his post.

In the late 1300s John Wycilf translated the scriptures from the Latin Vulgate. Some 40 odd years after his death, the catholic "religion" dug up his bones and burned them calling him an arch-heretick. In the 1500's William Tyndale sought to translate the Bible into the language of the common people, English. He could not gain approval from the catholic pope so he worked as an outlaw on the run in Europe, translating the Bible. He was eventually captured, condemned and executed in 1536. It is because of people like these men, Tyndale and Wycliffe, that we have the scriptures today. If the papists had their way, we'd still be in ignorance about the Bible and enslaved to the pope. Time fails me here to tell of other marytrs like John Hus, John Rogers, etc. who were killed by popish thugs.

Why do you try to change what people has said? We to not tolerate that kind of behavior here.