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Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-22-2010, 02:54 PM
Well, it seems that the 'Voyager' 'space'craft is about to leave the 'solar system' . Can't they even see the non-unrefudiateable contradictions of their 'evidence'?
Particles moving sidewards? Please! Think of the obvious answers to this real new Tower of Babel scam! How can there be a flow of interstellar wind!
More like a lot in interstinal wind if you ask me.
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NASA: Voyager 1 is leaving the Solar System
December 14, 2010
The U.S. space agency NASA reported that “The Voyager 1 space probe robot farthest from the Earth, reached a new milestone in its attempt to explore the limits of the Solar System.”
And “the most distant spacecraft from Earth reached an important point in its effort to leave the Solar System, as we detect it is about to enter into interstellar space.”
17,400 million miles awat from Earth, the probe detected a significant change in the flow of particles that surround it. This means that the Voyager should be very close to crossing the barrier into interstellar space.
Edward Stone, project scientist, said “the ship is still producing 33 years after its launch.”
“When we launched the Voyager, the space age was just 20 years, so there was no way of knowing that the probe would last long.”
“We did not know how much you had to travel to get out of the Solar System.”
“Now we know that in more or less in five years, we’ll come out.”
The ship was sent on September 5, 1977 and its initial goal along with its brother, Voyager II, was to explore the planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune, a task that was completed in 1989, soon to go outer space, towards the center of our galaxy, the Milky Way.
Instruments of the probe with radioactive batteries are still working and sending data to Earth, though the great distance, a message takes 16 hours to arrive.
Stone said “We reached the point where the solar wind, which until now always flowed in the direction away from the Solar System, no longer does.” “The phenomenon is the result of facing wind matter from other stars. That border is the official edge of the solar system and once the Voyager cross it, it will be in interstellar space. “
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-22-2010, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost Sheep McUinnean
Well, it seems that the 'Voyager' 'space'craft is about to leave the 'solar system' . Can't they even see the non-unrefudiateable contradictions of their 'evidence'?
Particles moving sidewards? Please! Think of the obvious answers to this real new Tower of Babel scam! How can there be a flow of interstellar wind!
More like a lot in interstinal wind if you ask me.
NASA: Voyager 1 is leaving the Solar System | Momento 24
NASA: Voyager 1 is leaving the Solar System
December 14, 2010
The U.S. space agency NASA reported that “The Voyager 1 space probe robot farthest from the Earth, reached a new milestone in its attempt to explore the limits of the Solar System.”
And “the most distant spacecraft from Earth reached an important point in its effort to leave the Solar System, as we detect it is about to enter into interstellar space.”
17,400 million miles awat from Earth, the probe detected a significant change in the flow of particles that surround it. This means that the Voyager should be very close to crossing the barrier into interstellar space.
Edward Stone, project scientist, said “the ship is still producing 33 years after its launch.”
“When we launched the Voyager, the space age was just 20 years, so there was no way of knowing that the probe would last long.”
“We did not know how much you had to travel to get out of the Solar System.”
“Now we know that in more or less in five years, we’ll come out.”
The ship was sent on September 5, 1977 and its initial goal along with its brother, Voyager II, was to explore the planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune, a task that was completed in 1989, soon to go outer space, towards the center of our galaxy, the Milky Way.
Instruments of the probe with radioactive batteries are still working and sending data to Earth, though the great distance, a message takes 16 hours to arrive.
Stone said “We reached the point where the solar wind, which until now always flowed in the direction away from the Solar System, no longer does.” “The phenomenon is the result of facing wind matter from other stars. That border is the official edge of the solar system and once the Voyager cross it, it will be in interstellar space. “
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I would like NASA to explain how Voyager penetrated the firmament.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-23-2010, 12:04 AM
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I would like NASA to explain how Voyager penetrated the firmament.
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I don't think they can. The press release posted above is barely legible, it is filled with grammatical errors and odd word choice. Is this how all scientists write?
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-23-2010, 12:14 AM
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I would like NASA to explain how Voyager penetrated the firmament.
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They spend all that tax money they obfuscate on gay orgies so they probably know a lot about penetration.
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12-23-2010, 02:57 PM
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They spend all that tax money they obfuscate on gay orgies so they probably know a lot about penetration.
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I did note that they used expressions like 'probe' and 'come out' in the press release
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-23-2010, 03:47 PM
I’m surprised that anyone believes any of this infantile garbage:
1. A thing that is invisible yet sends messages to people on earth
2. A thing that has a huge source of energy to send the messages
3. A thing that seems to operate on its own without reference to anyone else
4. A thing that we should hold in awe and amazement
5. A thing that tells us mysterious things that were beyond our imaginings
6. A thing that uses a language that is hard to understand and can only be interpreted by trained people.
7. A thing that only a few people ever claimed to see, and that was years and years ago!
Seriously, it’s all hogwash, isn’t it? Nevertheless, there will be atheists coming along and telling us it’s real! Ha! Their delusions and credulity amaze me.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-23-2010, 04:04 PM
And how could anyone or any rocket throw something so high it could NEVER come back down?
It is an affront to God to even assert such a ridiculous thing!
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-26-2010, 06:22 AM
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And how could anyone or any rocket throw something so high it could NEVER come back down?
It is an affront to God to even assert such a ridiculous thing!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
You all show a very basic misunderstanding of science and gravity. Please do your research before making such ridiculous claims.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-26-2010, 06:30 AM
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Your gravity theories are self-contradicting. The theory of gravity was started when an apple fell on Isaac Newton's head and he made the assumption there was some mystical force pushing the apple down. Nevermind that this force was invisible and undetectable. Yes you could measure the rate an apple fell, but you couldn't measure gravity itself.
Now, the whole basis of gravity is "What goes up, must come down.", correct? But at the same time you have "escape velocity" which basically says "What goes up must come down, except when it doesn't." So, which is it? Does gravity force objects up or down? That's how I know the theory is hogwash because it says two contradictory things at the same time.
Sorry, but I don't know how you can believe something so full of contradictions and absurd thinking and invisible, mystical forces. That's why I'm rational. I believe in the Bible.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-26-2010, 08:13 AM
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NASA: Voyager 1 is leaving the Solar System
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What a pretty picture. I think even with my poor artistic skills I could draw this picture.
If your going to make up pictures, at least hire a realistic artist.
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12-26-2010, 05:10 PM
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Your gravity theories are self-contradicting. The theory of gravity was started when an apple fell on Isaac Newton's head and he made the assumption there was some mystical force pushing the apple down. Nevermind that this force was invisible and undetectable. Yes you could measure the rate an apple fell, but you couldn't measure gravity itself.
Now, the whole basis of gravity is "What goes up, must come down.", correct? But at the same time you have "escape velocity" which basically says "What goes up must come down, except when it doesn't." So, which is it? Does gravity force objects up or down? That's how I know the theory is hogwash because it says two contradictory things at the same time.
Sorry, but I don't know how you can believe something so full of contradictions and absurd thinking and invisible, mystical forces. That's why I'm rational. I believe in the Bible.
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The basis of gravity is NOT that what goes up must come down. It is that two bodies are attracted to each other based on their masses. We can overcome the attraction of a rocket to the earth by using rockets. If gravity is BS, why does your GPS work? Satellites in orbit are providing you with your location. Its easier to believe in conspiracy than hard work by scientists isnt it. I wish so very badly i could guide you through an intro kinematics course at a college, it answers all your questions.
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12-26-2010, 05:17 PM
Why is it so evil to believe that human beings have developed the technology to shape our world (and expand it). I think that is wondrous not evil. Resting on the laurels of only what the Bible teaches would result in our society not having cars, phones, processed food, antibiotics and millions of other inventions were the result of careful deduction of facts not immediately obvious to the naked eye. The voyager probe should be a celebration of humanity's ingenuity, not an affront to god. And earlier someone said something about particles flying sideways... particles change their trajectory in a magnetic field, because fields are circular.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-26-2010, 05:28 PM
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The basis of gravity is NOT that what goes up must come down.
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You're mistaken, because experimental evidence proves that what does up does come down every single time. Try throwing a rock up in the air. Do you dare stand beneath it in the hope that it won't come down?
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It is that two bodies are attracted to each other based on their masses.
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It was already proved with calculations that gravity according to Newtonian physics and a spherical earth model would result such a tremendous downward force that we would all be flat.
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I wish so very badly i could guide you through an intro kinematics course at a college, it answers all your questions.
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12-26-2010, 06:04 PM
I think you are missing an important distinction. "Down" is a human creation based only on the immediate spot on which you stand. To make something flat, all the force must be applied in only 1 direction. But gravity pulls equally in all directions, making a sphere the "flattest" object.
I find it intellectually dishonest to say that only things we can observe with our naked eye ("try throwing a rock up in the air...") are the only things that are true, when members of this forum place their absolute faith in a book that none of them saw written, and probably had iterations with slightly different text that came before it. if the KJV was collated in England in 1611... what was it based on? Are humans so perfect that you can be sure that there were no copying errors over the previous several thousand years that the Bible must have been recopied many many times over.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-26-2010, 06:20 PM
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Why is it so evil to believe that human beings have developed the technology to shape our world (and expand it). I think that is wondrous not evil. Resting on the laurels of only what the Bible teaches would result in our society not having cars, phones, processed food, antibiotics and millions of other inventions were the result of careful deduction of facts not immediately obvious to the naked eye. The voyager probe should be a celebration of humanity's ingenuity, not an affront to god. And earlier someone said something about particles flying sideways... particles change their trajectory in a magnetic field, because fields are circular.
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And what of other celebrations of human ingenuity like sodomy, abortion and liberalism?
You are just being ridiculous in your defense of the Voyager Hoax.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-26-2010, 06:32 PM
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Are humans so perfect that you can be sure that there were no copying errors over the previous several thousand years that the Bible must have been recopied many many times over.
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Is God so imperfect that He would allow His Holy Word to be distorted and misinterpreted all these years?
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THe true picture -
12-27-2010, 06:20 PM
Here is the true picture of the Universe. While it it credits me, I got it by simply reading the BIBLE (KJV). Another name for the prime mover sphere (actually a hemisphere) is the firmament. If Voyager were really leaving the Universe, it would have to be entering one of the levels of Heaven.
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12-29-2010, 05:22 AM
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Here is the true picture of the Universe. While it it credits me, I got it by simply reading the BIBLE (KJV). Another name for the prime mover sphere (actually a hemisphere) is the firmament. If Voyager were really leaving the Universe, it would have to be entering one of the levels of Heaven.
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Dude... you can go in your backyard with a calculator, a decent telescope, and a sextant and discover in a week how incorrect that picture is. To say the least, sometimes venus and mercury are further away than the sun, and have been photographed being occluded by the sun.
If we can agree that model rockets take off on chemical fuel... then why is it such a stretch to scale that up, and use hydrogen as a propellant?
Why did you name yourself aristotle? I believe he was known best for deductive reasoning, a skill that seems to be the LEAST valued one on these forums, with blind faith way ahead in first.
Sample deductive reasoning:
The Bible was physically printed on paper by men.
Men are imperfect at copying.
It is possible that Bibles are imperfect.
The only argument i see here is that God personally intervened to make sure each printed Bible came out for the last several thousand years typo free. If you wanna roll with that... then its an impossible argument.
P.S. Stars definitely move (except the north star). just make some measurements yourself, who knows, you might unlock an interest you never knew you had.
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Re: THe true picture -
12-29-2010, 05:25 AM
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The only argument i see here is that God personally intervened to make sure each printed Bible came out for the last several thousand years typo free. If you wanna roll with that... then its an impossible argument.
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If I am understanding your argument correctly, you are saying that the Almighty who created the heavens and earth is too weak to preserve His Word to man.
How is blasphemy working out for you?
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 05:39 AM
You can't have it both ways, either God fixes everything to roll his way, or he stays out of interfering with humanity directly. I bet you i could find a king james bible with a typo in it.
oh here we go, in 1631:
http://www.revelife.com/710024434/th...ible-misprint/
Wicked Bible on free public display in British Library, London.
http://twitpic.com/9kzw1
How'd this one get by His editor?
The world is either flawed or perfect, and im not seeing a lot of perfect.
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