[Arbiter Of Truth]

The more I study science, the more I believe in God. Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. The creation that ignores its own universe dishonors the creator.


Science like nature, must also be tamed. Its not immune to our imagination. Forming a world. A stare of integrity it will surly help us along. Science is the laws and enforcers that God gave to the fabric of creation. A logical system that always makes sense. If anything based on his creation God is a mathematician. If 2 + 2 = 4 all else from 0 to advanced chemistry follow.

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

We know the Earth is flat because the Bible tells us so. But for those of you skeptical, close-minded types that flat out refuse to accept the overwhelming Biblical evidence, I have designed some experiments you can do at home that will show you, before your very eyes, that the world is indeed flat, and not spherical as some crazy scientists proclaim. It's amazing how many people blindly believe in a spherical Earth, without ever having seen it for themselves! I intend to change that.


1) Jump!
Now, scientists claim that Earth is spherical and rotating at a speed of between 700-1000 miles per hour, depending on your latitude. This is a very high rate of speed. You can disprove this nonsense by simply jumping up as high as you can. Really, it's that simple. What happens when you jump? You come straight down to where you were. But, if the Earth were indeed spinning at such a fast speed, wouldn't you land hundreds of feet away?

If you were to stand in the flat bed of a truck going 75 mph, and jump straight up, what would happen? You wouldn't fall straight down. You would fall out of the truck. That's because trucks move, the Earth doesn't. This experiment proves the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't move.


2) Blow!
Since if the Earth is supposedly a sphere, it naturally comes to assume what would happen to people below the equator, like in Australia? Since they are underneath the sphere, wouldn't they fall off? This is where scientists come up with mumbo-jumbo like "gravity" and "centrifugal force" to explain away their theories. So, the scientists want you to think that because the earth is so much more massive than people or things, that people will naturally "stick" to the bottom of the earth because of gravity.

This can be disproved very simply. Get a balloon and inflate it as big as possible. It will be a spherical shape. Now, take a piece of paper and try to rip, tear, or cut the tiniest speck of paper possible. This paper represents a human being, much smaller in mass to the balloon, which represents the Earth. Now try and place the small piece of paper to the underside of the balloon. What happens? It falls off!

That's right. Even though the balloon is so much bigger in mass, it cannot hold the tiny paper. So if the Earth was a sphere, no one could live below the equator because they would fall off.


3) Get High!
Ok, this one you really can't do at home, but you can do it out in the world. Stand on the ground and look around you. What's the farthest you can see? Maybe it's a building, tree, or mountain. Now, find some place very close to it where you can get a much higher vantage point. (This also works if you're on a jet and about to take off.) Notice how in the higher place you can see much farther? You can see more of the world the higher you get. This shows the world is flat because the higher you go, the easier it is to see over obstacles. At the same time, it shows the world cannot be spherical. Because if the world was curved, the far distance would forever remain out of view because of the Earth's curvature. It would eternally be over the horizon.

If the Earth was a sphere, it would not matter how high you went, you would still see the same thing. Since this is not the case, the Earth is flat.


These experiments are all confirmed by creation scientists as being 100% accurate. If you're skeptical of the flat Earth, why don't you do these experiments so you can see truth with your own eyes.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Jim Osborne

God, known of us will ever understand him until we die and are judged so don't try to be his Arbiter. Just be a kind person and spread the Lords word of peace among men. Be kind to those who are evil so that they can see that the Lord loves them. Don't hate (1 John 4;20, If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.)



Ok lets be reasonable. If gravity is real then gravity is a property of extremely large object such as the earth. Things with mass are pulled to the center of the earth because it has a extremely large dent in space. A balloon does not have the mass of the earth.

Next thing, The season the we do not fall of the Earth when it is spinning is because the force of gravity pulling us in is stronger then the force pulling you in.

The curvature of the Earth is 8 inches a mile.

Proof, you can see the sail of a ship before the hall as it sails over the horizon.


Know science it is just truth. If you believe science is full of crap then remember your using a computer. I don't even have to tell you that your using a device that's as smart as a small child powered by the vibration of sub atomic partials.

[Jack O'fagan]

"Proof, you can see the sail of a ship before the hull as it sails over the horizon."

You are aware that objects look smaller the the further they are away??

An observer is looking over the top of the waves. A boat that is close would appear big and therefore only a portion of its hull would be obscured. Now obviously a distant boat would appear to be smaller and therefore would have all of its hull obscured by the waves.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to an adult.

YIC

Jack

[MitzaLizalor]

@Arbiter Of Truth I can't seem to find your intro thread

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Arbiter Of Truth

Know science it is just truth. If you believe science is full of crap then remember your using a computer. I don't even have to tell you that your using a device that's as smart as a small child powered by the vibration of sub atomic partials.

I believe that the Holy Bible gives evidence that God approves of computers.

Ex:38:21: This is the sum of the tabernacle, even of the tabernacle of testimony, as it was counted, according to the commandment of Moses, for the service of the Levites, by the hand of Ithamar, son to Aaron the priest.

This is summing – adding things up to get a True / False answer.


Now look at this:

Le:25:29: And if a man sell a dwelling house in a walled city, then he may redeem it within a whole year after it is sold; within a full year may he redeem it.
Le:25:30: And if it be not redeemed within the space of a full year, then the house that is in the walled city shall be established for ever to him that bought it throughout his generations: it shall not go out in the jubile.
Le:25:31: But the houses of the villages which have no wall round about them shall be counted as the fields of the country: they may be redeemed, and they shall go out in the jubile.

And here we see conditional summing - =IF(Houses<Walls,SUM(H:H’), TRUE,IF(WALL=0, JUBILE),IF(HOUSE=CITY, TRUE),JUBILE))



I do not think there is a clearer example of the hint from God that Computers would be Godly.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Arbiter Of Truth

Ok lets be reasonable. If gravity is real then gravity is a property of extremely large object such as the earth. Things with mass are pulled to the center of the earth because it has a extremely large dent in space. A balloon does not have the mass of the earth.

Next thing, The season the we do not fall of the Earth when it is spinning is because the force of gravity pulling us in is stronger then the force pulling you in.

The curvature of the Earth is 8 inches a mile.

Proof, you can see the sail of a ship before the hall as it sails over the horizon.

You have extolled gravity.
Rays come out of our eyes so that we can see things.
These rays are affected by gravity, in the same way a bullet or a rock is.
The rays fall to the sea's surface and thus the higher parts of the ship are visible longer - same goes for the way the sun appears to "set".

[Jack O'fagan]

'Arbiter of Truth' what have you posted but thinly disguised breast and exposed nipple erotica.

You should be ashamed. You have a filthy mind.

Repent

YIC

Jack

[scarecrow117]

you all cant be that stupid can you ?? the world is round just like every other planet in our universe and others people have been to spaceand seen earth learn your facts

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by scarecrow117

you all cant be that stupid can you ?? the world is round just like every other planet in our universe and others people have been to spaceand seen earth learn your facts

How did those "space travellers" penetrate The Firmament? You disrespect ancient texts, from what I can make out, yet base quite a lot of your comments on writings from Kepler, Copernicus and the Pythagorean schools of heathen philosophy.

[Aerospace Engineer]

Working on my Masters in Aerospace Engineering, yes rocket science. I can disprove these experiments and theories with very thoughtful and knowledgable arguments. There are hundreds of thousands of good people, such as myself, using the known science and physics to solve real world problems and engineering actual real world applications that are used by society. There's no hoax involved with a global view of the earth. You people are damning these people as the devil in the name of a savior and God, which you only prove to yourselves to be real based on words in a book and pure emotions. I feel sorry that you guys are "damning" yourselves to the religious hoax. I know I'm not going to convince anybody anything here. The brain washing going on in Christianity is beyond repair. I hope that when we die, there is a true enlightenment that reveals the truth of the Universe. Only then will you realize that you wasted your one shot at living on this beautiful rock, this oasis of life.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Aerospace Engineer

...There are hundreds of thousands of good people, such as myself, using the known science and physics to solve real world problems and engineering actual real world applications that are used by society. There's no hoax involved with a global view of the earth. You people are damning these people as the devil in the name of a savior and God, which you only prove to yourselves to be real based on words in a book and pure emotions. I feel sorry that you guys are "damning" yourselves to the religious hoax. I know I'm not going to convince anybody anything here. The brain washing going on in Christianity is beyond repair. I hope that when we die, there is a true enlightenment that reveals the truth of the Universe. Only then will you realize that you wasted your one shot at living on this beautiful rock, this oasis of life.

Dear Sinner,


I was initially hopeless when I looked at your post. However, after we resolve some issues (bold typeface), I also found unexpected hope (bold red typeface) in your reply. Please, let me elaborate:

1. Your first assertion is just an ad populum argument. We are well aware that the majority of the Earth's population does not agree with us. Jesus has explained this in detail. However, ad populum is a fallacy, as the number of adherents does not make a claim to be true. In addition, you are referring to yourself and some unknown persons as authorities. This is an appeal to authority, again, a fallacy. Even if Mr. Stalin and all the members of the Communist party (in millions) told something, it could still be true or false. Truth™ does not depend on numbers.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

2. Yes, there is a hoax but you are the target. God sends powerful delusions to sinners, and I presume that also the observations and data received by machinery, telescopes and computers are skewed and twisted to make you believe atheist fiction. Jesus tells us this, as well!

Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

3. based on this, you must believe that the Bible is not "only" a Book. It is the actual pure message transmitted directly from God. You cannot trust your eyes, even secular science knows this. You cannot trust your memories, either. But you CAN trust the Bible in its perfect KJV form!

Psalms 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

4. There is hope. We agree! The Truth™ will be revealed VERY SOON, as the earth approaches its destruction and Jesus is ready to close down this Creation!

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

I only hope that you will choose Jesus before that to avoid some unpleasant ramifications of unbelief!



Matthew 13:50
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Still, there is hope. Now after you've considered all that, you are ready to see how clearly the nature of the Earth is revealed in the Bible!




Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

No matter how high a mountain, you cannot see the whole circular world from it. It has to be flat for the visual effect to be complete. No matter how rough the surface of a circular world, it has no corners.

You have provided absolutely no proof for your assertion. Jesus has provided us with several magnificent verses. The choice is easy. We choose Jesus. He is magnificent and He will lead us home to Heaven very, very soon!




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Aerospace Engineer]

I never referred to any authority. I know and believe because I have, myself designed working technology and am performing research with my own hands, eyes, ears, and brain. I write mathematic code with my own hands, I run simulations and experiments with my own intellect. Are you saying the devil reaches into my program and data, and manipulates it into a lie? I verify that my data and designs are true and accurate, which rely nothing on jesus, because I see it myself. Not because a population or authority told me so. You should turn your response inwards. Are you not led to believe Jesus is white and the lord is your savior because your preacher authority and population tells you so? Believing the earth is flat IS a powerful delusion. There were no pictures or painting of jesus when he was living, but the paintings and statues you look at every day depict a white jesus, because christianity is predominately a white faith. Jesus, nor god, wrote the bible. Regular people such as ourselves wrote the bible, it is a book. These are only a few fallacies that you have let yourself believe. You tell me I can't trust my eyes or memory, but are insisting the earth is flat because that is what you see, and read. Your train of thought is quite hypocritical. Believing in god doesn't put you above logic.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Aerospace Engineer

I never referred to any authority. I know and believe because I have, myself designed working technology and am performing research with my own hands, eyes, ears, and brain. I write mathematic code with my own hands, I run simulations and experiments with my own intellect. Are you saying the devil reaches into my program and data, and manipulates it into a lie? I verify that my data and designs are true and accurate, which rely nothing on jesus, because I see it myself. Not because a population or authority told me so. You should turn your response inwards. Are you not led to believe Jesus is white and the lord is your savior because your preacher authority and population tells you so? Believing the earth is flat IS a powerful delusion. There were no pictures or painting of jesus when he was living, but the paintings and statues you look at every day depict a white jesus, because christianity is predominately a white faith. Jesus, nor god, wrote the bible. Regular people such as ourselves wrote the bible, it is a book. These are only a few fallacies that you have let yourself believe. You tell me I can't trust my eyes or memory, but are insisting the earth is flat because that is what you see, and read. Your train of thought is quite hypocritical. Believing in god doesn't put you above logic.

Clearly, proper usage and grammar is not part of the engineering curriculum at your alma mater. However, I believe your failure to capitalize the J and G in God and Jesus is meant as an insult to our understanding and our faith. Your logic is the false logic of secularism. Why don't you forgo the pseudointellectual babble and tell us about your time with Jesus? What is your congregation? Who is your pastor? We ask that all who come here have the decency to make a proper introduction. We shall await yours with bated breath. God Bless!

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Originally Posted by Aerospace Engineer

Jesus, nor god, wrote the bible. Regular people such as ourselves wrote the bible, it is a book. These are only a few fallacies that you have let yourself believe. You tell me I can't trust my eyes or memory, but are insisting the earth is flat because that is what you see, and read. Your train of thought is quite hypocritical. Believing in god doesn't put you above logic.

Yes it does.

2 Timothy 3:15-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible is the only absolute standard of truth. You are either lying or have not read it when you claim it was written by men, because it says right in there that God wrote it. He signed His own work. Scientists often discover things that aren't in the Bible, and that is fine -- but when science and God's Word are at odds with each other, the science must go! If I observe something that contradicts the Bible, I will believe the Bible over my own eyes every single time.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Aerospace Engineer

I never ... I know and believe ... I have ... myself ... am ... my own ... I write ... I run ... I verify ... my data ... I see ... myself ... I ....

You are very fond of the perpendicular pronoun, aren't you? This is exactly what an appeal to authority is: you make assertions based on your opinions but fail to refer to actual data. We have only your personal authority to back your claims. We always refer to data, so your tu quoque fallacy fails, as expected. But this ourburst of yours is a feeble low-case-letter rant when we compare it to the Magnificent Grunt of God in Exodus 3:14!

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.



You are simply claiming that your assertions are True because you tell us so. Why should the experiences and observations of True Christians™ be of less value? And, yes, before you start about "circular reasoning", I (sic!) can tell you that based on a lot of research (this is a reference; thus, it is data based on observations), the Bible is supported by lots of evidence independent of Scripture.

I also don't accept your racism, the claim that colored Hamites could not be saved! Many black people have accepted Jesus and given up their pigment for God's Grace. This has nothing to do with the color of Jesus, which is clearly stated in the Bible. Yes, here is a reference. We do not have to rely on our experience to know the Truth™.

Revelation 1:14
His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Of course, we can also give testimonials. I surmise you give them equal power compared to your testimony. I can personally testify that I have seen many miracles take place. Many sick people have been healed. High fevers have subsided. I have personally visited quite a few restaurants with homosexual people present and despite the thick concentration of the AIDS contagion I have not been infected. I have driven countless miles spreading the good Gospel and I have never had fatal accidents. These are living testimonials of the exquisite power of Jesus. Because I pray. Yes, I also use the first-person pronoun because that seems to be your principal form of evidence. God uses it also. See above. And I am now praying for you, too! Rest assured! Your posts are for the moment all about you. But, do not despair! We love you enough to persist in our quest to Save you from Hellfire despite the constant persecution.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Aerospace Engineer]

So Timothy wrote that all scriptures are given by the influence of god.

That means that Timothy, a man, admitted that he was under the influence of god when writing this, and all other authors as well. He simply was influenced by believing in god. He never says god told the writers exactly what to write down. If you don't admit Timothy is a man that wrote this on his own intuition, then that must mean you think that....

GASP*** Timothy IS GOD!!!!

But I thought jesus was god, or so says the bible.

Dude... You're going to hell.

Maybe you do need to believe your eyes before the bible, or else you will burn.


Sweet picture of a white jesus carrying a shotgun in front of the confederate flag. Was that in the bible too? You really do know truth.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Aerospace Engineer

. If you don't admit Timothy is a man that wrote this on his own intuition, then that must mean you think that....

GASP*** Timothy IS GOD!!!!

Ah, a straw man! You are fighting back but Jesus will eventually overcome your feeble resistance. I am sure that you will one day join us. A Straw Man - twisting the opponent's message and then attacking the twisted message instead of the original one.

Exodus 23:1
Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

God is omnipotent. He can make a man transmit His Words perfectly. Any other option makes no sense. Why would He dictate His Commands imperfectly?

Can you see? Jesus is calling you more than ever. He whispered and invited you to join our Forum. I call it - a Miracle!




Yours in Christ

Elmer

[Aerospace Engineer]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

Clearly, proper usage and grammar is not part of the engineering curriculum at your alma mater. However, I believe your failure to capitalize the J and G in God and Jesus is meant as an insult to our understanding and our faith. Your logic is the false logic of secularism. Why don't you forgo the pseudointellectual babble and tell us about your time with Jesus? What is your congregation? Who is your pastor? We ask that all who come here have the decency to make a proper introduction. We shall await yours with bated breath. God Bless!

Selective vision is apparent. You do see some truth.

I have never had time with jesus, neither have you, and neither have any of your religious rulers that rake in your money, tax free. You may think in your psuedologic and emotionally driven group gatherings that he has spoke to you, but he hasn't.

I already gave my introduction.

[Aerospace Engineer]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

Ah, a straw man! You are fighting back but Jesus will eventually overcome your feeble resistance. I am sure that you will one day join us. A Straw Man - twisting the opponent's message and then attacking the twisted message instead of the original one.

Exodus 23:1
Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

God is omnipotent. He can make a man transmit His Words perfectly. Any other option makes no sense. Why would He dictate His Commands imperfectly?

Can you see? Jesus is calling you more than ever. He whispered and invited you to join our Forum. I call it - a Miracle!




Yours in Christ

Elmer

No miracles occurred sir, and jesus definitely didn't whisper in my ear. Sorry that you want to believe that. I simply google searched "flat earth proof" and this popped up. I laughed for about an hour reading through the threads. I just had to jump in.

I can't believe this state of mind truly exists in this country. Your type is becoming smaller and smaller each year. This planet will be better off when extremist religious factions finally go away. That's right, I'm putting you in the same category as terrorists.


Yes, you are extreme and racist terrorists. You call for the extermination of non white people in Africa, dolphins, and left handed people. Bahahahaha. Yes I'm referring to your orientation page.

And you called me racist....

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Originally Posted by Aerospace Engineer

So Timothy wrote that all scriptures are given by the influence of god.

That means that Timothy, a man, admitted that he was under the influence of god when writing this, and all other authors as well. He simply was influenced by believing in god. He never says god told the writers exactly what to write down. If you don't admit Timothy is a man that wrote this on his own intuition, then that must mean you think that....

GASP*** Timothy IS GOD!!!!

But I thought jesus was god, or so says the bible.

That passage is from Paul's Second Epistle to Timothy. The words were written by the Apostle Paul while under the influence of the Holy Ghost -- not just his own belief. If it helps, you can think of Paul as a Holy Ghostwriter. He was certainly a man of God, but we don't say that he was God just because God used him as a vessel for His Word. That would be blasphemy.

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The same goes for the authors of the Gospels, as well Joshua, Daniel, Isaiah, and so on. The words they wrote are really God's words, and He is also the ultimate editor, compiling the books of the Bible together and ensuring that they (in the form of the KJV1611) are not tampered with.

Sweet picture of a white jesus carrying a shotgun in front of the confederate flag. Was that in the bible too? You really do know truth.

The picture is a political statement -- basically, it says God is a Republican. In the Bible, He kills people with a sword.

Revelation 19:15-16
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Revelation 19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Aerospace Engineer

Selective vision is apparent. You do see some truth.

I have never had time with jesus, neither have you, and neither have any of your religious rulers that rake in your money, tax free. You may think in your psuedologic and emotionally driven group gatherings that he has spoke to you, but he hasn't.

I already gave my introduction.

You are insolent and rude. While you capitalize some letters appropriately, you purposely avoid the capitol "J" which goes with the proper name "Jesus". This is by design in order to exhibit your rude tendencies and to demonstrate your disrespect for the Lord God and His word. That is, no doubt, noticed by Jesus and you will eventually have an opportunity to explain yourself to Him; and probably sooner rather than later.