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Default Re: Things we share in common - 08-18-2010, 07:37 PM

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Of course celibacy is important, and is preferable to marriage as St Paul says. You can't just make anything up as you please. Sacred oral tradition evolves gradually over centuries among the popes.
Like infallibility, papal succession and the bishop of Rome being the head of the church? Like Peter dying in Rome?

All oral traditions.. Not biblically based nor sound.

You never answered the question about the bishopric being required to be married.

1 Timothy 3 1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)


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Default Re: Things we share in common - 08-18-2010, 11:59 PM

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You never answered the question about the bishopric being required to be married.
I noticed the same thing. Cantabrian, you're not exactly helping your case by ducking questions and relying on proof by assertion.


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Default Re: Things we share in common - 08-19-2010, 08:44 AM

Ok well you know my ability to answer questions would be greatly aided if I were not impeded by a 700 second delay between posts.

Let us look then at the question of bishops. In the early years of the Church, there was a great scarcity of single men who were eligible for ordination, so that is why men who were already married were accepted for the priesthood and the bishopric. When St Paul said that a bishop must be the husband of one wife, he did not mean that bishops must marry. That would be plainly a wrong interpretation since Paul would have then contravened his own rule! The rule means that a bishop must not have more than one wife, and this include remarriage in the event of widowing. We see then that a man who never marries does not violate this rule.
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Default Re: Things we share in common - 08-19-2010, 08:48 AM

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The rule means that a bishop must not have more than one wife, and this include remarriage in the event of widowing. We see then that a man who never marries does not violate this rule.
Ok, if we go with that for a minute, then where exactly does it say that it includes remarriage if widowed?


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The rule means that a bishop must not have more than one wife, and thhttp://www.landoverbaptist.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=582850is include remarriage in the event of widowing. We see then that a man who never marries does not violate this rule.
What a weak argument.

At least you didn't claim that the pope's law trumps even Paul's. I have seen that line of argument before. I have to give you some credit for that.

Still, you are purposely ignoring the scriptures, yet again. It's funny how it gets easier and easier for you popists to lie to yourself when the scriptures clearly say a Bishop should be married with children. Otherwise, they would be unqualified to give practical advice.

Paul even warns against false prophets prohibiting marriage. but you knew that too.

The truth is that even you know you only give lip service to your false religion. You only want to be right. The more you study it, the more falsity you see.


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Default Re: Things we share in common - 08-19-2010, 06:31 PM

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Of course celibacy is important, and is preferable to marriage as St Paul says.
So married priests are not as good as celibate priests, that's what you're saying. BTW, who do you think Paul was addressing in Phil. 4:3?
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You can't just make anything up as you please. Sacred oral tradition evolves gradually over centuries among the popes.
Right. Gotcha. I have to put on a silly hat, then I can make up anything I please. BTW, did evolution happen or not? Was Galileo right, or were his persecutors right?
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Let us look then at the question of bishops. In the early years of the Church, there was a great scarcity of single men who were eligible for ordination, so that is why men who were already married were accepted for the priesthood and the bishopric. When St Paul said that a bishop must be the husband of one wife, he did not mean that bishops must marry. That would be plainly a wrong interpretation since Paul would have then contravened his own rule! The rule means that a bishop must not have more than one wife, and this include remarriage in the event of widowing. We see then that a man who never marries does not violate this rule.
1 Timothy 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

How on earth could anyone interpret that in any way other than what it clearly says - that having a family is a positive asset for a bishop?


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Was Galileo right, or were his persecutors right?
One could not write anything funnier or more rediculous that the contemporary response by the Vatican to "the Galileo problem".

The Vatican spent ten years trying to figure out what to say about the fact the Galileo was right and the Pope was wrong. But after ten years of study, you will not find these words in the final report, "The Pope was wrong, Galileo was right."

Instead, there is some indirect references to "mistakes". The lie that the Pope is infallible must be preserved at all costs because cash flow is more important than truth.

We can be proud that at Landover Baptist, unlike the Catholic Church, only the truth prevails.


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