[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by 2Kings 2 23:25

As I said, an understanding of something other than the pages of King James is needed. Like, a basic understanding of anything otherwise...

No, this is simply not the case! The KJV Bible is the ONLY thing a person needs to understand, because it is the ONLY thing that can lead a person to Heaven. Everything else is absolutely irrelevant!

"You live life in a dream, I can not wait to see the look on your face upon awakening. It will be one of perfection and amazement, understanding how much you never knew." Please, find that quote, I dare you.

Funny, I copy/pasted it into google and nothing came up. Did you make it up yourself?

[2Kings 2 23:25]

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant

No, this is simply not the case! The KJV Bible is the ONLY thing a person needs to understand, because it is the ONLY thing that can lead a person to Heaven. Everything else is absolutely irrelevant!



Funny, I copy/pasted it into google and nothing came up. Did you make it up yourself?

As I said, not everything can be found in a book. Sometimes, quotes are found elsewhere. Even "Google" can be wrong... OH SNAP.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by 2Kings 2 23:25

As I said, not everything can be found in a book. Sometimes, quotes are found elsewhere. Even "Google" can be wrong... OH SNAP.

I'll take that as an admission that you've run out of arguments and have decided that the Sun doesn't emit light after all. Here are some great Bible verses about why science isn't to be trusted to get you started in your new life as a Christian:

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:" 1 Timothy 6:20

"Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?" Isaiah 40:12

Job 38:4-30. Sorry, but that is a lot of scripture for one post. You can find it here though.

[MitzaLizalor]

Thank you Sister Lycia for getting the thread back to the Word of God and what He has told us about the light He made.

He made it to sustain the life He breathed into Adam, life which has prevailed even in the face of Eve's vile conjunction with serpentine allure, prevailed that we might respond to God even as He touches us. PRAISE HIM!

JOHN 1:4-5
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not.
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Isolated and wretched, false "scientists" spasm in response to Satan's darkness as it floods into them. Examples of the mumbo-jumbo he erupts abound on this forum as his minions try to de-rail topics and seduce The Elect into their hallucination.

MARK 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shewe signes and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, euen the elect.
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God, of course, knew that this would happen, and even knew the "chat-up-lines" Satan would employ, through his automata, to delude and corrupt. God knows the limits of our understanding, and has provided penetrating insights which bolster us in the battle against Lucifer and his denizens of darkness.

I JOHN 1:7 But if wee walke in the light, as he is in the light, wee haue fellowship one with another, and the blood of Iesus Christ his Sonne clenseth vs from all sinne.
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We know that light exists independently of the sun, the moon and the stars. God has told us so. It provides light for us to see (the light regulated by the sun and the moon), and sustains all aspects of life. An important characteristic of human life is the understanding imparted to men, by God - the source of all light (which embraces life and understanding):

PSALM 18:28 For thou wilt light my candle: the Lord my God will enlighten my darkenesse.
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..and communicated by men to women.

II SAMUEL 2:29 For thou art my lampe, O Lord: and the Lord wil lighten my darkenesse.
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Psalmists reiterate God's revelation through His prophets, a beautiful example of the consistency of His inerrant Word, The Bible.

PSALM 36:9 For with thee is the fountaine of life: in thy light shall we see light.
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Light pre-dates the creation of the sun, the moon and the stars.

PSALM 104:2 Who couerest thy selfe with light, as with a garment: who stretchest out the heauens like a curtaine.
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God knew that Beelzebub would fly through the air ejaculating folly wherever an open vessel might be discovered, ready to receive his alluring folly. God prepared us for that, too.

ROMANS 13:12 The night is farre spent, the day is at hand: let vs therefore cast off the workes of darkenesse, and let vs put on the armour of light.
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Not only does God assure us of His protection, but of His preparedness to enter us Himself, just as He entered His creation all those (six) millennia ago.

PSALM 119:130 The entrance of thy wordes giueth light: it giueth vnderstanding vnto the simple.
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That is how we know that light is generated neither by the sun, nor the moon nor even the stars. It comes from God Himself. Yes, they have their rôle:

GENESIS 1:16-19
16 And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the starres also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth:
18 And to rule ouer the day, and ouer the night, and to diuide the light from the darkenesse: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the euening and the morning were the fourth day.
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That is God speaking, not me.
God knows all about the world He made. God knows all about light.

Godless "science" vomits only lies and delusion, just as God told us they would:

LUKE 11:35 Take heede therefore, that the light which is in thee, be not darknesse.
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Secular "science" and its evil astrologists writhe like maggots in the dark, cold night. We reject them utterly.

[YourFaithIsAJoke]

This is just as stupid as arguing the world is flat.

Cmon people, wake up.

The Bible is piffle and nothing else. I know it, you should know it.

I realize people in this forum here are brainwashed, unfortunately, so I am not going to waste any more of my time trying to convince mormons that 1+1 equals 3.

Get a p-iffling life, retards.

P-I-F-F-L-E religion, god and all else in that area. And you, of course.

bye

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by YourFaithIsAJoke

This is just as stupid as arguing the world is flat.

Cmon people, wake up.

The Bible is piffle and nothing else. I know it, you should know it.

I realize people in this forum here are brainwashed, unfortunately, so I am not going to waste any more of my time trying to convince mormons that 1+1 equals 3.

Get a p-iffling life, retards.

P-I-F-F-L-E religion, god and all else in that area. And you, of course.

bye

Ah, the unbeatable logic of atheists. Yell and swear and provide no evidence. That REALLY proves your point.

[Aristotle]

Originally Posted by YourFaithIsAJoke

This is just as stupid as arguing the world is flat.

bye

Its been scientifically proven that the earth IS flat. See the publications of the Zetetic Society.

[Gsus_Freak]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

the radius of the Earth is about 25,000 miles,

I thought the Earth was flat?

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak

I thought the Earth was flat?

Do you even know what "radius" means?



Are you saying this circle is not flat, or are you saying it doesn't have a radius?

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak

I thought the Earth was flat?

You will notice from this drawing



that the square and the circle share a radius. Any shape of PLANE object has a radius, whether regular (hexagon, triangle, square etc.) or irregular (Hawaii, Tasmania..).

All these objects have radii:










and regular or irregular they are all flat objects - that is what PLANE means.

What is your point

I thought the Earth was flat?

?

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant

Hello friends! Recently, I just finished re-reading Revelation and started re-reading Genesis again, when I noticed something. God created light before he created the sun!

God created light on the first day:

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:3

Then, on the third day, God created plants:

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:11

And then, on the FOURTH day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:14-17

At first, my mind reeled. Had I been mislead? Was everything I believed in a lie?

And it was then that the answer hit me. I was just being a stupid woman! The answer to this apparent contraindication is so blatantly obvious that I just had to laugh at myself for momentarily doubting the inerrancy of the Bible (and of course, after that I immediately locked myself in my prayer closet for a few hours to beg forgiveness).

The sun and moon don't actually emit light at all! They are, instead, something like giant light switches that God uses to turn the ambient light around us up and down! Take another look at Genesis 1:15-17, I have bolded what I think are the important parts for this theory:

"And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:15-17

Absolutely no where in this passage does it imply that the sun or the moon actually emit light that travels towards the earth. Rather, it uses the terms "give light upon the earth" and "light to rule the day/night". Since we know that light cannot travel at all (we'd all be walking around covered in bruises from all the light hitting us all the time), I believe that when the Bible says they give light upon the earth, it's actually just turning the ambient light up and down. Just like when I walk into a dark room and hit a light switch to turn the ambient light up, I think it is obvious that when God wants to change the ambient lighting of the earth (to go from night to day, for example), he just switches the sun on and then waits for the appropriate time to switch it off and then turn the moon on.

What do the Creation Scientist men here think of this theory?

I have been thinking about this, and looking at some of the source material.

Sister Lycia's comments have been very accurate, consistent (they are quoting and reflecting upon God's Word after all) and, as always, illuminating.

Additionally, Sister Adilene made this perceptive post:

I'm probably wrong, but perhaps he meant light, like from candles? fire?

JAMES 1:11 For the Sunne is no sooner risen with a burning heate, but it withereth the grasse; and the flowre thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his wayes. ©1611

The focus of this text is "the rich man" relating/identifying the sun's having risen in such a way that we are to think of the rich man as having (similarly) risen (to his current status) - the high temperature associated with the sun could also be a burning wind BUT in the sense of its burning/withering property (as opposed to its "blowing").

In a way this is similar to the postulated "solar wind" of meagre "science" - but it is not the same.

The fading away of our rich man is associated with his rising to his estate, but is not the same as his estate. The contitions which produce his fading are akin to the conditions which accompany the sun's rising and which produce withering of vegetation, but are not a part of the sun any more than the equivalent conditions are a part of the rich man's wealth.

It would be possible to write the sentence (James 1:11) with the "rich man" bit first, but it would be a clumsy solution and James' elegant original stands in striking harmony with Moses' revelation in Genesis: altogether quite beautiful!

[God's Flaming Sword]

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant

Hello friends! Recently, I just finished re-reading Revelation and started re-reading Genesis again, when I noticed something. God created light before he created the sun!

God created light on the first day:

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:3

Then, on the third day, God created plants:

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:11

And then, on the FOURTH day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:14-17

At first, my mind reeled. Had I been mislead? Was everything I believed in a lie?

And it was then that the answer hit me. I was just being a stupid woman! The answer to this apparent contraindication is so blatantly obvious that I just had to laugh at myself for momentarily doubting the inerrancy of the Bible (and of course, after that I immediately locked myself in my prayer closet for a few hours to beg forgiveness).

The sun and moon don't actually emit light at all! They are, instead, something like giant light switches that God uses to turn the ambient light around us up and down! Take another look at Genesis 1:15-17, I have bolded what I think are the important parts for this theory:

"And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:15-17

Absolutely no where in this passage does it imply that the sun or the moon actually emit light that travels towards the earth. Rather, it uses the terms "give light upon the earth" and "light to rule the day/night". Since we know that light cannot travel at all (we'd all be walking around covered in bruises from all the light hitting us all the time), I believe that when the Bible says they give light upon the earth, it's actually just turning the ambient light up and down. Just like when I walk into a dark room and hit a light switch to turn the ambient light up, I think it is obvious that when God wants to change the ambient lighting of the earth (to go from night to day, for example), he just switches the sun on and then waits for the appropriate time to switch it off and then turn the moon on.

What do the Creation Scientist men here think of this theory?

Excellent work Lycia,

I like to think of myself as a scientist but I am happy to admit that we cannot know or understand all of God's works.

My personal feeling is that our light is God's love shining down on us and the sun simply focuses that love onto us as does the moon. They are focal points in the firmament for God's love.

You also make a VERY important point here that all unsaved trash would do very well to remember - The Bible is the perfect word of the Lord and is NEVER EVER wrong. There are no contradictions or mistakes - If it seems like this then it is a flaw in our understanding of the scriptures. we need to go back and read and re-read until we accept and understand it better.

As for trying to measure the speed of light - this is a fools errand. It is as the good pastor says instantaneous. The figure of 186,000 mph is a wild stab at a number to try and make other shoddy secular science work. Nothing on God's earth goes anywhere near that speed so how can anyone know?

[peaceandlies]

I would assume that God created the possibility for light to exist - he created the thing. Then he created the sun as a source for the light.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by peaceandlies

I would assume that God created the possibility for light to exist - he created the thing. Then he created the sun as a source for the light.

GENESIS 1 3-19
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God diuided the light from the darkenesse.
5 And God called the light, Day, and the darknesse he called Night: and the euening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament; and diuided the waters, which were vnder the firmament, from the waters, which were aboue the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament, Heauen: and the euening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters vnder the heauen be gathered together vnto one place, and let the dry land appeare: and it was so.
10 And God called the drie land, Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called hee, Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the Earth bring foorth grasse, the herbe yeelding seed, and the fruit tree, yeelding fruit after his kinde, whose seed is in it selfe, vpon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought foorth grasse, and herbe yeelding seed after his kinde, and the tree yeelding fruit, whose seed was in it selfe, after his kinde: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the euening and the morning were the third day.

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14 And God said, Let there bee lights in the firmament of the heauen, to diuide the day from the night: and let them be for signes and for seasons, and for dayes and yeeres.
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the starres also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth:
18 And to rule ouer the day, and ouer the night, and to diuide the light from the darkenesse: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the euening and the morning were the fourth day.

Photosynthesis as suggested by false, secular "scientists" exists independently of the sun. Perhaps it is so - but "scientific" ideas about the energy source involved are clearly erroneous, light predating the sun by three epochs:
1 - light created DAY 1
2 - the firmament of Heaven created DAY 2
3 - flowering plants created DAY 3
4 - the sun created DAY 4

The function of the sun is essentially calendric.

[Bible Student]

Originally Posted by peaceandlies

I would assume that God created the possibility for light to exist - he created the thing. Then he created the sun as a source for the light.

You are confusing two separate creations. First God created light. Then he created the sun later. The proof of that is that you can see light and not see the sun. You sometimes can see the sun and there is also light. If the sun was responsible for the light then all you would see is the light and not the sun or even the sun and no light.

Why do you feel the need to distort God's holy words as found in the 1611 King James Bible.

[peaceandlies]

No, the sun is not the only source of light. There is also candles and electicity.

[Ksevio]

There isn't any mention of the sun at all in the Creation, so one could assume that there isn't actually a sun, just a pure light.

However, if you look at Jeremiah 31:35, you can see:
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

So it's safe to say that light comes from the sun (in the day), but maybe just the sun IS light.

[Bible Student]

Originally Posted by Ksevio

There isn't any mention of the sun at all in the Creation, so one could assume that there isn't actually a sun, just a pure light.

However, if you look at Jeremiah 31:35, you can see:
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

So it's safe to say that light comes from the sun (in the day), but maybe just the sun IS light.

Genesis 1:14-19 -- And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

And just how many great lights in the day that are in the firmament of heaven do you know of? And how many great lights in the night that are in the firmament of heaven are you aware of?

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Bible Student

Genesis 1:14-19 -- And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

And just how many great lights in the day that are in the firmament of heaven do you know of? And how many great lights in the night that are in the firmament of heaven are you aware of?

I was thinking about this earlier, but there was a knock on the door and I've been tied up all afternoon. But I'm free again now, and will start with

GENESIS 15
9 And he said vnto him, Take me an heifer of three yeeres old, and a shee goat of three yeeres old, and a ramme of three yeeres old, and a turtle doue, and a yong pigeon.
10 And he tooke vnto him all these, and diuided them in the midst, and layd each peece one against another: but the birds diuided he not.
11 And when the fowles came downe vpon the carcases, Abram droue them away.
12 And when the Sunne was going downe, a deepe sleepe fell vpon Abram: and loe, an horrour of great darkenesse fell vpon him.
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This is the first mention of the sun as such. It is a beautiful scene with Abram lying unconscious and horror-stricken next to some assorted carcasses in various stages of dismemberment following his dialogue with God. The surrounding unbelievers did not worship God - most of them would have followed the ravings of fraudulent moon-god "priests" or "worshipped" the sun.

My understanding has been that the Biblical record avoided naming “The Sun” or “The Moon” explicitly to avoid any suggestion that these heavenly bodies were deities - as was commonly believed by the surrounding heathens.

Genesis 15
17 And it came to passe that when the Sunne went downe, and it was darke, behold, a smoking furnace, and a burning lampe that passed betweene those pieces.
18 In that same day the LORD made a couenant with Abram, saying; Unto thy seed haue I giuen this land from the riuer of Egypt vnto the great riuer, the riuer Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizites, and the Kadmonites:
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Iebusites.
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The absence of the sun is associated with darkness here, but the glorious light of deliverance would soon be a reality - from Abraham through Isaac, Israel (but not if you were a Kenite, Kenizite, Kadmonite, Hittite, Perizzite, Rephaite, Amorite, Canaanite, Girgashite or Jebusite of course which groups had opted for extermination) King David and Jesus:

JOHN 1
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not.
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PRAISE HIM !

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It is perhaps worth mentioning here that darkness is a seperate creation: it is not just the absence of light.

ISAIAH 45
6 That they may knowe from the rising of the Sun, and from the West, that there is none besides me, I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I (that's God speaking) forme the light, and create darkenesse: I make peace, and create euill: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop downe, ye heauens, from aboue, and let the skies powre downe righteousnesse: let the earth open, and let them bring forth saluation, and let righteousnesse spring vp together: I the Lord haue created it.
9 Woe vnto him that striueth with his maker: Let the potsheard striue with the potsheards of the earth: shal the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy worke, he hath no hands?
10 Woe vnto him that saith vnto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his maker, Aske me of things to come concerning my sonnes, and concerning the worke of my hands command ye me.
12 I haue made the earth, and created man vpon it: I, euen my handes haue stretched out the heauens, and all their hoste haue I commanded.
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HALLELUJAH !

[Bible Student]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

I was thinking about this earlier, but there was a knock on the door and I've been tied up all afternoon. But I'm free again now, and will start with

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It is perhaps worth mentioning here that darkness is a seperate creation: it is not just the absence of light.

ISAIAH 45
6 That they may knowe from the rising of the Sun, and from the West, that there is none besides me, I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I (that's God speaking) forme the light, and create darkenesse: I make peace, and create euill: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop downe, ye heauens, from aboue, and let the skies powre downe righteousnesse: let the earth open, and let them bring forth saluation, and let righteousnesse spring vp together: I the Lord haue created it.
9 Woe vnto him that striueth with his maker: Let the potsheard striue with the potsheards of the earth: shal the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy worke, he hath no hands?
10 Woe vnto him that saith vnto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his maker, Aske me of things to come concerning my sonnes, and concerning the worke of my hands command ye me.
12 I haue made the earth, and created man vpon it: I, euen my handes haue stretched out the heauens, and all their hoste haue I commanded.
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HALLELUJAH !

Excellent point. Most Unsaved Trash miss those verses.