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I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
09-04-2012, 07:49 PM
Brothers in CHRIST, I come begging your advice and prayers.
I am currently studying in the book of Genesis, and just this afternoon I was reading the fifth chapter.
As you may know, the 5th chapter of Genesis is the genealogy of Noah, starting all the way back at Adam.
I am not sure what the moral lesson is of this long list of names, but because it is part of the Bible, I decided to read it.
Longing to know more about genealogies and how they can be applied to True Christian living, I went to the internet and started searching for information.
Then, I was reminded of this verse in the book of Titus:
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:9
My heart nearly stopped and I went white as a sheet.
The Bible says not to waste time reading genealogies, and while I wonder how come GOD did not add a line at the beginning of Genesis 5 that says "WARNING, DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING 32 VERSES," it is not my place to question the LORD's ways.
I immediately repented to JESUS that I had broken GOD's law by reading GOD's book, and then fetched a roll of black electrical tape.
I went all through the Bible and taped over all the genealogies I could find so I would never risk reading them again, even by accident.
Then I suddenly remembered the verse in Revelation which warns:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. - Revelation 22:19
Now I have violated Revelation 22:19 by taping over the genealogies that GOD put into the Bible for us not to read.
I'm afraid if I leave the tape on there, I will go to Hell for censoring the word of GOD, and if I try to remove the tape, it will peel the writing right off the page and I'll go to Hell for removing words from the Bible!
Brothers and sisters, please advise me and offer up prayers to Heaven that GOD will forgive me for trying not to read parts of the Bible He doesn't want me to read!
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
09-04-2012, 08:00 PM
Couldn't you just get another Bible? Then you can just read that and avoid the genealogies for the time being until we've sorted this conundrum out.
I'm a bit worried now about the New Testament and the line of Jesus.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
09-04-2012, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist
Couldn't you just get another Bible? Then you can just read that and avoid the genealogies for the time being until we've sorted this conundrum out.
I'm a bit worried now about the New Testament and the line of Jesus.
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Me too.
I'm not sure why the Bible itself would warn us not to read of our precious savior's own genealogy. It's almost as if there's something in there someone would prefer us not to see.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
09-04-2012, 08:28 PM
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Me too.
I'm not sure why the Bible itself would warn us not to read of our precious savior's own genealogy. It's almost as if there's something in there someone would prefer us not to see.
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I am confused by this. I can't understand why God would not want us to read Jesus' genealogy after all He went to the effort of putting it in there twice. I think that Luke and Matthew probably knew the family personally so both wrote it down.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
09-04-2012, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack O'fagan
I am confused by this. I can't understand why God would not want us to read Jesus' genealogy after all He went to the effort of putting it in there twice. I think that Luke and Matthew probably knew the family personally so both wrote it down.
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But why would reading both genealogies be a problem? The Bible is infallible, after all. I think it must mean secular genealogies or something. Genealogies in the Bible have to be perfect and totally without flaw because they come from God. Surely the simple matter of comparing them to each other shows that. They are, after all, identical.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
09-04-2012, 09:31 PM
Since genealogy is a form of evolutionary biology, it makes sense that the Bible would forbid us from studying it. As long as there are no crocoducks in the genealogies, I think it is okay.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
09-04-2012, 09:46 PM
The Titus verse does say it is "vain and unprofitable", not that it is a sin. Just a waste of your time, when you could be praising Jesus or telling others about how not to go to Hell.
So, I see no reason you can't read the genealogies of Jesus . . . I've always found it interesting to note that John the Baptist and Jesus were related!
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Mary, excited that God was going to impregnate her, rushed to visit her cousin Elisabeth. When she got to the house and called out to Elisabeth, the baby (to be John the Baptist) kicked in Elisabeth’s womb. Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost and began to prophesy, asking why “the mother of my Lord” should come visit?
Mary, as might be expected, gave a long monologue about all the great things God had done; not just for her, but for all Israel, and how God also exalts the weak and puts down the mighty and the proud.
Mary then stayed with Elisabeth for three months before going home. (Luke 1:39-56)
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See? Mary and Elisabeth were cousins, which makes Jesus and John the Baptist second cousins!
That's one heck of a family tree, don't you think?
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-19-2012, 06:33 PM
I can see a serious issue here. It is clear that the only course of action is to buy many more bibles and then pray for forgiveness, if you are lucky then you will manage to escape eternal damnation.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-19-2012, 06:37 PM
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I can see a serious issue here. It is clear that the only course of action is to buy many more bibles and then pray for forgiveness, if you are lucky then you will manage to escape eternal damnation.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-19-2012, 06:40 PM
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Friend, we don't believe in "luck" around here. One is either Blessed by the LORD or is not. The question isn't whether or not Brother Bob4God will be "lucky." The question is, was he actually NOT Saved, which is why he so blatantly did not avoid reading genealogies? The problem is, does he need to re-dedicate his life to Christ again in case the last dedications didn't take? Or is he really Saved, in which case, being baptized again would show a lack of faith in Christ, thus revealing his lack of the Fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22)?
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-19-2012, 07:59 PM
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The Titus verse does say it is "vain and unprofitable", not that it is a sin.
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That's technically true, but there is a problem if you actually SPEAK vanity, because that will set God against you:
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 13:8
Also, Ephesians 4:7 bids us:
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind.
We know that Paul meant business when he testified in the Lord. So we should neither speak vanity nor walk in it.
At least here at Landover we don't have to worry about contentions or striving over the law. THAT we would never even consider.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-19-2012, 07:59 PM
As it seems, the black tape must be removed somehow. Maybe it’ll be easier after some preparations? I’m thinking of something like hot steam or maybe putting the Bible in the oven for a while. A heat gun might do the work as well but be sure to keep the distance. If you’re in the possession of a Reversible Plate Compactor you could try to vibrate the tape off.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-21-2012, 07:43 AM
What about giving the Bible to a mohammedan or an atheist? It wouldn't make any difference to them whether they peeled the tape or not. Or they'd probably just burn it or feed it to a camel or something. At least you'd be giving them the opportunity to read it and not get red-herringed into working out their own genealogies. Like Mormoms.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-21-2012, 02:23 PM
Well either two things will happen.
You wont go to hell because you cant go to a place that doesnt exist.
Or you are going to hell because god is really pissed off that you taped his book.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Dear Brother,
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Originally Posted by Bob4God
Then, I was reminded of this verse in the book of Titus:
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:9
My heart nearly stopped and I went white as a sheet.
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"Foolish" modifies both questions, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law. The genealogies in Genesis are, of course, NOT foolish, and hence, not prohibited.
This is in line with 1 Timothy 1:4: "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do."
Not applicable because Genesis is -- of course! -- edifying.
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I went all through the Bible and taped over all the genealogies I could find so I would never risk reading them again, even by accident.
Then I suddenly remembered the verse in Revelation which warns:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. - Revelation 22:19
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The "book of this prophecy" is Revelations, not Genesis. But in any event, I would just lay this Bible aside for God and his angels to deal with, and buy a new one.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-22-2012, 01:13 AM
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But avoid foolish questions , and genealogies , and contentions , and strivings about the law ; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:9.
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"Foolish" modifies both questions, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law. The genealogies in Genesis are, of course, NOT foolish, and hence, not prohibited.
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..so are you saying that a comma before the conjunction in that list of nouns indicates that it is a list of things which are foolish rather than just a list in which foolish questions would be the first item (if it were that type of list but it isn't)?
I've put the semicolon in red because I think it might be significant and we have an expert available on the forum; I'll send her a message.
I do not mean to suggest that any expertise in matters of punctuation indicates a level of authority exceeding that of our Pastors or that a comment regarding semicolons would outweigh The Inerrant Word Of God UNLIKE gibberish we hear from the vatican where lugubrious geriatrics vaunt themselves to a status higher than God Himself if you could produce a cardinal without alzheimers I would be very surprised in fact I'd reckon you'd just bribed someone to deviate in here on their way to a fancy-dress rave party while they waited for the toadstools to start working why would anyone be a catholic I have no idea.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
10-24-2012, 01:25 PM
Brothers and Sisters,
Don't be blinded by fear! When 'scientists' came out with the word "gene" and started their so-called 'experiments', they were knowingly flouting His law. Where did they find this word if not from GENEalogy? Not only Genesis condemns their foul practises but elsewhere also, Psalm 139:13-16.
Do we dare to question His word? Brothers and Sisters, there is no inconsistency: only our own ignorance.
Praise Him!
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
12-01-2012, 09:42 PM
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..so are you saying that a comma before the conjunction in that list of nouns indicates that it is a list of things which are foolish rather than just a list in which foolish questions would be the first item (if it were that type of list but it isn't)?
I've put the semicolon in red because I think it might be significant and we have an expert available on the forum; I'll send her a message.
I do not mean to suggest that any expertise in matters of punctuation indicates a level of authority exceeding that of our Pastors or that a comment regarding semicolons would outweigh The Inerrant Word Of God UNLIKE gibberish we hear from the vatican where lugubrious geriatrics vaunt themselves to a status higher than God Himself if you could produce a cardinal without alzheimers I would be very surprised in fact I'd reckon you'd just bribed someone to deviate in here on their way to a fancy-dress rave party while they waited for the toadstools to start working why would anyone be a catholic I have no idea.
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After an extended sequester in my prayer closet, The Lord has revealed to me that semi-colons are a result of an inappropriate pairing of punctuation formats. Just as The Word of God tells us not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers nor to mix different types of fibres in our clothing or to boil a calf in its mother's milk, so we cannot allow this sort of ambivalence to creep into our usage of God's favorite language, even if it should lead to run on sentences and concomitant eye strain.
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Re: I read the genealogies in Genesis 5, am I going to Hell? -
12-02-2012, 11:00 AM
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After an extended sequester in my prayer closet, The Lord has revealed to me that semi-colons are a result of an inappropriate pairing of punctuation formats. Just as The Word of God tells us not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers nor to mix different types of fibres in our clothing or to boil a calf in its mother's milk, so we cannot allow this sort of ambivalence to creep into our usage of God's favorite language, even if it should lead to run on sentences and concomitant eye strain.
Punctiliously Yours,
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Thank you very much for clearing that up.
English Acts of Parliament (tend to) use only full stops. If possible. It does give rise to longish sentences but the meaning is unambiguous (they say). Are US Laws written that way? Accordingly where commas creep in laws become not unambiguous hence the need for interpretation of bilge like this:
Nuts (unground) (other than ground-nuts)
In the nuts (unground) (other than ground-nuts) order, the expression ‘nuts’ shall have reference to such nuts, other than ground-nuts, as would, but for this amending order, not qualify as nuts (unground) (other than ground-nuts) by reason of their being nuts (unground).The Nuts (unground) (other than ground-nuts) Order
That is an English example. Similarly in Australian Law the inclusion of commas in this long standing provision of the Income Tax Assessment Act renders the lucid obfuscable:
Disposal of nonexistent assets
"A disposal of an asset that did not exist (either by itself or as part of another asset) before the disposal, but is created by the disposal, constitutes a disposal of the asset for the purposes of this Part, but the person who so disposes of the asset shall be deemed not to have paid or given any consideration, or incurred any costs or expenditure, referred to in paragraph 160ZH(1)(a), (b), (c) or (d), (2)(a), (b), (c) or (d) or (3)(a), (b), (c) or (d) in respect of the asset."Income Tax Assessment Act 1936 Section 160M subsection 6
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