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05-06-2013, 03:26 AM
Y'all are soooo wrong for putting these lies out there and quoting a bunch of Scriptures to promote your lies that Christians are perfect when that is not true whatsoever! Jesus Christ was the only perfect man and there are no other perfect man out there. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, that's like y'all saying y'all not sinning or something when that's a lie. How can you say you truly follow God and His truth when you are lying to others as well as yourselves claiming to be perfect in the eyesight of God?? That is not of God whatsoever, also God don't expect His true people to debate over His word. Jesus didn't go around arguing with others over the truth, many were ignorant over the truth He spoke when He walked the Earth. Y'all need to stop with the lies, Christianity is straight pagan and that's why many people are lost now because y'all promote lies that comes straight from Satan. Y'all should repent for your deeds because Jesus is coming back really soon.
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Y'all are soooo wrong for putting these lies out there and quoting a bunch of Scriptures to promote your lies that Christians are perfect when that is not true whatsoever! Jesus Christ was the only perfect man and there are no other perfect man out there. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, that's like y'all saying y'all not sinning or something when that's a lie. How can you say you truly follow God and His truth when you are lying to others as well as yourselves claiming to be perfect in the eyesight of God?? That is not of God whatsoever, also God don't expect His true people to debate over His word. Jesus didn't go around arguing with others over the truth, many were ignorant over the truth He spoke when He walked the Earth. Y'all need to stop with the lies, Christianity is straight pagan and that's why many people are lost now because y'all promote lies that comes straight from Satan. Y'all should repent for your deeds because Jesus is coming back really soon.
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Hi Randaesha, and welcome to our friendly forums! You can find a Spirit-Fille sermon on this very subject HERE. In the meantime, you are most welcome to introduce yourself HERE so we can greet you properly! You can read all kinds of helpful information ON THIS THREAD for newcomers like yourself. If you’d like to share your opinion, kindly provide the Scriptural Support where we can see how wonderfully God said it first. Finally, your rights on our forum can be found HERE.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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05-06-2013, 05:27 AM
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Jesus Christ was the only perfect man and there are no other perfect man out there.
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If you had bothered to read the thread, you would see I already addressed that very subject! You are twisting the scriptures to fit your lies that we are not actually perfect!
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No one was perfect except Jesus!
Wrong! I wanted to add a list of a few perfect people in the Bible besides Jesus for those you who don't believe there was anyone else who was ever perfect.
Luke 1:5-6 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
God speaking to Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
David speaking to God.
Psalm 101:2 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.
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2 Samuel 22:22-24 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
For all his judgments were before me: and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them.
I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity.
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We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God
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Read the next verses after the one you took out of context!
I posted them in the NIV, since you have a lack of reading comprehension.
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Romans 3:23-26
24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
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It is true that ALL HAVE SINNED (past tense) but to continue to do so, makes you no True Christian. I won't have you lie about God's word.
If you had actually read the original post instead of flinging feces like a monkey, you would already know this and would have accepted Jesus' righteousness and would quit sinning.
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yourselves claiming to be perfect in the eyesight of God??
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1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
I am sorry you don't measure up to God's standards. I am sorry you still sin, but we find it so easy not to sin that it has become part of our everyday life.
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That is not of God whatsoever, also God don't expect His true people to debate over His word.
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Thank goodness you would never engage in that sort of thing, right?
Matthew 7:1-6
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Have you ever actually picked up a Bible ever in your life? Here is one of so many quotes of Jesus debating scriptures..
Matthew 21:23-27
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23 And when he entered the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came up to him as he was teaching, and said, “By what authority are you doing these things, and who gave you this authority?” 24 Jesus answered them, “I also will ask you one question, and if you tell me the answer, then I also will tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 The baptism of John, from where did it come? From heaven or from man?” And they discussed it among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ 26 But if we say, ‘From man,’ we are afraid of the crowd, for they all hold that John was a prophet.” 27 So they answered Jesus, “We do not know.” And he said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.
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The argument goes on for two chapters. Seriously, kid. Try actually reading the freaking book you claim to follow.
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You need to stop with the lies about what is in the Bible!
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05-06-2013, 01:52 PM
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and quoting a bunch of Scriptures to promote your lies that Christians are perfect when that is not true whatsoever!
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Hello Rondesha.
What alternative do you propose to reading and understanding God's instructions as divinely inspired and preserved in the Holy Bible?
How do you gain understanding of what it means to be a Christian?
Do you just make it up as you go along, or do you simply read the Bible with a bottle of white-out at your side to make God's Word conform more closely with your own sense of right and wrong?
Why should we value your misinformed notion of what it means to be a Christian over that which is clearly presented in the Bible?
II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony
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do you simply read the Bible with a bottle of white-out at your side to make God's Word conform more closely with your own sense of right and wrong?
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05-07-2013, 05:48 PM
Agreed. I can't understand how some people can just "forget" all the great things God has done for them and spurn the faithful. I hope that in the future Jesus will open their poor misguided minds.
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Agreed. I can't understand how some people can just "forget" all the great things God has done for them and spurn the faithful. I hope that in the future Jesus will open their poor misguided minds.
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I know! Why, the entire Old Testament is full of stories about people who forgot the great things God has done for them. In the Etheldreda home, we refer to the Old Testament as The Story Of Those Stupid Jews.
By the way, you are most welcome to introduce yourself HERE so we can greet you properly and get to know you!
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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In the Etheldreda home, we refer to the Old Testament as The Story Of Those Stupid Jews.
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Not a lot has changed really! The New Testament just added "cowardly" and "Christ-killing" to their list of flaws.
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09-10-2013, 03:20 PM
"I get so tired of false Christians and atheists claiming we are not."
Well you aren't.
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"I get so tired of false Christians and atheists claiming we are not."
Well you aren't.
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Your persecution reassures us that we are on the Right Path (Matthew 5:12, 2 Corinthians 12:10).
I'll pray for your soul, may God allow you to see the light of Salvation™.
Also, I cannot locate your introduction thread. Please tell us more about yourself, why do you hate Jesus?
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09-10-2013, 11:46 PM
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I get so tired of false Christians and atheists claiming we are not.
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Pastor Jones has so comprehensively laid out the reasons given by God for our perfection. When the scum arrive with their naked assertions like “Well you aren't” and stuff, I wonder from whence commeth their definitions of Christian or perfect or even God.
What is their standard of perfection?
They never submit one. They never back up anything with a reliable source [ HINT: quoting from Aleister Crowley ot nutbag MacGregor Mathers or Madame Blavatsky is not a reliable source or even a source at all, except if wishing to demonstrate what sort of rubbish they write].
EXAMPLE
(Note to Pastor Jones: I am not about to quote Blavatsky, Crowley or MacGregor Mathers)
OK, here's some Velikovsky:
He claims that Venus is a piece of Jupiter bust off and flung thither.
Why?
Because of numerous legends and observations from antiquity.
EVIDENCE (of what Velikovsky claims - i.e. something he wrote himself
this is not evidence for Venus thither flung
it is evidence of what he wrote) "..wars in the celestial sphere that took place in historical times. In these wars the planet earth participated too.
"..The historical-cosmological story of this book is based in the evidence of historical texts of many people around the globe, on classical literature, on epics of the northern races, on sacred books of the peoples of the Orient and Occident, on traditions and folklore of primitive peoples, on old astronomical inscriptions and charts, on archaeological finds, and also on geological and paleontological material."Worlds In Collision 1950
Now it is obvious at once to any Christian that this man is mad. Churchgoers who think the guy is rational or even inspired are not Christians, it follows. Mathematicians have examined his ideas impartially, taking the whole lot on board and working it all out for themselves as a form of entertainment I suppose, including Christian mathematicians. There is a major problem with the maths. It is the current postulated orbit of Venus, that is to say as given by Velikovsky. Apparently there are numerous other problems too (maths problems that is; I will come to other problems at once).
Next up: Geology. One of his claims is that the plagues of ancient Egypt were alien organisms (and gravel) sucked off Venus as it zoomed past the Earth, in his model. Notice in particular his reliance on
• historical texts — classical literature — epics — sacred books — traditions — folklore — old astronomical inscriptions/charts
..therefore we might expect to see some of those quoted, in particular he goes on about Venus not appearing on ancient Chinese star charts so at least I would be extremely interested to see some of those.
MORE EVIDENCE (of what he wrote) "I have excluded…all references to ancient literature, traditions, and folklore; and this I have done with intent, so that careless critics cannot decry the entire work as ‘tales and legends.’ Stones and bones are the only witness."Earth in Upheaval 1956
This is a whole new dimension of nutter. Cite the actual sources? Nope. Why not? Coz youse will all say I'm mad. Evidence I have posted supports the case that Velikovsky was totally off his onion, farther flung even than his Venus from his Zeus. Because it is stuff he wrote himself. But gat we a jot from Matafakin' Ateist above to support that proposition? Not on your Nellie. Down it was plonked, take it or leave it:
I think I will leave it. And nutter goes "oVictoryVictoryGloatPreen" yet ignorant, that without evidence words become more empty than the hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. Matafakin's visage must be more than half sunk, Pastor, by now mere bubbles in the quicksand
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09-12-2013, 03:33 AM
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"I get so tired of false Christians and atheists claiming we are not."
Well you aren't.
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God tells us to expect your kind in these last days.
Jude 1:17-19
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
As for me and my family, we will follow the LORD.
II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
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10-14-2013, 09:41 PM
look at this. Here is how to argue with these people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpNlg2KS8ys
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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10-14-2013, 10:09 PM
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Why was he trying to act like a street-negro?
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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10-15-2013, 04:07 AM
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I thought you said that your "filter" wouldn't let you view porn?
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Why was he trying to act like a street-negro?
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He is just a good old white man from Louisiana. It is the street jigs who are imitating him.
Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.
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12-11-2013, 09:24 AM
Another passage to add to the list:
Heb 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If a True Christian™ were to commit just one sin, he would have nothing to look forward to but an eternity of torment. Just as well we cannot sin (1 Jn 3:9). But I'm so glad the author of Hebrews took the time to tell us what would happen, hypothetically, if we sinned.
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He is just a good old white man from Louisiana. It is the street jigs who are imitating him.
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Very true, brother. I have no doubt that Big Negro will soon be in bed with Big Sodomy to lay the smack down in legitimate, decent Christians
YIC
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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If a True Christian™ were to commit just one sin, he would have nothing to look forward to but an eternity of torment. Just as well we cannot sin (1 Jn 3:9). But I'm so glad the author of Hebrews took the time to tell us what would happen, hypothetically, if we sinned.
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The author of Hebrews? By that you mean Paul, right? Well, Paul also wrote Galatians, and here's what he had to say there:
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Galatians 6:1
Why do true Christians need to fear temptation if they cannot sin? How can someone be restored to righteousness if he or she were not righteous then backslid? And, for the record, I think the people of Landover should carefully consider what it means to restore someone to the faith in the spirit of meekness.
Also, consider the message to the Church in Ephesis in Revelation:
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Revelation 2:2-5
Here we see God welcoming back to the fold a Christian church that has backslid. And they'd better listen, too, because otherwise God will deprive them of their candlestick. What more proof do you need that everyone can partake of salvation?
...as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. Colossians 3:12-14 (emphasis mine)
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The author of Hebrews? By that you mean Paul, right? Well, Paul also wrote Galatians, and here's what he had to say there:
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Galatians 6:1
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Traditionally, authorship of Hebrews is attributed to Paul. Ultimately, it is all God's Word and inspired by the Holy Spirit (2 Tim 3:16).
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Salvation is not something to be taken for granted. On the one hand we know we cannot lose our salvation.
Jn 10:27-29
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
And Paul describes our salvation as a sure and certain thing.
Rom 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Yet he also warns us that it's possible to deceive ourselves into thinking we are saved.
1 Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
If you fall, you were obviously never really standing to begin with; you only thought you were. While we are more than conquerors (Rom 8:37), we should also remember that Jesus saved us just barely enough to escape the fires of hell.
1 Pet 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
This is good reason to fear even though our salvation is certain. Just as the author of Hebrews -- Paul, if you will -- tells us what would hypothetically happen if we sinned just once (Heb 10:26-27), even though that's impossible (1 Jn 3:9), so he also tells us what would hypothetically happen if we lost our salvation, even though that is also impossible (Jn 10:27-29).
Heb 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
In other words, if you lose your salvation, and that's impossible, you would be beyond redemption. I find it interesting to contemplate hypothetical situations like these, and I'm glad God took time in certain places in His Word to tell us what would happen if something impossible happened; otherwise we'd just be left wondering.
God's word inspires me to a confident terror. I'm confident of my salvation in Christ, yet fearfully reverent of the fact that I'm saved by a whisker.
| Mt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
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