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Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 08:25 PM
Hello... I'm Catholic and new here. I just saw Catholicism listed under a cult and it kinda raised my eyebrow...
I mean, you guys know that the early Christian Fathers were Catholic right? All forms of Christianity stem from that one source... I think it's fine that you see my religion as "false" as I have mutual feelings for yours. However... a cult? Seriously? Why would you think that?
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sacred Heart
Hello... I'm Catholic and new here. I just saw Catholicism listed under a cult and it kinda raised my eyebrow...
I mean, you guys know that the early Christian Fathers were Catholic right? All forms of Christianity stem from that one source... I think it's fine that you see my religion as "false" as I have mutual feelings for yours. However... a cult? Seriously? Why would you think that?
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All forms of Christianity stem from Jesus friend. Do you seriously think the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians an off shoot of the Roman Catholics?
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 09:20 PM
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Hello... I'm Catholic and new here. I just saw Catholicism listed under a cult and it kinda raised my eyebrow...
I mean, you guys know that the early Christian Fathers were Catholic right? All forms of Christianity stem from that one source... I think it's fine that you see my religion as "false" as I have mutual feelings for yours. However... a cult? Seriously? Why would you think that?
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 09:22 PM
Why did you feel the need to post this stupid question? And yes, it is a stupid question. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS AN ENTIRE THREAD STICKIED TO THE TOP OF THIS FORUM ANSWERING IT FOR YOU ALREADY!
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=7490
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 09:25 PM
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 09:44 PM
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All forms of Christianity stem from Jesus friend. Do you seriously think the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians an off shoot of the Roman Catholics?
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Of course all Christianity came from Christ, hence the name. However, you would agree that the first form of Christianity was indeed Catholic?
I will admit I know little about the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians, however I also have little concern with them. I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.
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10-09-2009, 10:10 PM
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- Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.
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Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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Ok well let's take this from the top I guess... I don't think Jesus was a grammar instructor. I don't know what you might think His purpose hear may have been, but it was not to instruct us in our use of language
Do you scold your children for addressing you as father? What about dad? Is that acceptable?
In reality, if we eliminate this word from our vocabulary, then the sense that God is our "father" would lose all meaning as we would have no earthly counterpart for which to compare and understand. This claim is nonsense.
In the bible you will see that the term father is not only used as an earthly parent or a divine parent, it is used to refer to people other than biological or legal fathers, and is used as a sign of respect to those with whom we have a special relationship.
For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: "So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt" (Gen. 45:8).
"I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know" (Job 29:16).
"In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah" (Is. 22:20–21).
Or take this other verse for example:
"I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
As for Matthew 23, lets look at the whole passage, verses 8-12.
"As for you, do not be called 'Rabbi'. You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers. Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. Do not be called 'Master'; you have but one master, the Messiah. The greatest among you must be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted."
These verses, warning against the use of various titles, are addressed to the disciples alone. While the title "Rabbi" has been said to be used in addressing the scribes and Pharisees, the implication is that "Father" and "Master" also were. The prohibition of these titles to the disciples suggest that their use was present in Matthew's church. The Matthean Jesus forbids not only the titles but the spirit of superiority and pride that is shown by their acceptance.
Thus, this is an effort made by Jesus for the apostles to be humble and not take on such roles as the scribes and pharisees. See also in Luke 14:11 "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sacred Heart
[...] I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.
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A name - John The Baptist...
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10-09-2009, 10:16 PM
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A name - John The Baptist...
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So John founded your Church? Before Jesus died? And when all of Christs followers became Catholic what happened to you guys? Dissappeared until the Anabaptists in 1569?
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sacred Heart
Of course all Christianity came from Christ, hence the name. However, you would agree that the first form of Christianity was indeed Catholic?
I will admit I know little about the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians, however I also have little concern with them. I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.
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We are Christians. Catholics are pagans and pedophilia supporters. Pagans and pedophilia supporters are not of Christ. Christians are of Christ. Therefore we are not an offshoot of Catholics.
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So John founded your Church? Before Jesus died? And when all of Christs followers became Catholic what happened to you guys? Dissappeared until the Anabaptists in 1569?
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What religion do you think Job, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, etc. followed before the birth of Christ? The Word of God, no doubt. We follow the Word, the first and only religion. Your dogmatic pedophile cult is a pagan abomination with a fabricated history which is not supported by the Bible.
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 10:42 PM
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These verses, warning against the use of various titles, are addressed to the disciples alone.
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You Catholics can't even agree on how to excuse yourselves from following the Bible. This Catholic site treats Our Lord's words on the subject as universally applicable, but meant as hyperbole.
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sacred Heart
Of course all Christianity came from Christ, hence the name. However, you would agree that the first form of Christianity was indeed Catholic?
I will admit I know little about the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians, however I also have little concern with them. I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.
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With that kind of stupefying lack of interest in a matter critical to your eternal fate what is the point of having a discussion? The fact that they all and the Baptists pre-date the Roman Catholic church what ever your pedo-baptist priest pushed on you in Sunday school. Technically and silly as it sounds Baptists pre-date Jesus earthy ministery since John the Baptist was born before Christ was.
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Remy Lebeau
We are Christians. Catholics are pagans and pedophilia supporters. Pagans and pedophilia supporters are not of Christ. Christians are of Christ. Therefore we are not an offshoot of Catholics.
Evil does not beget Good.
"For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." - Luke 6:43
What religion do you think Job, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, etc. followed before the birth of Christ? The Word of God, no doubt. We follow the Word, the first and only religion. Your dogmatic pedophile cult is a pagan abomination with a fabricated history which is not supported by the Bible.
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If it's not a problem, I would like to discuss this after the current topic of calling a priest father has been concluded. Unless by bringing up this new point, you concede that Jesus truly intended for the apostles to be humble, unlike the pharisees?
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 11:33 PM
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You Catholics can't even agree on how to excuse yourselves from following the Bible. This Catholic site treats Our Lord's words on the subject as universally applicable, but meant as hyperbole.
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We follow the bible, but we also follow equally inspired Sacred Tradition which predates any scripture and greatly predates a compiled New Testament. However, I would like to address calling "No Man Father" which the link you provided is an excellent source for the catholic perspective. After we have come to an accord on calling no man father, then may we address other topics such as Sola Scriptura.
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-09-2009, 11:36 PM
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With that kind of stupefying lack of interest in a matter critical to your eternal fate what is the point of having a discussion? The fact that they all and the Baptists pre-date the Roman Catholic church what ever your pedo-baptist priest pushed on you in Sunday school. Technically and silly as it sounds Baptists pre-date Jesus earthy ministery since John the Baptist was born before Christ was.
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It does not concern the nature of this thread, or in fact the disagreement between you and I. Which was that the Catholic Church predates Baptists. John the baptist did not follow the baptist way of thinking. How could he possibly, as the prophesies had yet to be fulfilled? There was much teaching and correction Jesus had to accomplish before any form of Christianity could be established.
If nothing else, surely you agree that John the Baptist did not follow the idea of Sola Scriptura or faith alone? Both of these concepts did not exist before Martin Luther.
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-10-2009, 12:08 AM
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We follow the bible, but we also follow equally inspired Sacred Tradition which predates any scripture and greatly predates a compiled New Testament. However, I would like to address calling "No Man Father" which the link you provided is an excellent source for the catholic perspective. After we have come to an accord on calling no man father, then may we address other topics such as Sola Scriptura.
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Did my point go that far over your head?
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-10-2009, 12:37 AM
I have read through this entire post, and for some reason, Sacred Heat seems to have convinced me to remove Catholicism and Papa Legba from my list of false religions and cults. (snicker-wink Glendora)
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-10-2009, 01:03 AM
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Did my point go that far over your head?
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Well this could just be my mistake. Usually when Catholics are accused of not following the bible, the intended target are our beliefs supporting sacred tradition...
However, as far as hyperbole is concerned... i felt I have given a fair opening address on this subject with my opening statement on the matter found on the first page of this thread:
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Ok well let's take this from the top I guess... I don't think Jesus was a grammar instructor. I don't know what you might think His purpose hear may have been, but it was not to instruct us in our use of language
Do you scold your children for addressing you as father? What about dad? Is that acceptable?......
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This quote of mine has thus far gone unchallenged...
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Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult? -
10-10-2009, 01:13 AM
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Ok well let's take this from the top I guess... I don't think Jesus was a grammar instructor. I don't know what you might think His purpose hear may have been, but it was not to instruct us in our use of language
Do you scold your children for addressing you as father? What about dad? Is that acceptable?......
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Let's look at the Bible verses in question, shall we?
Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
It is clear Jesus is talking about referring to religious authorities as "father", and not admonishing people for calling their own fathers "Father". The key is verse 8 where he mentions Rabbis (religious authority). This segues perfectly into verse 9 where it is clear he is talking about some man who presumes religious authority and wants people to call him "Father" (sound familiar?)
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10-10-2009, 01:18 AM
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Ok well let's take this from the top I guess... I don't think Jesus was a grammar instructor. I don't know what you might think His purpose hear may have been, but it was not to instruct us in our use of language
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Jesus clearly cares about grammar.
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"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" - Matthew 5:18
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That's one of the problems with you Mary worshipers. You think that approximately following God's Commandments is good enough. At Landover Baptist, we follow the entire Word of God to the letter!
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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