[tom kinight]

) Please provide valid scientifically-verifiable evidence of miracles
2) Monkeys didn't "envolve" into humans. Please learn what evolution teaches before trying to debunk it.
3) Which god is your lord?well it is science, we can't see monkeys to evolve into a human, but we can prove it like.. by doing some research or something and there's no miracles

[MitzaLizalor]

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OUTSTANDING

Originally Posted by tom kinight

2) Monkeys didn't "envolve" into humans. Please learn what evolution teaches before trying to debunk it.
3)...we can't see monkeys to evolve into a human, but we can prove it like.. by doing some research or something

I think this deserves a special award (subject to Pastoral approval).

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

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OUTSTANDING

I think this deserves a special award (subject to Pastoral approval).

Perhaps even a special social group?

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by tom kinight

Its quite clear that all the claims made in the Bible were done so in the absence of science, knowledge and understanding. At the time, it was mankinds first and best attempt to understand the natural world. Its a great shame people still believe this stuff in the 21st Century. I guess they have no choice....because they are all pinning their hopes of surviving death and living for eternity. In order to believe that claim...they have to believe all the others. Sad. Very sad.

Minds uncluttered by all the "round-Earther" brainwashing the secular science conspiracy has dreamt up are bound to see God more clearly. Hence the self-evident purity of the Bible.

Genesis 1:26-31
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

GLORY

What was your point again?

[ThisisIan]

Sooooo... You guys are really serious about all of this? As an astrophysics professor I don't understand why most highly religious people turn their ear in disdain...

I can understand your dislike of evolutionary theory, as there are many holes and shortcomings

however if you actually believe that the earth is flat that is just impossible...

but my reason for joining and posting is this... why do christian sects hate the idea of a big bang..? in my opinion the big bang could infact prove gods ability to exert energy into our reality scientifically... through many different translations that the bible has gone through im sure we can agree that some things have been lost in translation...

BUT my biggest problem with this thread is the fact that you have rejected the scientific method and peer review

i am under the opinion that the scientific method is accurate, and also that peer review keeps science unbiased toward relgious or political motivations

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by ThisisIan

tl;dr

So tell us how you came to find Jesus and what your favorite verse is from God's Perfect Word, the KJV Bible?

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by ThisisIan

As an astrophysics professor...

Going by the naivety of your posts I don't believe you are anything more that some 20 year old kid.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by ThisisIan

Sooooo... You guys are really serious about all of this? As an astrophysics professor I don't understand why most highly religious people turn their ear in disdain...

I can understand your dislike of evolutionary theory, as there are many holes and shortcomings

however if you actually believe that the earth is flat that is just impossible...

but my reason for joining and posting is this... why do christian sects hate the idea of a big bang..? in my opinion the big bang could infact prove gods ability to exert energy into our reality scientifically... through many different translations that the bible has gone through im sure we can agree that some things have been lost in translation...

BUT my biggest problem with this thread is the fact that you have rejected the scientific method and peer review

i am under the opinion that the scientific method is accurate, and also that peer review keeps science unbiased toward relgious or political motivations

Why should we listen to someone who has been brainwashed by secularists to believe their silly fairy stories about "there was nothing which went POOF! and then there was everything?"

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by ThisisIan

in my opinion the big bang could infact prove gods ability to exert energy into our reality scientifically... through many different translations that the bible has gone through im sure we can agree that some things have been lost in translation...

God would prevent mistranslation of His word, obviously. Why would He let people misrepresent Him to the world, if He is omnipotent? That's absurd. Only an atheist would say the Bible has been corrupted.

The Big Bang Theory contradicts the Book of Genesis. The cosmos cannot be both billions of years old and 6,000 years old at the same time. That is absurd.

You believe in a lot of absurdities, don't you? I think I have detected a theme.

[ThisisIan]

Yes i am naive... So say my colleagues everyday

Ohh bob what have studied besides religion in your life
What have you published
What have you discovered
What have you LEARNED

And as for the bible saying that the cosmos was 6000 years I'm not disputing that, I honestly don't trust any of the proposed methods to measure the half life radioactive isotopes. BUT what I'm trying to say is, regardless of how legit the big bang is, we know that matter started in somewhat of a group and began ever expanding outward.... We just can't explain the energy... I believe that the unknown energy was infact god... I'm just trying to say that a lot of the vilified science that you list can actually prove gods existence

[Thinks Design]

Originally Posted by ThisisIan

Sooooo... You guys are really serious about all of this? As an astrophysics professor I don't understand why most highly religious people turn their ear in disdain...

I can understand your dislike of evolutionary theory, as there are many holes and shortcomings

however if you actually believe that the earth is flat that is just impossible...

but my reason for joining and posting is this... why do christian sects hate the idea of a big bang..? in my opinion the big bang could infact prove gods ability to exert energy into our reality scientifically... through many different translations that the bible has gone through im sure we can agree that some things have been lost in translation...

BUT my biggest problem with this thread is the fact that you have rejected the scientific method and peer review

i am under the opinion that the scientific method is accurate, and also that peer review keeps science unbiased toward relgious or political motivations

Peer review is biased towards positive findings the so called publication bias.

The scientific method makes an a priori assumption about the existance of a Designer.

The Big Bang posits that light was not the first thing created as the gluon soup was opaque and the forces had not differentiated yet.

You should know that.

Next?

ThinksDesign

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by ThisisIan

Yes i am naive... So say my colleagues everyday

Ohh bob what have studied besides religion in your life
What have you published
What have you discovered
What have you LEARNED

And as for the bible saying that the cosmos was 6000 years I'm not disputing that, I honestly don't trust any of the proposed methods to measure the half life radioactive isotopes. BUT what I'm trying to say is, regardless of how legit the big bang is, we know that matter started in somewhat of a group and began ever expanding outward.... We just can't explain the energy... I believe that the unknown energy was infact god... I'm just trying to say that a lot of the vilified science that you list can actually prove gods existence

So, wait, you doubt science about radioactive half-life but you trust science about "energy levels" or some such?

I mean, we're used to this sort of shilly shallying from false Christians who try to convince us that Genesis 1 actually means the big bang and evolution and an expanding universe that we view from a spherical planet 4.5 billion years old.

But what is this God you want to insert into the gaps in science? What is it really? It's certainly not God who made Earth in 6 days with a solid firmament to keep back the waters above the firmament. So where exactly did you find out about this God that's not really God?

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by ThisisIan

So say my colleagues everyday

The words you want is "high schools classmates"

[jessev]

If I may ask something about this. If this was in fact true, then why are all the True Christians here so adamant about the KJV Bible being the "correct" translation. If God would now allow translations to be incorrect, then why not accept what is in every translation of the Bible?

Also, part of the problem is not that there may be corruption in translation of the Bible. The problem is that it's rather common for there to be multiple translations of a word from one language to another or no direct translation at all.

Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins

God would prevent mistranslation of His word, obviously. Why would He let people misrepresent Him to the world, if He is omnipotent? That's absurd. Only an atheist would say the Bible has been corrupted.

The Big Bang Theory contradicts the Book of Genesis. The cosmos cannot be both billions of years old and 6,000 years old at the same time. That is absurd.

You believe in a lot of absurdities, don't you? I think I have detected a theme.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by jessev

If I may ask something about this. If this was in fact true, then why are all the True Christians here so adamant about the KJV Bible being the "correct" translation. If God would now allow translations to be incorrect, then why not accept what is in every translation of the Bible?

Also, part of the problem is not that there may be corruption in translation of the Bible. The problem is that it's rather common for there to be multiple translations of a word from one language to another or no direct translation at all.

Psalm 92:10
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But You have exalted my horn like that of the wild ox; I have been anointed with fresh oil.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

You bet there's a corruption in translations of the Bible! There's a clear unicorn-denial agenda going on here, for example. Translators lacking in Faith and realising that modern secularists might read the Bible, scoff at the idea of unicorns and reject the whole Bible as ridiculous have quietly changed things.

Genesis 6:4
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

It's the same with giants. I mean, who knows what a Nephilim is? Nobody! Your eyes slide over the word - nephilim - shrug and carry on. And thus the wonder of God in having giants in those days before the flood diminishes.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by jessev

If I may ask something about this. If this was in fact true, then why are all the True Christians here so adamant about the KJV Bible being the "correct" translation. If God would now allow translations to be incorrect, then why not accept what is in every translation of the Bible?

Also, part of the problem is not that there may be corruption in translation of the Bible. The problem is that it's rather common for there to be multiple translations of a word from one language to another or no direct translation at all.

He prevents mistranslation, but not ALL mistranslation. Many translations contradict, so obviously some of them are wrong. But the most popular translation is obviously the correct one. God would not allow a mistranslation to be so widespread as the KJV is widespread. I believe the logical axiom "argumentum ad populam" applies here.

Taunting God and questioning Christianity is very childish. I hope you grow up before God kills you.

[Zandthee]

If we would live our lives like you describe there would be no: computers, cars, any technology at all! We would live in the middle ages and die of deceases. If you get hit by a car, you'll be happy a brain surgeon would save your life, and if you think your heart is the thinking part of your body, you sure think with your heart or just have the amount of braincells of a donkey.

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

Listen, witch.

If those Scientists had an ounce of common since, they would put away their test tubes and their Bunsen burners, and they would open their Bibles, amen. They aren't going to learn the truth by pointing a telescope up at the firmament, running a Geiger counter over a bunch of rocks, or by scraping skin cells off a salamander.

They can only learn the Truth about the world by reading the Word of the One who created the world (that would be the Bible, for you slow unsaved folks reading this). That's real research into the History and Scientific Facts of the World.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Zandthee

If we would live our lives like you describe there would be no: computers, cars, any technology at all! We would live in the middle ages and die of deceases. If you get hit by a car, you'll be happy a brain surgeon would save your life, and if you think your heart is the thinking part of your body, you sure think with your heart or just have the amount of braincells of a donkey.

"die of deceases" is kind of witty. Good job! He's deceased because he caught a decease. You atheists crack me up with your laughing in the face of burning forever in a lake of fire.

you.

Just for the record, there's nothing wrong with technology provided that hateful atheists don't use it to trick people into thinking God isn't real and to tell people the Bible is wrong.

[Zandthee]

I can't help the way I think. I was raised atheist and never touched a bible. Does god hate me for that? It's not me that made the choice, my parents were the problem. And now I'm studying physics in college and doing things in life I like, not have to worry about life after death, because I don't believe in it. I find it funny we pity each other, it will take some time, but after life we both will know the truth and who is right.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Zandthee

I can't help the way I think. I was raised atheist and never touched a bible. Does god hate me for that? It's not me that made the choice, my parents were the problem. And now I'm studying physics in college and doing things in life I like, not have to worry about life after death, because I don't believe in it. I find it funny we pity each other, it will take some time, but after life we both will know the truth and who is right.

God's going to burn you forever in Hell for that. I guess it's up to you to decide if that means He wants to be your friend or not.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Whining about it being your parents' fault is pathetic.

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

So man up and take responsibility for your own deliberate act of spitting in the face of Jesus, fall to your knees and brace yourself to receive Him inside you.