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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 01-30-2019, 09:19 PM

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I think Mrs Thatcher deserves the credit for what was originally her official policy: A United Europe under British Rule.
As much beloved as Mrs. Thatcher is, her vision was simply too restricted. Cecil Rhodes (founder of Rhodesia) had the right vision for the world, but alas Jesus was unwilling to let this happen. We can all speculate, but I think it clearly lays at the foot of King Henry VIII in 1534. While dispatching the papists was the right idea, it ultimately failed because they didn't become Baptists - and Jesus was pissed. The Church of England was nothing more than cathylick wanna-bes with King Henry VIII as "pope" - and became worse as history attests.

As an aside, Bill Clinton used to brag that he was a "Rhodes Scholar", and that explains why the Clintons are so corrupt.

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Rhodes wanted to make the British Empire a superpower in which all of the British-dominated countries in the empire, including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Cape Colony, would be represented in the British Parliament. Rhodes included American students as eligible for the Rhodes scholarships. He said that he wanted to breed an American elite of philosopher-kings who would have the United States rejoin the British Empire. As Rhodes also respected and admired the Germans and their Kaiser, he allowed German students to be included in the Rhodes scholarships. He believed that eventually the United Kingdom (including Ireland), the US, and Germany together would dominate the world and ensure perpetual peace.

Rhodes's views on race have been debated. Critics have labelled him as an "architect of apartheid" and a "white supremacist", particularly since 2015. According to Magubane, Rhodes was "unhappy that in many Cape Constituencies, Africans could be decisive if more of them exercised this right to vote under current law referring to the Cape Qualified Franchise, "with Rhodes arguing that "the native is to be treated as a child and denied the franchise. We must adopt a system of despotism, such as works in India, in our relations with the barbarism of South Africa". Rhodes advocated the governance of indigenous Africans living in the Cape Colony "in a state of barbarism and communal tenure" as "a subject race. I do not go so far as the member for Victoria West, who would not give the black man a vote. ... If the whites maintain their position as the supreme race, the day may come when we shall be thankful that we have the natives with us in their proper position."

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At his death he was considered one of the wealthiest men in the world. In his first will, written in 1877 before he had accumulated his wealth, Rhodes wanted to create a secret society that would bring the whole world under British rule. The exact wording from this will is:
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To and for the establishment, promotion and development of a Secret Society, the true aim and object whereof shall be for the extension of British rule throughout the world, the perfecting of a system of emigration from the United Kingdom, and of colonisation by British subjects of all lands where the means of livelihood are attainable by energy, labour and enterprise, and especially the occupation by British settlers of the entire Continent of Africa, the Holy Land, the Valley of the Euphrates, the Islands of Cyprus and Candia, the whole of South America, the Islands of the Pacific not heretofore possessed by Great Britain, the whole of the Malay Archipelago, the seaboard of China and Japan, the ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, the inauguration of a system of Colonial representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed members of the Empire and, finally, the foundation of so great a Power as to render wars impossible, and promote the best interests of humanity.
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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 01-30-2019, 09:56 PM

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The Church of England was nothing more than cathylick wanna-bes with King Henry VIII as "pope" - and became worse as history attests.
Indeed, Brother. Nearly 500 years on, the Church of England remains no more than catlick-by-another-name and now has a woman in charge. All that can be said in favor of that particular woman is that she has at least borne children. The same cannot be said for the inappropriately-shod Prime Ministress, Frau May.


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Guns Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 02-03-2019, 09:45 AM

Excellent news from Britain. There is a cunning plan afoot to evacuate Queen Elizabeth and her feckless family from London, if when things turn nasty after Brexit! I assume they have thought through the consequences of this. I predict that they will be as follows:

1. British people, who admire the Blitz Spirit shown by the queen's late mother during the skirmish with Germany in the early 1940s, will be shocked and appalled. This will lead to an upsurge in Godly Republicanism.

2. The queen will be ousted and exiled to sweat out the rest of her days in Austria - or, if the people are really vengeful, to freeze in Canada.

3. Britons will declare a republic at last. (There is already a campaign to appoint President Trump as interim president for life.)

4. This will leave the Church of England without a leader and clear the way for the Godly Baptist faith (under Pastor Zeke) to take over the land.



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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 02-06-2019, 06:18 PM

In an amazingly unpredictable turn of events, hard Brexit politicians reject Mrs May's vision and consider the only acceptable "alternative arrangement" is no-deal, a complete break with Ireland with a hard border for good measure.

Also, unpredictably, hard Brexit voices are outraged and angered at... well, that's a given... beyond outraged and more than angered that someone with a funny name pointed out they had no plan. Outraged, I tell you!

The opposition UK party is fully united in not being sure about what to do, but are firmly opposed and strongly agree. Partly under certain conditions.
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Also, unpredictably, hard Brexit voices are outraged and angered at... well, that's a given... beyond outraged and more than angered that someone with a funny name pointed out they had no plan.
Never trust a man named after an overlong Fleetwood Mac album. But I disagree with Mr Tusk: those responsible for the Brexit dream do not deserve a special place in . They deserve a perfectly ordinary place there, alongside all the other riffraff.

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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 02-09-2019, 04:53 AM

If only the lamestream media would be honest about what they really think of the people who voted against their politicians' best interests.

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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-04-2019, 09:25 PM

There is a little bit of a flap in Britain about "shortages" of various items post-Brexit. Diabetics are busy stockpiling chocolate and sugar to counter the planned absence of insulin, while the rest of the population appears to be buying baked beans. Anyone crazy enough to be planning a visit should be warned to avoid enclosed spaces after 29th March.

I admit that I have filled one of the barns with packs of toilet tissue. But as far as vegetables are concerned, we are entirely self-sufficient thanks to the polytunnels which my husband so wisely installed before the Brexit vote. It is almost as though God had warned him of the likely outcome of the excellent decision to separate from Europe at a time of year when pretty much all vegetables are imported. I am sure that He did - but Matthew is not one to brag.

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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-05-2019, 07:33 PM

Ah... in many ways I am jealous of the lucky Brits who will get to experience the re-birth of their nation. Many of us have been prepping in anticipation of such an event for years making caches of weapons and rations. Of course it's the last thing we want to do to shoot traitorous liberals who are destroying our country from within. Really it is the very last thing that me and my multiple survivalist group friends think about when we train for this exact scenario every 2nd month. When we assess the stopping power of different weaponry and bullet casings, the furthest thing on our minds is mowing down millenial hipsters in the post-apocolyitic urban environment.
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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-07-2019, 10:41 AM

Some Frenchwoman called Nathalie Quelquechose (of whom it was once said "Qui?") has started lecturing the British goverment:
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I think she must be confusing the Brexit Secretary (whoever it is this week) with someone who cares.
She also managed to mention that her father "sheltered" British paratroopers in his basement during World War Two, as if that's relevant. Don't worry, Nat, it won't be necessary for you to do likewise during World War Three, because Britain and the Godly USA won't be coming to save you and your smelly, unpasteurized cheese next time!!!!


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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-08-2019, 01:23 PM

Perhaps she'd be better asking why there was a World War Two in the first place. I noticed this:

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“We definitely want to protect our close relationship with the UK and I would not like to see a no-deal Brexit creating bitterness, anger or hostility,” she said. “We will do our best.....
Well that's easy! Don't become bitter, angry or hostile! Now that France is replacing one form of idolatry with another (having the effect of increasing the number of idols overall) smitings are sure to be on God's agenda. And if they manage to produce a French pope we'll be back to the calamitous 14th century with horrors dimly imagined made real again.

I Corinthians 13:12-13 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

If the French abandon charity for bitterness, anger or hostility they'll be moving straight backwards from God's Plan for Salvation and that dark image in the looking glass will suddenly draw near.
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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-12-2019, 08:47 PM

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Perhaps she'd be better asking why there was a World War Two in the first place.
Perhaps, but seriously, Sister Mitza, who even cares? I mean, it was all done and dusted over 50 years ago. Here in Britain, sensible people assume it was the Frenchies' fault - pretty much every bad event in our country's history has borne the whiff of garlic. Which brings me back to the Brexit Dream.

Prime Ministress May has scored a great triumph this evening, reducing the parliamentary majority against her from an historic and record-breaking 230 votes to a mere 149. This reveals that 40.5 members of parliament have been won over to her side and, assuming this success rate continues, it should only take another two votes on the same question for her to bend her own supporters to her will. We are living in exciting times, for some value of the word "exciting" which = dull.


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Bible Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-13-2019, 08:18 AM

These are indeed interesting developments. Some secular experts now predict that within the next couple of weeks the Brexit will hit the UK weather patterns hard and cause an instant ice age.



I would normally have serious doubts about these prophecies, even when published in respectable newspapers such as in the present case, but this timed the Bible agrees with the prediction.

Job 24:7
They cause the naked to lodge without clothing, that they have no covering in the cold.

As usual, we'll be praying for our UK-based Brethren.


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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-13-2019, 09:08 AM

I'm feeling some uncertain no - look at the Curies. Who now supplies Germany Britain Italy Spain with the stuff? Peak demand no problem let's face it: who cares who starts wars?
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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-14-2019, 06:07 PM

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Prime Ministress May has scored a great triumph this evening, reducing the parliamentary majority against her from an historic and record-breaking 230 votes to a mere 149. This reveals that 40.5 members of parliament have been won over to her side and, assuming this success rate continues, it should only take another two votes on the same question for her to bend her own supporters to her will. We are living in exciting times, for some value of the word "exciting" which = dull.
Thank you for the thrilling update, Sister. I had mistakenly thought Brexit had already been won but you are quite correct pointing out that technically it will require 2 more victories by Mrs May. Apparently her most recent victory - that she proposed and then voted against (so technically she won) - makes a new law forbidding England from leaving the EU without a deal, which she said was the only alternative to her plan. So now her government is looking at alternatives to the only alternative. Goodness me, the woman is so willing to draw red lines and then cross over them.

The President has helpfully weighed in with unsolicited advice to the English people:

"Another vote ... would be unfair"
"Surprised at how badly the negotiations have gone"
"British prime minister did not listen to his suggestions"
"Could have been negotiated in a different manner"
"Deal could kill a bilateral trade agreement between the US and the UK"
“The potential is unlimited!” (following no deal outcome)

He also assured everyone that the USA will stay out of negotiations. You can't get fairer that that - what a gentleman! Now all the English should do is follow the simple instructions from The President ("He told me I should sue the EU - not go into negotiations") and prepare to get tired of winning so much. Presumably the preparations will involve stockpiling essentials and mobilizing troops.
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Default Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency? - 03-14-2019, 08:46 PM

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Apparently her most recent victory that she proposed and then voted against (so technically she won) - makes a new law forbidding England from leaving the EU without a deal, which she said was the only alternative to her plan.
It was cunning, wasn't it, to propose a motion and subsequently insist that her own party must vote against it, thus confusing the opposition (and many of her own supporters) into voting in favor of it. What a win for Mrs May! But, Dr Toole, you are 24 hours out of date. Perhaps news is no longer crossing the Channel, blockaded by your yellow jackets (which I always thought were a type of wasp)? There has been yet more voting today. I would explain it to you, but it is all perfectly clear, so it might appear patronizing to do so. Suffice it to say that it looks as though Mrs May will be bringing her original, twice-rejected plan back for a third vote, but probably not until next week as the ubiquitous joos prevent them from working on Fridays.

As you point out, President Trump has been most helpful and supportive throughout - as have the Irish, who have promised to change their minds, maybe.


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He also assured everyone that the USA will stay out of negotiations. You can't get fairer that that - what a gentleman! Now all the English should do is follow the simple instructions from The President
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I've highlighted the relevant detail. Discontent would seem to be putting it mildly.
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I've highlighted the relevant detail.
Not really surprising, Sister. My husband heard he got a minimum wage job at McDonald's, and good for him! The business about "expressing discontent" is simply attention-seeking.


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I know about proposals for democracy without politicians where people are called up to serve, similar to jury service.
Wasn't there was a time when you simply bought a seat?
It was probably called something else, though.


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Britannia, sitting meditating one fine day (perhaps in the attitude
in which she is presented on the copper coinage), discovers all of
a sudden that she wants Veneering in Parliament. It occurs to her
that Veneering is 'a representative man'--which cannot in these
times be doubted--and that Her Majesty's faithful Commons are
incomplete without him. So, Britannia mentions to a legal
gentleman of her acquaintance that if Veneering will 'put down'
five thousand pounds, he may write a couple of initial letters after
his name at the extremely cheap rate of two thousand five
hundred per letter. It is clearly understood between Britannia and
the legal gentleman that nobody is to take up the five thousand
pounds, but that being put down they will disappear by magical
conjuration and enchantment.

The legal gentleman in Britannia's confidence going straight from
that lady to Veneering, thus commissioned, Veneering declares
himself highly flattered, but requires breathing time to ascertain
'whether his friends will rally round him.' Above all things, he
says, it behoves him to be clear, at a crisis of this importance,
'whether his friends will rally round him.' The legal gentleman, in
the interests of his client cannot allow much time for this purpose,
as the lady rather thinks she knows somebody prepared to put
down six thousand pounds; but he says he will give Veneering
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There is a little bit of a flap in Britain about "shortages" of various items post-Brexit. Diabetics are busy stockpiling chocolate and sugar to counter the planned absence of insulin, while the rest of the population appears to be buying baked beans. Anyone crazy enough to be planning a visit should be warned to avoid enclosed spaces after 29th March.

I admit that I have filled one of the barns with packs of toilet tissue. But as far as vegetables are concerned, we are entirely self-sufficient thanks to the polytunnels which my husband so wisely installed before the Brexit vote.
Well, Sister Joanna, if your family does suffer a shortage of any particular item after Brexit, please do not hesitate to ask. The church will send you care packages with anything you might need. As a bonus, we will also include some Trump-signed Bibles, which is the kind of support that our President personally delivers to victims of natural disasters here in the U.S.
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