[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by demosfen

That would be blowing candles and making a birthday wish

Correlation is not causation, dear. Please provide evidence that blowing candles on a birthday cake is, in fact, the magic action which purpose is to fulfill a wish. Because out of several hypotheses (that I'm aware of) on the origin of the blowing candles custom, none suggests a magical action that you are implying.

Two, why do you assume that every person who does celebrate their birthday blows out candles and makes wishes?

Also, there is the little matter of the fact that even Jesus received birthday gifts (Matthew 2:11). If He celebrated His birthday, why cannot we celebrate ours?

[Jim Farmer]

Originally Posted by demosfen

That would be blowing candles and making a birthday wish

That sort of making a wish is a prayer, an appeal to God, or at worst, a hope. It is not an incantation to Satan or false gods. Where did you come across such rubbish?
And celebration of a birthday does not necessarily involve a cake with candles and blowing them out, let alone making a wish while blowing them out. I think the last time I did that was when I was 9 years old, but I still celebrate my birthday each year.

[demosfen]

That the magi brought gifts when Jesus was born doesn't imply that Jesus celebrated birthdays, or any pagan holy days for that matter. That was the occasion when Jesus was born, rather than the annual birthday according to witches custom
The idea that the son of God would celebrate a pagan holy day doesn't fly. The only 2 persons in the Bible stated for sure to celebrate their birthday were 1) Herod and 2) the Egyptian pharaon. Both infidels

[Jim Farmer]

Please explain why Hand Maiden's birthday has suddenly become a pagan holy day.

[Faith_Machine]

Stop. Just STOP! Demosfen, you have completely derailed what was supposed to be a nice birthday thread for one of the sweetest members of our church.

I just thank the Lord Jesus that she has not yet arrived to witness you defecating all over her birthday, because I know she will burst into tears if she sees your hateful posts without first being warned about them.

You should be ashamed of yourself for ruining somebody's birthday.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by demosfen

That the magi brought gifts when Jesus was born doesn't imply that Jesus celebrated birthdays, or any pagan holy days for that matter. That was the occasion when Jesus was born, rather than the annual birthday according to witches custom

They were wise men (Matthew 2:1), not some "magi." Are you implying that Jesus was receiving gifts from sorcerers? Now, that would be weird!

The idea that the son of God would celebrate a pagan holy day doesn't fly.

Then, why did God allow the wise men to 1) know Jesus was born 2) realize it was worth celebrating, and 3) find Him and give Him His birthday presents?

The only 2 persons in the Bible stated for sure to celebrate their birthday were 1) Herod and 2) the Egyptian pharaon. Both infidels

... And Jesus. Definitely not an infidel.

[demosfen]

Originally Posted by Jim Farmer

Please explain why Hand Maiden's birthday has suddenly become a pagan holy day.

it's been pagan for ages

Gen. 40:20 And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Jim Farmer

Please explain why Hand Maiden's birthday has suddenly become a pagan holy day.

Originally Posted by demosfen

it's been pagan for ages

Just in case you run of things to grasp at, here's plenty more:

[demosfen]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

why did God allow the wise men to 1) know Jesus was born 2) realize it was worth celebrating, and 3) find Him and give Him His birthday presents?

because that was the day Jesus was born. It's a pretty good occasion to celebrate, another one would be a wedding. You are missing the difference between Jesus and the Sun god. The sun god is born every year on winter solstice. Jesus was born once. So the heathen celebrate birthdays once a year, and true Christians (not to be confused with True Christians TM) celebrate it once per life. (And we don't do birthday wishes, cakes nor any abominable thing of course)

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by demosfen

because that was the day Jesus was born. It's a pretty good occasion to celebrate, another one would be a wedding.

....and so is a wedding anniversary, right?

You are missing the difference between Jesus and the Sun god. The sun god is born every year on winter solstice. Jesus was born once.

I'm confused. Why are you bringing a pagan deity into all this? (I mean, they don't even share an actual birthday date, as Christmas is not celebrated the day of winter solstice).

You talk an awful lot about pagan religions for someone who claims to be Christian!

So the heathen celebrate birthdays once a year, and true Christians (not to be confused with True Christians TM) celebrate it once per life. (And we don't do birthday wishes, cakes nor any abominable thing of course)

I'll agree with you that cakes are abominable, but it's due to really high corn syrup content in the frosting.

Oh, please do find me a Bible verse that states that cakes are abominable!!

BTW, you've failed to establish why birthday wishes and candles would be actually forbidden, too.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by demosfen

That would be blowing candles and making a birthday wish

Friend, we are not in the least bit interested in your sexual deviancy. No one cares one iota about the effects of dripping hot wax on your scrotum.

[Jim Farmer]

Originally Posted by demosfen

because that was the day Jesus was born. It's a pretty good occasion to celebrate, another one would be a wedding. You are missing the difference between Jesus and the Sun god. The sun god is born every year on winter solstice. Jesus was born once. So the heathen celebrate birthdays once a year, and true Christians (not to be confused with True Christians TM) celebrate it once per life. (And we don't do birthday wishes, cakes nor any abominable thing of course)

I dealt with this tripe on page 1 of this thread. You ignored it.

Originally Posted by Jim Farmer

Since when have people's birthdays been "pagan holy days"?
Christian holy days are celebrated on the calendar year, the same as birthdays. There is no less reliance on what you term as "astrology" for their existence, than there is for birthdays.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

But your definition of "astrology" is totally skewed to suit the JW agenda. It would seem that you define astrology as the measurement of time. This is clearly wrong as God put the light in the firmament just for that purpose.
I'm sorry my friend, but you have been brainwashed by the JW cult.

I might also refer to you to this thread on what we think of astrology.

It is the stars in the firmament that God put there that determine what a year is - not some pagan whatever. How about you read the Bible.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

...really high corn syrup content in the frosting. ...

Corn syrup?

Oh, honey, fire/disfellowship/banish whoever taught you that!

You'll get much better results (maybe even a husband, who knows?) with any of these methods: http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Frosting. What do they all have in common? NO CORN SYRUP.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Corn syrup?

Oh, honey, fire/disfellowship/banish whoever taught you that!

You'll get much better results (maybe even a husband, who knows?) with any of these methods: http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Frosting. What do they all have in common? NO CORN SYRUP.

Honey, once you had a European-style butter-based cake filling/frosting (like this one), you will never go back to a sugary frosting.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Honey, once you had a European-style butter-based cake filling/frosting (like this one), you will never go back to a sugary frosting.

Any corn syrup in there? No, and that was my point. When you say things like:

...I'll agree with you that cakes are abominable, but it's due to really high corn syrup content in the frosting...

It implies that you thought all frostings contain corn syrup, and I'm happy to hear that is not now the case.

[demosfen]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

you've failed to establish why birthday wishes and candles would be actually forbidden, too.

I've never claimed to fail to establish the connection, to me it's obvious. The customs of men are worthless according to the Bible. If you came up with the birthday ritual yourself that's one thing, but if you picked up this custom from your parents, Zombi TV or some such secular humanist source, that would make it vain. If you love Jesus without reservation, I am sure you can establish why birthday rituals would be forbidden with very little research

We should examine our consciousness and accept the truth unconditionally no matter what our denominations teach. My denomination is as bad as yours but we shouldn't let organized religion in the way of salvation. God bless

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by demosfen

I've never claimed to fail to establish the connection, to me it's obvious. The customs of men are worthless according to the Bible. If you came up with the birthday ritual yourself that's one thing, but if you picked up this custom from your parents, Zombi TV or some such secular humanist source, that would make it vain. If you love Jesus without reservation, I am sure you can establish why birthday rituals would be forbidden with very little research

I am not familiar with "Zombi TV" or other secular humanist sources (? whatever that means, btw). However, I am deeply interested in your definition of ritual. Do you think the same of, like, washing my teeth daily ritual? Combing my hair daily ritual? Washing my hands after going to the bathroom ritual? I've certainly learned these things from my parents. They are rituals in the same sense as birthday celebration is ("an act or series of acts regularly repeated in a set precise manner," source). Should all these things be forbidden, too?

We should examine our consciousness and accept the truth unconditionally no matter what our denominations teach. My denomination is as bad as yours but we shouldn't let organized religion in the way of salvation. God bless

Sweetie, as long as you follow the actual Bible and don't make stuff up as you go, I'm fine with that.

[demosfen]

this is just hilarious, you are accusing ME of making stuff up. Please open your KJV on the page where believers are commanded to keep birthday holy. Or else hold your peace

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by demosfen

this is just hilarious, you are accusing ME of making stuff up. Please open your KJV on the page where believers are commanded to keep birthday holy. Or else hold your peace

If you can't mind your manners, I'm afraid you're going to be asked to leave.

You are making extraordinary claims with zero Scripture to back it up...I would suggest you change that dynamic.

[demosfen]

brother, I don't have to prove negative. It's up to you cite the verse that commands believers to keep birthday holy. If you can't, accept the truth and repent. Don't hold anything other than the word of God dear to your heart please. God bless you