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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-27-2009, 07:57 PM
Dear Brother Jeb,
Yesterday I came upon your “Guide to the Evolutionist Conspiracy”. Whenever I am sure you bible-thumping nut-jobs can’t get any stupider, you go out and top yourselves with something like this. Your childish denial of modern science, common sense, and logic 7- year olds could understand is nothing short of hilarious. You repeatedly cross your own reasoning in a fantastically funny denial of what’s right in front of your nose. Are you joking? I really thought it was a jest when I first read it.
Anyway, I found you to be so appallingly stupid that it was necessary to individually rebut every statement (or almost) that was made in “The Guide To The Evolutionist Conspiracy”.
An ounce of sense welcomes your extremist hatemail.
In the opening of your thread, you say not to trust any of these groups or anything they have invented. These inventions are all around us. You’re using one, for god’s sake.
Geologists
You allege that geologists are covering up evidence of the flood, but that makes no sense. Scientists have everything to gain-fortune, fame, grant money- for proving an unpopular theory, one losing popularity (like the 6,000 year old earth), or any theory at all.
Physicists
Well, I can’t prove decay rates of isotopes and the constant speed of light in any way you would accept, but the rainbow is easy. If you’ve ever washed a car on a sunny day, the light hitting the water from the hose makes, you guessed it, a rainbow. You might say he rainbow is the work of god, but do you really think god would bless the bikini car wash, or the suicide bombers washing their car before loading it with explosives?
Not to mention that the Laws of Thermodynamics aren’t remotely related to evolution. They have to do with the conversion of heat and energy into work. I don’t know how you got that idea in to your head, but you should really reread the Wikipedia page on thermodynamics. Then you say that’s a fact every good creationist knows, but even if they did, they’re wrong. Find some real facts to back up your ludicrous claims before you plaster them all over the Internet.
And yet again, you fail to provide a motive for the physicists to cover up practical knowledge.
Defenders of the Scientific Method and Peer Review
You state that real science is based on backing up facts with evidence. That is not science. That is a reading exercise to help comprehension, popular throughout elementary schools. Here is a dictionary definition of science:
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment
Real science is based on experimentation, questioning established knowledge to find out new, great things, and asking questions. But in a bleak, dark world like yours, where all knowledge comes from one book, nothing is discovered, nothing ever changes, and discovering something new is probably heresy, life is denied its natural state of change.
I should also point out that the scientific method is not a lifestyle (where did you get that?) but a way to form a conclusion from evidence provided or gathered. Scholars probably used it with the bible to form the basis of modern Christianity.
More on “The Guide to the Evolutionist Conspiracy” in a few hours.
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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-27-2009, 08:06 PM
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Dear Brother Jeb,
Yesterday I came upon your “Guide to the Evolutionist Conspiracy”. Whenever I am sure you bible-thumping nut-jobs can’t get any stupider, you go out and top yourselves with something like this. Your childish denial of modern science, common sense, and logic 7- year olds could understand is nothing short of hilarious. You repeatedly cross your own reasoning in a fantastically funny denial of what’s right in front of your nose. Are you joking? I really thought it was a jest when I first read it.
Anyway, I found you to be so appallingly stupid that it was necessary to individually rebut every statement (or almost) that was made in “The Guide To The Evolutionist Conspiracy”.
An ounce of sense welcomes your extremist hatemail.
In the opening of your thread, you say not to trust any of these groups or anything they have invented. These inventions are all around us. You’re using one, for god’s sake.
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Geologists
You allege that geologists are covering up evidence of the flood, but that makes no sense. Scientists have everything to gain-fortune, fame, grant money- for proving an unpopular theory, one losing popularity (like the 6,000 year old earth), or any theory at all.
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If they state the proof they have proving God made it all, they all would be out of the cushy nothing to do jobs they have.
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Physicists
Well, I can’t prove decay rates of isotopes and the constant speed of light in any way you would accept, but the rainbow is easy. If you’ve ever washed a car on a sunny day, the light hitting the water from the hose makes, you guessed it, a rainbow. You might say he rainbow is the work of god, but do you really think god would bless the bikini car wash, or the suicide bombers washing their car before loading it with explosives?
Not to mention that the Laws of Thermodynamics aren’t remotely related to evolution. They have to do with the conversion of heat and energy into work. I don’t know how you got that idea in to your head, but you should really reread the Wikipedia page on thermodynamics. Then you say that’s a fact every good creationist knows, but even if they did, they’re wrong. Find some real facts to back up your ludicrous claims before you plaster them all over the Internet.
And yet again, you fail to provide a motive for the physicists to cover up practical knowledge.
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Rainbows are from God. He makes them during these disgusting carwashes to take the eyes to a beautiful site. Cleanliness is next to Godliness.
Defenders of the Scientific Method and Peer Review
You state that real science is based on backing up facts with evidence. That is not science. That is a reading exercise to help comprehension, popular throughout elementary schools. Here is a dictionary definition of science:
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment
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Real science is based on experimentation, questioning established knowledge to find out new, great things, and asking questions. But in a bleak, dark world like yours, where all knowledge comes from one book, nothing is discovered, nothing ever changes, and discovering something new is probably heresy, life is denied its natural state of change.
I should also point out that the scientific method is not a lifestyle (where did you get that?) but a way to form a conclusion from evidence provided or gathered. Scholars probably used it with the bible to form the basis of modern Christianity.
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Merely smoke and mirrors. These 'scientists' deliberately make the explanation confusing so no one will question them. God does not do that.
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Great, more mindless crap to come from this idiot. Don't you have a book to read for school, like 'Nancy Drew' or something?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-27-2009, 08:45 PM
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If they state the proof they have proving God made it all, they all would be out of the cushy nothing to do jobs they have.
Rainbows are from God. He makes them during these disgusting carwashes to take the eyes to a beautiful site. Cleanliness is next to Godliness.
Defenders of the Scientific Method and Peer Review
You state that real science is based on backing up facts with evidence. That is not science. That is a reading exercise to help comprehension, popular throughout elementary schools. Here is a dictionary definition of science:
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment
Merely smoke and mirrors. These 'scientists' deliberately make the explanation confusing so no one will question them. God does not do that.
Great, more mindless crap to come from this idiot. Don't you have a book to read for school, like 'Nancy Drew' or something?
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What the hell? Are you stalking me on this site or something?
1st thing you said- that is the exact opposite of what I said, and what would happen.
2nd- Okay, i can understand that, but you don't explain the non-bikini carwashes
3rd- If something was very confusing, i would question it.
Also, I hate Nancy Drew.
Is it possible we could call a truce?
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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-27-2009, 08:59 PM
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3rd- If something was very confusing, i would question it.
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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-27-2009, 09:05 PM
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What the hell? Are you stalking me on this site or something?
1st thing you said- that is the exact opposite of what I said, and what would happen.
2nd- Okay, i can understand that, but you don't explain the non-bikini carwashes
3rd- If something was very confusing, i would question it.
Also, I hate Nancy Drew.
Is it possible we could call a truce?
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1) I stated fact. Just was too easy.
2) You think rainbows should only be beautiful when underage girls are washing your car? Should they not be beautiful after a cleansing rain, spanning a mountain range?
3) You honestly think anyone one is going to listen to a near (if not complete) lunatic drone on for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours? I have a brother how is a organic chemist and one of these guys. Kill me now.
4) Everyone hates it, that is why it is on your book list.
Truce? I was never at war! I have only been disproving all your lies and half truths and I am getting as bit sick of your childish games.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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07-27-2009, 09:11 PM
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1) I stated fact. Just was too easy.
2) You think rainbows should only be beautiful when underage girls are washing your car? Should they not be beautiful after a cleansing rain, spanning a mountain range?
3) You honestly think anyone one is going to listen to a near (if not complete) lunatic drone on for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours? I have a brother how is a organic chemist and one of these guys. Kill me now.
4) Everyone hates it, that is why it is on your book list.
Truce? I was never at war! I have only been disproving all your lies and half truths and I am getting as bit sick of your childish games.
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Your arguements grow more feeble every time.
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07-27-2009, 09:15 PM
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Your arguements grow more feeble every time.
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Not arguments. Facts
"The simplest explanation is usually the correct one" -Occazam's razor
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-27-2009, 10:20 PM
This is a continuation of my railing against Jeb Thurmond’s “Guide to The Evolutionist Conspiracy”
Here are some more groups of people he says never to trust.
Zoologists
“The Bible claims bats are birds. (Leviticus 11:13, 11:19) Lying zoologists claim they are rodents.” Says Jeb.
In 11:13, god starts listing birds the Israelites cannot eat. In 11:19, god finishes the list with the bat. The bible never specifically says bats are birds; he just seems to include flying things. Also, “Bats are birds” is based on ancient knowledge that simply lumps flying non-insects in to the “Bird” category. Modern science proves them wrong.
Here is a dictionary definition of bird:
a warm-blooded egg-laying vertebrate distinguished by the possession of feathers, wings, and a beak and (typically) by being able to fly
Let’s see then. Bats do not lay eggs or have feathers. So much for the “Bats are birds” notion. Even penguins have feathers. Sorry, Jeb.
Brain Surgeons
Jeb states the mind is in the heart. Wow. Remove your brain and see how that works
Astronomers and anyone who talks about “Stars”
Well, the most obvious hole in your theory is that the sun is a star. That should have been cleared up in kindergarten. If you really believe stars are small, suddenly the whole rest of the universe can’t exist. If you want to deny the existence of the universe outside the earth and sun, then be my guest. The little things that fall to earth are called meteors. They burn up when they go through the outer atmosphere from friction with the air. Now, if you want to deny friction, then you are officially hopeless.
Now, both Jeb and the bible say the sky is a solid dome, a firmament, surrounding the earth, and there is another ocean on top of it. That’s why the sky is blue (even though water is colorless and reflects whatever colors are around it, eg. the ozone in the sky, but I’m trying to stay on topic). If stars can fall to the earth, then how do they get through the ocean and the firmament? And why do they glow and get hot in water? There are also thousands of studies and millions of pages of data pertaining to hot, big stars that are very far away. There is no way around that. This whole business of small stars that can fall to earth is obviously false. That’s what meteors are for.
As I read “The Guide” I noticed a few consistent problems. Jebs claims are, for the most part, based on primitive knowledge compiled over 2,000 years ago, when technology as we know it was virtually nonexistent. He has failed to adjust to modern life, where something he denies, like micro-organisms, are everyday, mundane topics. The bible is god’s word 2,000 years ago, when nobody knew what a galaxy was. Now simply because bacteria were not mentioned in the bible (because biblical scholars compiling gospels into the bible didn’t know what they were) he assumes they don’t exist. Christianity needs to move on from this medieval mindset.
Propagandists of Original Thought
“In the anti-American world of science, on the other hand, questioning and testing of accepted or authoritative beliefs is the method” Right you are, because oftentimes, those beliefs are wrong, and become accepted to the point that nobody can point out holes in a story. It’s called progress. Oh, wait… Progress is sinful?
“No wonder scientists are known to cook and eat fetuses they pick up drive-through at planned parenthood clinics.” Wooooow….
How fabulously random and untrue, not to mention off-topic. I challenge you to find documentation of one such event.
Mathematics Teachers and other believers in Pi
“In the Bible Pi is a neat 3 (reflecting trinity, no doubt) while math teachers believe it is an ugly, messy 3.14159.”
Jeb, you can deny theories but you can’t deny something like Pi that can be tested and proven. Try it. All you need is a caliper or ruler, a bottle cap, a flexible tape measure, and a calculator if you want it. Try to build something circular and then get a frame for it, calculating how much you need with pi equaling 3 and fail every time. There is no way you can deny what’s right in front of your face!
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07-27-2009, 10:30 PM
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Not arguments. Facts
"The simplest explanation is usually the correct one" -Occazam's razor
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Occam's razor is false. The most obvious instance is weather, but I'm afraid you might play the "God's Will" card, even though it has been proven otherwise.
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07-27-2009, 10:34 PM
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Occam's razor is false. The most obvious instance is weather, but I'm afraid you might play the "God's Will" card, even though it has been proven otherwise.
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Look, this not a debate forum. If you'd bother to read the forum rules, you would know it.
You have tired me with your childish games. Go play in traffic.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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07-28-2009, 12:44 AM
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Look, this not a debate forum. If you'd bother to read the forum rules, you would know it.
You have tired me with your childish games. Go play in traffic.
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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-28-2009, 03:30 PM
Did you ever consider anything like this? God made the world, he also made the universe, which I have proof of and would be happy to buy anyone who disagrees a plane ticket, so I can show you there are no windows, but that those bible verses were a way for uninformed people to explain what was unexplainable at the time, which is what scientists are doing now.
Ok, so God made the world, and the universe. He made every animal, and when the time was right, he made humans. The evolved from simple primates but God gave them their complete design, and a soul as well. That is something that no other animal can claim.
If you reply, please use a modicum of logic in your rebuddle, and do not simply bash me with misinterpretated bible verses. Thank you.
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Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy -
07-28-2009, 03:38 PM
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Did you ever consider anything like this? God made the world, he also made the universe, which I have proof of and would be happy to buy anyone who disagrees a plane ticket, so I can show you there are no windows, but that those bible verses were a way for uninformed people to explain what was unexplainable at the time, which is what scientists are doing now.
Ok, so God made the world, and the universe. He made every animal, and when the time was right, he made humans. The evolved from simple primates but God gave them their complete design, and a soul as well. That is something that no other animal can claim.
If you reply, please use a modicum of logic in your rebuddle, and do not simply bash me with misinterpretated bible verses. Thank you.
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Let us talk logic here friend. Were is The Bible verses to back up your assertion that God created some magical fish man that became Adam. You do realize that if your THEORY is true that means we are all nothing more than walking fish!
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07-28-2009, 03:38 PM
You're going to buy us all a ticket to the universe?
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07-28-2009, 03:40 PM
Jake, other than completely failing to use scripture from the KJV1611 Bible, failing to capitalize the first letters some key words and poor sentence structure, you are kind of right. You just need to denounce the thieving pope and repent your Sins so Jesus can welcome you into his flock and allow you to be a Christian. You are not a lost cause, little lamb.
PS I'll PM my address for the free tickets. Where is the all expense paid trip to?
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Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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07-28-2009, 03:46 PM
A ticket on a plane... and how about you come to Nebraska and then we talk about tickets.
Also, I don't recall saying anything about fish. We are possibly evolved from some sort of early human, and then God gave the homo sapien a soul, and a personal design in his image.
What's wrong with my sentence structure. And also I didn't know you guys only used the James bible at first.
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07-28-2009, 04:05 PM
Heck, Nebraska is not far, barely a one day trip.
You have a good swimming hole there? Fresh corn on the cob? Honey cured bacon? Your wife make good Biscuits, gravy and pie?
Give us a reason to want to go someplace terribly flat.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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07-28-2009, 04:10 PM
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Heck, Nebraska is not far, barely a one day trip.
You have a good swimming hole there? Fresh corn on the cob? Honey cured bacon? Your wife make good Biscuits, gravy and pie?
Give us a reason to want to go someplace terribly flat.
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We have numerous swimming pools yes. Nebraska is the corn state if you like corn. I don't know what honey cured is. I'm 15 and thus not married, and when I am I intend to cook, because I enjoy it. Nebraska is one of the hilliest states.
-That should about answer your questions.
Also, I am in a period where I am broke, so the plane tickets were more to prove a point, and by your openness, I can tell you've flown before, ending the entire point of the flight.
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07-28-2009, 04:13 PM
Darn, I was getting my hopes up on a free trip to Nebraska.
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We have numerous swimming pools yes. Nebraska is the corn state if you like corn. I don't know what honey cured is. I'm 15 and thus not married, and when I am I intend to cook, because I enjoy it. Nebraska is one of the hilliest states.
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At 15, you do not know what 'Honey Cured' is? What have they been feeding and teaching you son? When you go out to the barn to slaughter a pig, do you just sit right down and chow down or do you cure it like a civilized man?
Nebraska has hills, compared to what, Oklahoma? Son, I come from Appalachia, we have mountains and even then, they are not as big as mountains I have seen in the north east and Pacific northwest. Your 'hills' are like sand on the road. To be noticed and as quickly, forgotten.
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No summer job mowing lawns, trimming bushes?
Boy, you had best stop your lying. We had some respect for you, making sensible posts and appearing responsible. But then to promise plane tickets to immediately go back on your word is a terrible sin. I have a big rig, so the trip for me and my family is not a problem but Brother Nobar is not as fortunate as I. You owe him some first class tickets.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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