[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

There is no god. Refuted. (I can play the game of stating things without any facts to you know, except I actually have evidence of my thoughts and lack of faith.)

If there is god's plan then all future actions and choices have been made by god. This means that you cannot be judged by sin because you have not made any choice but a god has for you. Therefore god has sinned. Refute that.

So based on thoughts and opinions in your head everyone else is wrong and you are right.
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[VictoryOS]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

There is no god. Refuted.

No, NOT refuted. I've yet to see you provide one shred of evidence to back up your outrageous claims.

We have the Bible, God, and Jesus on our side. What's on your side? Some abstract thoughts from your drug-addled brain, none of with are rooted in reality.

Show us some solid proof to back up what you say and I will gladly throw my Bible in the garbage.

[Thomas Dalton]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

There is no god. Refuted. (I can play the game of stating things without any facts to you know, except I actually have evidence of my thoughts and lack of faith.)

If there is god's plan then all future actions and choices have been made by god. This means that you cannot be judged by sin because you have not made any choice but a god has for you. Therefore god has sinned. Refute that.

You have evidence of what you say? Why don't you answer Mr. Rodimer then?
Now you look like a silly 14-year old boy who is retarded and can't read.
Do you want to look like a silly 14-year old boy who is retarded and can't read?

And follow a course in logic please. God cannot sin since His commands do not , and will be judged even though you had no choice in the matter. Why would that be impossible? Those chink governments do it all the time! Whether or not it is fair, is a different matter. NEWSFLASH: God isn't fair to those who insult him.

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

After reading only this part of your wall of text, I can tell you why nobody here is addressing your "points" as though they are serious.

I can with absolute certainty say that you have no clue, whatsoever, about the "science" in which you claim to place your faith.

Carbon dating cannot be used to date things to be "millions of years old". Even the scienticians who promote it as accurate say that it can only date things as far back as about 62,000 years.

Really, all you had to do is look at Wickedpedia, it's in the first sentence:

Dinosaurs are present in the Bible, which you would know if you bothered to read it. What do you think "dragons" are? Or "leviathan" or "behemoth"?

[Alphapwner]

Originally Posted by Thomas Dalton

You have evidence of what you say? Why don't you answer Mr. Rodimer then?
Now you look like a silly 14-year old boy who is retarded and can't read.
Do you want to look like a silly 14-year old boy who is retarded and can't read?

And follow a course in logic please. God cannot sin since His commands do not , and will be judged even though you had no choice in the matter. Why would that be impossible? Those chink governments do it all the time! Whether or not it is fair, is a different matter. NEWSFLASH: God isn't fair to those who insult him.

I've already provided evidence. Though, you've only picked one. Your still wrong.


"The oldest method is stratigraphy, studying how deeply a fossil is buried. Dinosaur fossils are usually found in sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock layers (strata) are formed episodically as earth is deposited horizontally over time. Newer layers are formed on top of older layers, pressurizing them into rocks. Paleontologists can estimate the amount of time that has passed since the stratum containing the fossil was formed. Generally, deeper rocks and fossils are older than those found above them.
Observations of the fluctuations of the Earth's magnetic field, which leaves different magnetic fields in rocks from different geological eras.
Dating a fossil in terms of approximately how many years old it is can be possible using radioisotope-dating of igneous rocks found near the fossil. Unstable radioactive isotopes of elements, such as Uranium-235, decay at constant, known rates over time (its half-life, which is over 700 million years). An accurate estimate of the rock's age can be determined by examining the ratios of the remaining radioactive element and its daughters. For example, when lava cools, it has no lead content but it does contain some radioactive Uranium (U-235). Over time, the unstable radioactive Uranium decays into its daughter, Lead-207, at a constant, known rate (its half-life). By comparing the relative proportion of Uranium-235 and Lead-207, the age of the igneous rock can be determined. Potassium-40 (which decays to argon-40) is also used to date fossils. "


"Radioisotope dating cannot be used directly on fossils since they don't contain the unstable radioactive isotopes used in the dating process. To determine a fossil's age, igneous layers (volcanic rock) beneath the fossil (predating the fossil) and above it (representing a time after the dinosaur's existence) are dated, resulting in a time-range for the dinosaur's life. Thus, dinosaurs are dated with respect to volcanic eruptions. "

This is why I said, Carbon dating, which can also be known as Radioisotope dating as the same method is used.

Also, your the one acting like a child. Throwing insults at me when I've done in return to you or anyone here.

[Jack O'fagan]

You believe this because you have read it in a book and you are not prepared to open your mind to alternative thought.

The oldest rocks are around 6000 years old. That is when God created them. There is strata but this was mainly caused by the flood. The bigger animals such as 'dinosaurs' drowned first that is why their bones are further down in the strata.

This is very basic stuff. You really should spend some time educating yourself.

YIC

Jack

[Thomas Dalton]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

I've already provided evidence. Though, you've only picked one. Your still wrong.


"The oldest method is stratigraphy, studying how deeply a fossil is buried. Dinosaur fossils are usually found in sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock layers (strata) are formed episodically as earth is deposited horizontally over time. Newer layers are formed on top of older layers, pressurizing them into rocks. Paleontologists can estimate the amount of time that has passed since the stratum containing the fossil was formed. Generally, deeper rocks and fossils are older than those found above them.
Observations of the fluctuations of the Earth's magnetic field, which leaves different magnetic fields in rocks from different geological eras.
Dating a fossil in terms of approximately how many years old it is can be possible using radioisotope-dating of igneous rocks found near the fossil. Unstable radioactive isotopes of elements, such as Uranium-235, decay at constant, known rates over time (its half-life, which is over 700 million years). An accurate estimate of the rock's age can be determined by examining the ratios of the remaining radioactive element and its daughters. For example, when lava cools, it has no lead content but it does contain some radioactive Uranium (U-235). Over time, the unstable radioactive Uranium decays into its daughter, Lead-207, at a constant, known rate (its half-life). By comparing the relative proportion of Uranium-235 and Lead-207, the age of the igneous rock can be determined. Potassium-40 (which decays to argon-40) is also used to date fossils. "


"Radioisotope dating cannot be used directly on fossils since they don't contain the unstable radioactive isotopes used in the dating process. To determine a fossil's age, igneous layers (volcanic rock) beneath the fossil (predating the fossil) and above it (representing a time after the dinosaur's existence) are dated, resulting in a time-range for the dinosaur's life. Thus, dinosaurs are dated with respect to volcanic eruptions. "

This is why I said, Carbon dating, which can also be known as Radioisotope dating as the same method is used.

Also, your the one acting like a child. Throwing insults at me when I've done in return to you or anyone here.

Wait.... you say that a derivative of a method is the same as a method itself?
So, if you say you rode around in a wheel yesterday, I have to presume you're meaning you used a car?
I don't think it's beneficial for clear communication to call a car a wheel, do you?

And you still think "14-year old retard" is an insult. If you didn't resort to putting up some smoke screens and using wrong definitions of the words you use to confuse us, you wouldn't have been accused of being a retard, would you?

Now unto your "argument": All lava somehow has no lead whatsoever in it? U-235 (please call it that way, since it's full name is gay propaganda to focus your attention subconsciously on another man's anus. Ur-Anium --> Your Anus, obviously, how did they ever think we would fall for that?) doesn't decay in lava itself?

Atheist propaganda, sir. Try to think for yourself and you'll see that the KJV has much more clear and true answers.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

This is why I said, Carbon dating, which can also be known as Radioisotope dating as the same method is used.

[Alphapwner]

You do understand that Evolution doesn't mean Darwinism right? Darwinism is a theory within the evolution theory.

Also, carbon dating is not the derivative of radioisotope dating. It's the SAME method used but with another element. You changed the method in which it is used when you said a wheel to a car.

Also, yes I do think that being called a 14 year old retard is insulting. I'm not going to resort to name calling and I am just having a calm debate here. If you want to stop debating I'll have no problem leaving. I only came here with an open mind to see your responses.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

I only came here with an open mind to see your responses.

I think you came here because your soul is crying out to God and it knows this place has the Truth.

Confess your sins, assume Jesus as your LORD and Master, stop worrying about being "right" and become "righteous" instead!

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

You do understand that Evolution doesn't mean Darwinism right? Darwinism is a theory within the evolution theory.

Also, carbon dating is not the derivative of radioisotope dating. It's the SAME method used but with another element. You changed the method in which it is used when you said a wheel to a car.

Also, yes I do think that being called a 14 year old retard is insulting. I'm not going to resort to name calling and I am just having a calm debate here. If you want to stop debating I'll have no problem leaving. I only came here with an open mind to see your responses.

Look! You're not welcome. You've just come here to spew your hatred of your Saviour and your love of monkey worship.

You keep on saying you are leaving. If you can't get it in your head that we aren't interested in worshipping monkeys then you may as well get it over with.
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[Thomas Dalton]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

You do understand that Evolution doesn't mean Darwinism right? Darwinism is a theory within the evolution theory.

Also, carbon dating is not the derivative of radioisotope dating. It's the SAME method used but with another element. You changed the method in which it is used when you said a wheel to a car.

Also, yes I do think that being called a 14 year old retard is insulting. I'm not going to resort to name calling and I am just having a calm debate here. If you want to stop debating I'll have no problem leaving. I only came here with an open mind to see your responses.

Sir, to be honest, for us to open our minds, you have to educate yourself a lot more. Since you still think you're right while we're not, while you clearly don't know what you're talking about, is an insult in itself and gives us every right to insult you back.

The word radio-isotope dating itself doesn't specify which element you're using. Only that you're using a radioactive isotope of one or more elements.

If I tell you I'm trying to measure the age of a dead tree with silicon dating, would you think I'm nuts? You should think so, since the age of trees can't be measured with Sicilium dating. And then I tell you, I meant radioisotope dating with C-14. Don't you think it's odd I called it silicon dating then?

And is it customary for atheists to ignore arguments that refute their proof? Oh, wait, of course it is!
I'm still wondering why U-235 doesn't decay in lava itself.

[VictoryOS]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

I think you came here because your soul is crying out to God and it knows this place has the Truth.

Confess your sins, assume Jesus as your LORD and Master, stop worrying about being "right" and become "righteous" instead!

Sister, I've noticed that his "open minded search for answers" has turned more into a vicious attack on our church, our morals, and our Lord God Almighty.

He hasn't accepted a single answer he has been given. He only argues.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Alphatard

I've already provided evidence. Though, you've only picked one. Your still wrong.

"Radioisotope dating cannot be used directly on fossils since they don't contain the unstable radioactive isotopes used in the dating process. To determine a fossil's age, igneous layers (volcanic rock) beneath the fossil (predating the fossil) and above it (representing a time after the dinosaur's existence) are dated, resulting in a time-range for the dinosaur's life. Thus, dinosaurs are dated with respect to volcanic eruptions. "

This is why I said, Carbon dating, which can also be known as Radioisotope dating as the same method is used.

But they aren't the same, Beauty School Dropout. Carbon dating is a specific type of dating, using a specific element. It does not involve radioactive isotopes of Uranium or Potassium.

Saying Carbon dating is the same as Uranium radioisotope dating is like saying a Muslim is the same as a Jew, because they both trace some of their bizarre beliefs to Abraham.

By proving yourself more wrong, you are not proving yourself right. You are only digging yourself deeper and deeper into your hole of stupidity.

Why not just admit you have no clue what you're talking about, and stop trying to be a Wikipedia scholar?

Beauty school dropout, go back to high school.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by VictoryOS

Sister, I've noticed that his "open minded search for answers" has turned more into a vicious attack on our church, our morals, and our Lord God Almighty.

He hasn't accepted a single answer he has been given. He only argues.

Perhaps the vicious attack is against himself? Could it be, he attacks our church because he attacks his church (church of satanism), he attacks our morals because he attacks his morals (or lack thereof), and he attacks our LORD because deep down, his soul is attacking his own lord (Satan):

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Romans 2:1

[Alphapwner]

I see now that everyone is trying to attack me and insult me. There has been no answers but my own. No one has given me a real answer. Your friends still are trying to focus on whether me calling radioisotope dating, carbon dating is wrong. Which it doesn't matter that much. All the other answers I've put forth were ignored.

I'll take my leave because this is a waste of time. It's hard to have a logical debate with someone who rather insult and degrade than give answers. Good luck in your search for knowledge, which seems to have already stopped.

Good bye.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

I see now that everyone is trying to attack me and insult me. There has been no answers but my own. No one has given me a real answer. Your friends still are trying to focus on whether me calling radioisotope dating, carbon dating is wrong. Which it doesn't matter that much. All the other answers I've put forth were ignored.

I'll take my leave because this is a waste of time. It's hard to have a logical debate with someone who rather insult and degrade than give answers. Good luck in your search for knowledge, which seems to have already stopped.

Good bye.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Jesus called you here and now He is expelling you for blasphemy.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya on the way out.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

I see now that everyone is trying to attack me and insult me. There has been no answers but my own. No one has given me a real answer. Your friends still are trying to focus on whether me calling radioisotope dating, carbon dating is wrong. Which it doesn't matter that much. All the other answers I've put forth were ignored.

I'll take my leave because this is a waste of time. It's hard to have a logical debate with someone who rather insult and degrade than give answers. Good luck in your search for knowledge, which seems to have already stopped.

Good bye.

Enjoy Hell!

If you decide you don't want this as your future:

try reading the Bible instead of misunderstanding Wikipedia and whining that your being wrong only proves you are right.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

I see now that everyone is trying to attack me and insult me...

If you were actually a Christian, you'd be happy about that, instead of getting all butthurt.

2 Timothy 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

...Good luck in your search for knowledge, which seems to have already stopped...

Seeking of earthly knowledge is in vain (which you'd know, if you read your Bible).

1 Corinthians 13:12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

[Thomas Dalton]

Originally Posted by Alphapwner

I see now that everyone is trying to attack me and insult me. There has been no answers but my own. No one has given me a real answer. Your friends still are trying to focus on whether me calling radioisotope dating, carbon dating is wrong. Which it doesn't matter that much. All the other answers I've put forth were ignored.

I'll take my leave because this is a waste of time. It's hard to have a logical debate with someone who rather insult and degrade than give answers. Good luck in your search for knowledge, which seems to have already stopped.

Good bye.

It's our fault you keep using a word wrong, and refusing to admit, that maybe, just maybe, you did indeed use the word wrong? If you had admitted you screwed up, then we could have moved on. Now I didn't see the point.

What use is a debate if one side refuses to acknowledge an indisputable fact?
Do you really think we could have convinced you of something, if convincing you you keep using a word wrong is already impossible.

Why would we try then, if it was impossible?

Good riddance I say. Try to grow up before trying to participate in a debate again.

[Surreal]

I am Atheist. First: it isn't because I'm lost, or trying to rebel against society to prove my independence as a maturing human. Second: very personal reasons brought me to where I am today. Third: my mother is a devoted Christian.

I love her unconditionally and accept her for everything she is. She will say the same about me.

She has taught me everything I know about the Bible and about God... yet ever since I was a little kid I just never had that unbreakable faith and belief that He does exist. I ran into issues around the age of 16 regarding my sexuality. Pure terror filled me when I realized I am homosexual... every where you turn, people are bashing 'the gays' out of ignorance and fear. Unfortunately, I see Christians in the frontlines. What ensued was severe depression, manic thoughts, and outright anger. I kept falling, kept falling, kept falling until one day I decided to open up to her. I told her everything and she didn't even flinch. All she said was, "You're still my son, I'll love you no matter what." Then she asked me where I stood on my faith. I replied with, "What faith?" and that remains today. Since, I have managed to drag myself out of that horrible depression and have done a 180. I wake up every day with a smile on my face that lasts until I go to sleep. Thanks to the support of my family and friends and nothing more.

She always says to me, "Son, you don't have to believe in my God, but I want you to know that no matter who you are, God will always have a place for you. He holds mansions in heaven for all good people, whether they are homosexual, of a different religion, or have been lost their entire life. He created us. He loves those of us who work every day at being better people. End of story."

I believe she is a true Christian. Religion shouldn't be used as a gavel to persecute any one person or their lifestyle. It should simply be used as a guideline to grow as a person and be the best you that you can be. This entire debate makes me sick to my stomach. 'Atheists' trying to tear down the Christians and vice versa. Live and let live.