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Default Have I endangered my salvation by eating this? - 12-28-2011, 08:30 AM

Friends, I'm in a bit of a quandary. This Christmas, I accepted a gracious invitation to enjoy Christmas dinner with my across-the-street neighbors, who happen to be a wonderful Laotian family.

Yes, yes, I know, but they're Christians, and as far as I know, they're not on welfare.

Anyway, one of the many treats served up by Mrs. Phong was delicious, barbecued Laotian rock rats.



These are very hard to come by in the US, and the Phongs actually had to smuggle some live ones into the country just to get started raising them in their back yard, so I felt deeply privileged to have been able to enjoy this rare delicacy.

However, earlier today, as I was cross-referencing my Weight Watchers food plan with the 1611 KJV in order to make sure my diet was fully compliant with God's laws, I was disturbed to stumble across the following:

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Leviticus 11:1-5

1And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
I'm sure I don't have to tell you that "coney" is a word which other versions of the Bible translate as "rock badger," and is generally understood to refer to the rock hyrax. Needless to say, I was deeply alarmed by the many similarities between the rock rat and the rock hyrax.

I am really hoping some of our resident experts on Biblical zoology can tell me whether the rock rat is, as I fear, similar enough to the rock hyrax that it is covered by this prohibition against eating it.

Assuming the worst, I will, of course, fully repent and ask God to forgive me. The greater challenge, naturally, will be convincing the dear Phong family of the error of their ways. As I said, they've invested quite a lot of time and energy in bringing these creatures over here and breeding them.

Thank you in advance for any guidance you might be able to offer.


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Default Re: Have I endangered my salvation by eating this? - 12-28-2011, 05:13 PM

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I'm sure I don't have to tell you that "coney" is a word which other versions of the Bible translate as "rock badger," and is generally understood to refer to the rock hyrax. Needless to say, I was deeply alarmed by the many similarities between the rock rat and the rock hyrax.
Does it chew the cud or not?


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Default Re: Have I endangered my salvation by eating this? - 12-28-2011, 05:22 PM

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6And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
It is also difficult for me to make out whether they have divided hooves.


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Default Re: Have I endangered my salvation by eating this? - 12-28-2011, 05:41 PM

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Assuming the worst, I will, of course, fully repent and ask God to forgive me. The greater challenge, naturally, will be convincing the dear Phong family of the error of their ways. As I said, they've invested quite a lot of time and energy in bringing these creatures over here and breeding them.

Thank you in advance for any guidance you might be able to offer.
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ETERNAL LIFE! Oh, doesn't it just make you feel warm all over? I tell my children there is nothing they can do to jeopardize this! There is nothing they can do that will make Jesus turn His ever loving back on them!
Why are you lying to them, Mary?

You know that the wages of sin is death, an eternal, unending torment of a death, being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire.

Jesus says:

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Why are you lying to them, Mary?

You know that the wages of sin is death, an eternal, unending torment of a death, being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire.

Jesus says:

Matthew 5

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A True Christian™ does not sin.

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2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Am I wrong Reverend? I don't have a Christian husband at home to teach me these things and I home church as well as home school my children because where I live, there are no True Christians™ and I want to spare them from the evils of the world. But I would be crushed if I teach them wrong! You're a man and a man of church, too. God has called you to a special position and I submit myself to your authority as a church leader.


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Why are you lying to them, Mary?
Reverend Rodimer, I understand the above comment was meant in the spirit of loving, lively debate, but please remember there might be unsaved trash reading this thread. To their eyes, it might appear you'd contradicted a True Christian Lady™ and called her a liar!



I know that was not your intent, but you might want to consider choosing your words more carefully, so as to avoid confusing the unsaved trash.

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Default Re: Have I endangered my salvation by eating this? - 12-29-2011, 12:15 AM

Daisy Mae, I've seen allusions to this RA11 thing, but I can't seem to find a thread explaining what it's all about, much less an RA12. Could you please point me in the right direction?

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Default Re: Have I endangered my salvation by eating this? - 12-31-2011, 09:25 PM

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Does it chew the cud or not?
According to Wikipedia, I fear that it might:

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These rock rats appear to be predominantly herbivores, eating leaves, grass and seeds. They may eat insects as well, but probably not in high abundance.
Do leaves, grass and seeds qualify as cud?


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