[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by fonix232

Sure, then I'll rather burn in hell than to have your foolish and stupid religion forced on me. Where is the free will here?

Free will is a non-Biblical myth.

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you , and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Romans 9:15-16
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Ephesians 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

II Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Either God wants you to join us with Him in Heaven, singing praise songs for all eternity, or He doesn't want you in there, queering up the joint. That leaves you with one other place to go when you die - the fiery pits of hell.

I don't want to be a Christian just because of this - because all of you think we must be converted. But I DON'T WANT TO BE. I live my life, work for my family, my girlfriend, learn to work better, to make a better world to live in. Is that sinful? I think no...

So it seems that the LORD has sent you strong delusion.

II Thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Enjoy hell, God-mocker.

[Dave Shortbread]

I have been a user of Garry's Mod for years (though no longer, it must be said. Once I was blind, now I see) and I am honestly shocked at the narrow minded and argumentative nature of my fellow users.

Did you know that there are user-submitted modifications featuring extra-terrestrial life forms? No doubt to further the atheist agenda of Garry Newman.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by fonix232

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[. . . ]saying that God exists because someone wrote a book is simply stupid. It's like saying, the One Ring exists because Tolkien wrote it. Or the Greek gods exists because so many greek wrote about them. Or the egyptian gods. How do you explain those?

(Sigh) I really am getting tired of explaining this. The reason that people know that God exists is that He told them so Himself, in His very own Bible, which He wrote Himself, by telling His believers what to write.

God, the real God, known to many as Yahweh, didn't write the Greek myths, because those are myths, meaning not true. God only deals with Holy Truth, which He makes clear in His Holy Word-- which for two thousand years has been proclaiming God and Jesus Christ to everyone willing to believe in Him.

Why would God go to all the trouble of having His people write and publish His Words if He didn't want people to know the truth about Him?


Obviously Yours,

Handmaiden

[Contextual]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Thanks for the warning, friend. I feel a campaign coming on! Why aids needs to be taught about in schools is beyond me!

AHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry I had to register for this.
The man who claims to be so great with context.

Originally Posted by protoman

i hear schools are using this as geometry teaching aids

"using this as geometry teaching aids"

"teaching aids" : materials and equipment used in teaching

This is nothing about "aids needing to be taught".

Its about using GMOD as a TOOL for teaching GEOMETRY

If you cannot even read such a simple sentence I do not believe that you can be trusted to tell people what the bible means. - Redeemed Papist in context.

[Nigel!]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

(Sigh) I really am getting tired of explaining this. The reason that people know that God exists is that He told them so Himself, in His very own Bible, which He wrote Himself, by telling His believers what to write.

God, the real God, known to many as Yahweh, didn't write the Greek myths, because those are myths, meaning not true. God only deals with Holy Truth, which He makes clear in His Holy Word-- which for two thousand years has been proclaiming God and Jesus Christ to everyone willing to believe in Him.

Why would God go to all the trouble of having His people write and publish His Words if He want people to know the truth about Him?


Obviously Yours,

Handmaiden

You just contradicted yourself. He didn't write it, his believers wrote it, as you say, from the supposed word of god. How do you know that these believers were talking to god, and not just making up things to try and control society (Because it has worked) by enstilling fear in them of them going to hell?
I posted this earlier but didnt get a reply, but How do you know that the bible and all it's tellings are real? There is no validity of who actually wrote it, it could really be anyone for all you know. Also, don't say the bible is real because it is good word, because all you're doing is putting it in an infinite loop proving either existance by the other, which doesn't work.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Nigel!

Infact, all i want is proof outside of the bible. That's all im asking. All you do is reference the bible, which has absolutely no validity of who it was written by and when it was written, and if the events are actually real. Infact, has anyone else noticed that there aren't any other historical texts that tell of anything in the bible, and the bible is the only place they are found?

Also i'd like you to do something for me. Don't reply instantly shooting me down, but think, for a few solid minutes, say you've never heard of the bible, ever, had no idea what is was, what it told of, had no idea of god or jesus or anything, and someone came up and handed you the bible for the first time and you read it. Would you really read that book, believe its every word, and base your life around it? A book about a man who created the entire universe in 7 days a few thousand years ago (Even though theres actual scientific proof it's a few billion years old), healing the blind, turning water into wine, and what have you? Have a think, would you really believe it?

But why would we say that we've never heard of the Bible when the entire purpose for this forum is to make sure that everyone hears about the Bible?

What I would like to ask is, why are you here if you don't want to hear about the Bible?


Honestly Yours,

Handmaiden

[Nigel!]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

But why would we say that we've never heard of the Bible when the entire purpose for this forum is to make sure that everyone hears about the Bible?

What I would like to ask is, why are you here if you don't want to hear about the Bible?


Honestly Yours,

Handmaiden

Because, i'm trying to promote thought in you people (but it doesn't seem to be working), read the entire paragraph as a whole, and follow its instructions, i'm curious as too your answer.
And i do want to hear about the bible, i want to hear it's proof of god and its validity, but all i've gotten is more verses from it which don't really help my situation. Seriously, can i have some actual proof outside of the bible?

And why is there a 700 second post timer? 11 minutes between posts is a bit excessive in my opinion.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by scarecrowman175

Woah woah woah woah. Wait a minute. A book tells you he exists, so it is automatically fact? Well Darwin's theory of evolution tells us it is what happened. So what more could anyone need? Mein Kampf tells us that the Jews and all non-believers of the national socialist movement should perish, so what more does anyone need to believe it? Twilight also tells girls that vampires are real. It tells them they exist. What more does anyone need?

Silly person. The Bible isn't just a book. It is God's Holy Word. He tells us that in the Bible.

He also tell us that if we don't believe in Him, He will send us to Hell. None of those other books that you mention state within their very own text that they are written by God. And they don't state specific penalties for not believing in what they say. Darwin and Hilter don't ever threaten to send people to Hell, or provide an easy to understand way of avoiding it.

Only God tells us in His Own Book about Himself, and His Perfection and our sinfullness and how we can believe in Him and please Him or not believe in Him and get sent to Hell.

Isn't God wonderful? He says so Himself, so you know that you can believe Him!

Clearly Yours,

Handmaiden

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by protoman

i dont want to question anyones religious values nor do i want mine questioned.i just want to deliver my message as a faithfull christian and a player of this game that i bought to see the validity of its sins. this game has nothing in it telling you to do good or evil just tools to create. all those things imaged are creations of people of sick and twisted mind and the furry characters arent even part of it and have to be sought out and gotten on someones own free will. as someone who has honestly put this to the test i can say nothing about this game would cause god to hate it and its only as sinful as the person playing it if they choose to use it for evil. christ as a carpenter made things out of wood and nothing bad came of it but some people can come along and make horrid things in wooden sculptures. botom line is its not the game making these things its people who have grown up with poor guidance using the game for foul use. i can 100% say any properly raised child can play this game and get nothing but wholesome enjoyment. i hear schools are using this as geometry teaching aids so its not all fun and games. its being put to a good cause in ways

But we here at Landover Baptist exist to question everone's religious values to see how they stack up against the Bible. In fact, our purpose in being here is a lot more single-minded than is the purpose of the game being discussed.

Indeed, our purpose in being here has nothing really to do with that game.
People getting all riled up to defend the game are really mssing the point.

As someone who claims to be a "faithful Christan" why aren't you more focused on the people challenging the unassailable, eternal truth of the Bible? Shouldn't that be your message?


Thought Provokingly Yours,

Handmaiden

[James Hutchins]

Why do you people hate Jesus?
All He ever did was give you life and the chance at eternal bliss in exchange for a little acknowledgment. Clean up your room, eat your vegetables, pray to no Gods but Him, follow a few simple rules in His book.
No where does it say to follow the teachings of 'Garrysmod'. Truth be told, it sounds like some Homer pickup mechanism.
Stop making baby Jesus weep.

[scarecrowman175]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Where did Darwin even try to claim his book of lies was the word of God?

Nowhere. Because it isn't.

Once again you are avoiding the point and getting more off topic. I never said he was using the words of god. Also by saying Darwin even BELIEVED in a god would make no sense, why would he go out writing a book which disproves an "almighty being" if he believed in one all along? It makes no logical sense. I never stated his book was that of the words of god.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by scarecrowman175

Once again you are avoiding the point and getting more off topic. I never said he was using the words of god. Also by saying Darwin even BELIEVED in a god would make no sense, why would he go out writing a book which disproves an "almighty being" if he believed in one all along? It makes no logical sense. I never stated his book was that of the words of god.

You are right friend, only the Bible makes perfect, logical sense. Score 1 for Jesus

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Nigel!

So by that logic, God doesn't necessarily hate garrys mod, he only hates it when someone is using it too pose ragdolls in sinful positions? And wait, why does god hate garrys mod itself? Shouldn't god really hate the people that are making the images and poses?

And jesus christ, 700 second wait time between posts?



He didn't try too, because he realises that the word of a supposed superior being which may or may not even exist is not all that matters. What scarecrow is trying to say is (as you can see from the rest of the post), just because it's written in a book, does not necessarily pass it off as fact, which is what you people are saying. You say that it must be true, because it's written in the bible. Although i just had a thought, what makes the bible true? (And i'd appreciate it if you didnt say because it is the word of god, because then you're just stuck in an infinite loop trying to prove eithers existance by the other)

What makes the Bible true is that it was written by God. He said so Himself, in the Bible. And God cannot lie, being sinless and perfect, as we know from reading the Bible.

And in a way, we are stuck in an infinite loop. We exist in what we perceive to be a temporal space between eternity as it exists eternally when God was by Himself, and eternity as we will know it after we experience temporal death as mortal beings which God created and live on as immortal souls forever and ever in either Heaven or Hell, depending on whether you get right with God by believing the Bible.

Why do you insist that we find proof of God outside of the Bible when God Himself wrote the Bible so that we can know that He exists.

Our existance here in this forum is to encourage others to read the Bible for themselves and know the truth of God's existance for themselves.

(And people insist that we aren't nice. We are just encouraging people to find out something wonderful for themselves. How can that be anything other than nice?)


Consistently Yours,

Handmaiden

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Nigel!

Because, i'm trying to promote thought in you people (but it doesn't seem to be working),

So you admit that you're trying to lead people away from God.

Prov. 3:5-6: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

[StephenV]

Lol, apparently Garry's Mod fits in the same row as Pac Man and tic-tac-toe. I'm eager to hear what is wrong with those games.

And what's wrong with Disney. Walt hated the Jews, probably just like you guys.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by StephenV

Lol, apparently Garry's Mod fits in the same row as Pac Man and tic-tac-toe. I'm eager to hear what is wrong with those games.

And what's wrong with Disney. Walt hated the Jews, probably just like you guys.

Friend, please stay on topic. It is Sunday after all.

[scarecrowman175]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

If oil barrels were meant to float by witchcraft God would have made them that way.

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Also it seems to be in a foul Muslim village.

It is a map based off of a game called counter strike source, where you do kill terrorist groups, so yes, it is in a "foul" muslim village. However, how is futuristic technology witchcraft? As you can see Hover Balls were used to make an item float. Are helicopter witchcraft because they were mere cars until we put spinning blades on them to make them levitate? Where cars witchcraft because we made advances in technology? This is all the game is showcasing, the fact that you can use futuristic technology to solve problems. Also, whilst we are on the topic of things god does not like. Is sodomy not a sin? Yes? Isn't one of your STRONGEST arguements against Garrys Mod? Sodomy? Then what is this I see?

A man, being "relieved" on by a camel. This is a sexual act that many people take part in and even (somehow) enjoy. The man is obviously enjoying it as well as he is smiling and even licking it. So does that mean that this forum is the work of Satan? I also saw many other emoticons showing suicide, and other things that are considered "sins" yet are placed openly.

[Nigel!]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

What makes the Bible true is that it was written by God. He said so Himself, in the Bible. And God cannot lie, being sinless and perfect, as we know from reading the Bible.

And in a way, we are stuck in an infinite loop. We exist in what we perceive to be a temporal space between eternity as it exists eternally when God was by Himself, and eternity as we will know it after we experience temporal death as mortal beings which God created and live on as immortal souls forever and ever in either Heaven or Hell, depending on whether you get right with God by believing the Bible.

Why do you insist that we find proof of God outside of the Bible when God Himself wrote the Bible so that we can know that He exists.

Our existance here in this forum is to encourage others to read the Bible for themselves and know the truth of God's existance for themselves.

(And people insist that we aren't nice. We are just encouraging people to find out something wonderful for themselves. How can that be anything other than nice?)


Consistently Yours,

Handmaiden

*Sigh* You've completely missed my point of what you bolded. So you're telling me, God exists because the bible says so and the bible is true, and the bible is true because god wrote it?
And how do we know god wrote it and he exists? because the bible says so, which is only valid because it is written by god.

Ad infinitum. (I don't blame you if you don't understand it)
It's a simple development of a theory, but you're missing an external component. The Bible proves god, and God proves the bible. How do you know they both aren't lying? (And please, just please, don't say because god or the bible says so)

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by scarecrowman175

A man, being "relieved" on by a camel. This is a sexual act that many people take part in and even (somehow) enjoy. The man is obviously enjoying it as well as he is smiling and even licking it. So does that mean that this forum is the work of Satan?

No: It means that we have emoticons for use in rebuking sinners.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by fonix232

You twist the words again. GMod is used in schools TO HELP GEOMETRY TEACHING. Not AIDS, but aid (the verb) + s. mormon.




Sure, then I'll rather burn in hell than to have your foolish and stupid religion forced on me. Where is the free will here? I don't want to be a Christian just because of this - because all of you think we must be converted. But I DON'T WANT TO BE. I live my life, work for my family, my girlfriend, learn to work better, to make a better world to live in. Is that sinful? I think no...

Also, I'm a guy if you did not notice before...




Hmm let's see:

- Wars - do you think wars are good? Let's try, send your parents, brothers, your husband/fiancée/boyfriend (if you have any), your children to die for something you think is right. And you say it isn't bad...
I would rather live happily with my family and friends, letting other people with different religion co-exist with me than to send my loved ones into a war to destroy those people.
- Loss of knowledge - if it was upon you, not that we could not talk right now, but you couldn't watch your favourite series on TV, wouldn't have a modern house to live, wouldn't have a car, trains, electricity, or anything like that. And you say it isn't bad...
- Starvation - would you like to see your children die because they couldn't eat for the second week right now? I guess, no. But yes, starvation till death is not bad, you say...
- Keeping up feudalism - for what? You couldn't have your own opinion, your own home, you would live with three or more families together in a small house (if you can call those buildings house), and would have to work out your soul to get some food. And you say it's not bad...
- A church what takes your money to keep up it's shiny glory with gold, etc - the title speaks for itself

But if you want that, as I said, take your stuff, make your own country, and live by those rules. But do not expect anyone to help you out!

People who live their lives for God and believe in His Word down into the deepest regions of their hearts don't expect anyone else to help them out. They believe God will care for them in all things.

People who help each other out in ways that are not specifically directed in the Bible may as well be socialists.

Real Bible believin' American Christians know that their God doesn't like socialism.


Politely Yours,

Handmaiden