[BrotherLarry]

As all of us fortunate ones gather today to feast and give thanks to the Almighty, let us remember to thank GOD for the gift of Thanksgiving itself.


A day handed down to us from that first familial gathering when the native Americans and the new settlers to this strange land sat in peace and harmony - well, until the massacre that is - to share new ideas and new ways of doing things (ours) so that we wouldn't grow to be a nation of the heathens that were already here. That whole smallpox thing was such a nasty mess - but we're sorry. The important thing is, we conquered and brought about a new, Baptist way of life so that God's family could gather here on this continent to praise Him and thank Him. Glory!


There would be no Trump without that first Thanksgiving Day. I am humbled.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Decent Indians are very thankful to have been civilized and churched lo these many years. They were naked and lawless and without Christ before the first Christians stepped foot in America. We may never know on this side of Heaven why Jesus decided to wait until the year of our Lord 1492 to open the Gates of Heaven to the natives, yet can we rejoice in His Perfect Plan!
Glory!

[Ted Jones]

After reading about the massacre of White Families, at the hands of the Powhatan indians, it is completely clear that the indians were very racist towards White people, and because of my ignorance, and choosing to be lead around by followers of Satan. I too have been a Satan worshiping racist for too many years unfortunately. I can see now why Whites call us negros, because we have acted and behave like ungodly people, just like the indians were.

Thank Jesus Christ for giving the power to the White race, and thank God for the Buffalo Soldiers. A group of negro men who were trained and lead by White Men, ready to show their Masters that they were ready to fight against the indian race, knowing that they too wanted a better place for Whites and negros to live.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre_of_1622

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Ted Jones

After reading about the massacre of White Families, at the hands of the Powhatan indians, it is completely clear that the indians were very racist towards White people,

Great point, dear. The Indians should have just kept giving all their food, as well as women and children, to white people, instead of retaliating.

[Ted Jones]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Great point, dear. The Indians should have just kept giving all their food, as well as women and children, to white people, instead of retaliating.

Now that I'm starting to take responsibility for my past sins, I'm starting to see that I was nothing more than a child my whole life, who believed in all the lies that were told to me about the violence and torture that White people supposedly did to the indians.

I see now that it was the indians that killed and acted like savage animals.

And too bad for them not knowing that Jesus Christ blessed the White race, with the power to build and destroy. The indians went through both, when they could have gone through just one...If they only would have been good servants to the White race.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Ted Jones

Now that I'm starting to take responsibility for my past sins, I'm starting to see that I was nothing more than a child my whole life, who believed in all the lies that were told to me about the violence and torture that White people supposedly did to the indians.

I see now that it was the indians that killed and acted like savage animals.

What you need to understand, dear, is that there are types of killings which God approves, and there are others which He doesn't approve. When a Christian is killed, that is, obviously, a sin (Exodus 20:13). On the other hand, when the aggressors are Christian, and the killed ones are unsaved heathens, God totally approves of a genocide:

Deuteronomy 7:1-6
1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Yes. Christians are God's chosen people. We have the right to murder and enslave others, and take their lands and possessions. On the other hand, when others do it to us, that is a sin, and the offenders deserve - yep, you guessed it - to be wiped out in a genocide.

[Ted Jones]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

What you need to understand, dear, is that there are types of killings which God approves, and there are others which He doesn't approve. When a Christian is killed, that is, obviously, a sin (Exodus 20:13). On the other hand, when the aggressors are Christian, and the killed ones are unsaved heathens, God totally approves of a genocide:

Deuteronomy 7:1-6
1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Yes. Christians are God's chosen people. We have the right to murder and enslave others, and take their lands and possessions. On the other hand, when others do it to us, that is a sin, and the offenders deserve - yep, you guessed it - to be wiped out in a genocide.

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That post brought a lot of it together for me, thank you very much.

So when you said "The Indians should have just kept giving all their food, as well as women and children, to white people, instead of retaliating."

When they were giving over their food, women and children. Were the indians slaves at that point?

But when they retaliated, it was very clear that those people were unsaved heathens, and because God approves of genocide (Deuteronomy 7:1-6) there was absolutely no hesitation by the White Christians, as to what needed to be done.

The versus that helped me understand were:


2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.


When I read that, it was very clear as to what God wants done.

And does this also apply for today when we talk about fighting terrorism and muslims?

muslims attacked first with 9-11, and because of that action, that act alone was a sin (Exodus 20:13) would that be correct?

I'm still learning, but how you explained it, truly gave me some comfort, when talking about murder and enslaving other races. Me being a negro, my ancestors were slaves, and had their land and possessions taken from them (even to this day). Coming over here, they were given a chance to become Christians and continue to serve the White race.

As we all know, negros have killed and raped a lot of White people back than and even today.

I'm kind of surprised that we haven't been wiped out in a genocide....Well I hope my race gets it together real soon.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Ted Jones

That post brought a lot of it together for me, thank you very much.

So when you said "The Indians should have just kept giving all their food, as well as women and children, to white people, instead of retaliating."

When they were giving over their food, women and children. Were the indians slaves at that point?

Well, here is the problem with the Indians, they did not want to become slaves nor to give over their food, women, and children. They even even defended themselves against Christian raids, imagine that!

The versus that helped me understand were:

2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

When I read that, it was very clear as to what God wants done.

Indeed. After all, God loves war. I dunno what exactly, but there must be something that attracts Him, maybe the sight of brains and intestines dispersed all over the ground, maybe the sounds made by the dying, or maybe the smell of decomposing corpses? Either way, we know that God loves war because He told us so:

Exodus 15:3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

If you enjoyed Deuteronomy 7:1-6, here are some other verses you might like:

Deuteronomy 20:13-14
13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

It's very comforting to know that women and children of the killed nations can be taken as slaves, isn't it?

However, in case of terrible heathens, killing women and children is the only option allowed by God:

Deuteronomy 20:16-18
16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

And does this also apply for today when we talk about fighting terrorism and muslims?

muslims attacked first with 9-11, and because of that action, that act alone was a sin (Exodus 20:13) would that be correct?

This is a little bit tricky because the Bible mandates obeying secular laws (Romans 13:1-7, Titus 3:1, Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 2:13-15). Hence, we cannot do anything that law doesn't allow. Unfortunately, the U.S. has signed the Geneva Conventions which are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, and which prohibit killing or even enslaving civilians. It is a shame, but what can we do - Jesus wants us to obey the secular laws.

I'm still learning, but how you explained it, truly gave me some comfort, when talking about murder and enslaving other races. Me being a negro, my ancestors were slaves, and had their land and possessions taken from them (even to this day). Coming over here, they were given a chance to become Christians and continue to serve the White race.

Yes, you may be comforted by these verses, too:

Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Colossians 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;

1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 2:18-19
18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, to know that our Lord Jesus supported slavery and wanted slaves to be obedient and not protest? Tell that to the Chinese workers producing our iPhones, ha!

[Ted Jones]

Basilissa -- Well, here is the problem with the Indians, they did not want to become slaves nor to give over their food, women, and children. They even even defended themselves against Christian raids, imagine that!

Wow, that's very hard to understand, and I can't imagine that at all.

Indeed. After all, God loves war. I dunno what exactly, but there must be something that attracts Him, maybe the sight of brains and intestines dispersed all over the ground, maybe the sounds made by the dying, or maybe the smell of decomposing corpses? Either way, we know that God loves war because He told us so:

Exodus 15:3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

For the sake of being very transparent, I have to admit that I still have a lot of nigger in me. And I say that because when I read through your post, for just about two seconds, I was reverting back to thinking like a nigger, and saying to myself, "how can she be this happy over..." And then I stopped real quick, because I found myself being racist. Because when it comes to black on black crime, I didn't give crap at all.

And by no means am I bragging about the crime I committed. But to actually catch myself right in the moment, did take some work, because most of us negros have gone through years of brainwashing, and admittedly judge you for what you're saying. When I should be the last person making any type of judgments, because I don't even care about my own race of people.

The greater point in all of that, is that I fooled myself into thinking that a month or two online, is going to make me the perfect Christian. However, I see that it's going to take a lot more work; dedication; blind faith and a lot of love, in order for me to truly know that I'm moving down the correct path into the arms of Jesus Christ.

Thinking about my race, and the idea of racial reconciliation. I just really wonder if negros today have enough humility and faith in Jesus Christ, to let go of the conditioning and brainwashing from Satan, to be able to embrace the role that God wanted us to be in.

Before I start, I do want to apologize for even having that moment of craziness, because I don't even know the first thing about God, because I've been following Satan my whole life. But I didn't know that God loved war, and it's amazing to openly talk about those things, and try to figure out which ones God is attracted to.

I was brainwashed into believing that God was something that had to be esoteric, and to even speak His name was something we weren't supposed to do...Maybe that was the way into getting use to loving Satan instead of Jesus Christ.

Exodus 15:3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

I love it!!

If you enjoyed Deuteronomy 7:1-6, here are some other verses you might like:

Deuteronomy 20:13-14
13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

It's very comforting to know that women and children of the killed nations can be taken as slaves, isn't it?

To continue to put my ignorance on full display, I thought making women and children into slaves was some type of hollywood fetish. I didn't know that that was something that God allowed to happen.

However, in case of terrible heathens, killing women and children is the only option allowed by God:

Deuteronomy 20:16-18
16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

All I can say here is GOOD!

This is a little bit tricky because the Bible mandates obeying secular laws (Romans 13:1-7, Titus 3:1, Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 2:13-15). Hence, we cannot do anything that law doesn't allow. Unfortunately, the U.S. has signed the Geneva Conventions which are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, and which prohibit killing or even enslaving civilians. It is a shame, but what can we do - Jesus wants us to obey the secular laws.

So there are specific situations where the laws of man, supersede God? Would this be the only case?

Yes, you may be comforted by these verses, too:

Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Colossians 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;

1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 2:18-19
18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, to know that our Lord Jesus supported slavery and wanted slaves to be obedient and not protest? Tell that to the Chinese workers producing our iPhones, ha!

To end on a good note, yes it does make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, knowing that Lord Jesus supported slavery and that He wanted slaves to be obedient and not protest.

I wish I could get other negros to read this.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Ted Jones

Wow, that's very hard to understand, and I can't imagine that at all.

I know, right? I guess that's the problem with heathens and atheists of all sorts. As they are all fools (Psalm 14:1), they simply don't know they have to submit to whatever True Christians™ want.

For the sake of being very transparent, I have to admit that I still have a lot of nigger in me. And I say that because when I read through your post, for just about two seconds, I was reverting back to thinking like a nigger, and saying to myself, "how can she be this happy over..."

Well, if you stopped worrying about your ancestry for a minute, and dedicated more time to reading the Bible, you would know that God wants us to be happy that he chose us to be Saved while 99.9% of humanity is destined to Hell.

And yes, God is quite specific that we should celebrate Godly genocides:

Deuteronomy 12:10-12
10 But [when] ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and [when] he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
12 And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that [is] within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

The greater point in all of that, is that I fooled myself into thinking that a month or two online, is going to make me the perfect Christian. However, I see that it's going to take a lot more work; dedication; blind faith and a lot of love, in order for me to truly know that I'm moving down the correct path into the arms of Jesus Christ.

Read the Bible. All of it, not just a few pretty sounding verses. That's the correct path to Jesus Christ. You don't want to be ignorant of a single Biblical law, because if you break just one, you'll be screwed for all eternity:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

But I didn't know that God loved war, and it's amazing to openly talk about those things, and try to figure out which ones God is attracted to.

You might enjoy this sermon, then, which describes a man as an image of God as described in the Holy Bible:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=89950

In fact, feel free to go over all sermons collected in my signature, as I find them to be the most pivotal writings from this Godly website.

I was brainwashed into believing that God was something that had to be esoteric, and to even speak His name was something we weren't supposed to do...

Well, the Bible gives a few titles or names of God if you will. My favorite one, is Jealous:

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

To continue to put my ignorance on full display, I thought making women and children into slaves was some type of hollywood fetish. I didn't know that that was something that God allowed to happen.

Indeed He did! In fact, He also provided detailed instructions, which vary depending on whether slaves are Saved™ or unsaved.

Male Saved slaves (Hebrews in the Old Testament; that was before Jews killed Jesus and stopped being His chosen nation) are more like indentured servants, who serve a specific amount of time and then go free:

Exodus 21:2-4
2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

However, the seven year rule does not apply to females. When a father sells his daughter, she remains slave as long as her master likes her - only after he gets bored, gets himself a new woman, and stops having sex with her, she can go free:

Exodus 21:7-11
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

Now, heathen slaves of both sexes, as well as their children, remain slaves forever:

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Of course, our God is not cruel, so the slaves have some rights, too.

Exodus 21:20-21
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Isn't it great? A slave master cannot beat his slave so long that the slave dies the same day. That would be cruelty and such a horrible master needs to be punished. However, if the beaten slave survives the night and dies the next day, that is perfectly OK in the eyes of the Lord. Praise Him for His mercy!

So there are specific situations where the laws of man, supersede God? Would this be the only case?

Laws of man do not supersede Laws of God. However, Law of God says we have to follow secular laws. That's not superseding anything, that's following God's orders.

To end on a good note, yes it does make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, knowing that Lord Jesus supported slavery and that He wanted slaves to be obedient and not protest.

I wish I could get other negros to read this.

Not only them, but all of the people who are subject to sex trafficking, forced to work in sweatshops making our clothes, and all other oppressed people, including workers with low wages. I think the best lesson we can take from here, is that God hates labor unions and civil rights movements which fight to change existing laws and improve lives of oppressed people.

[Ted Jones]

Basilissa I know, right? I guess that's the problem with heathens and atheists of all sorts. As they are all fools (Psalm 14:1), they simply don't know they have to submit to whatever True Christians™ want.
Well, if you stopped worrying about your ancestry for a minute, and dedicated more time to reading the Bible, you would know that God wants us to be happy that he chose us to be Saved while 99.9% of humanity is destined to Hell.

You're absolutely correct. Worrying about my ancestry all the time, instead of reading the Bible from cover to cover, is why I'm still pushing back, instead of leaning all the way in without hesitation.

Being a true follower of God means that I have to stop being a fool and simply submit to whatever a True Christian wants, period. I'm starting to understand that more and more, as I keep learning about the true ways of Christianity.

And yes, God is quite specific that we should celebrate Godly genocides:

Deuteronomy 12:10-12
10 But [when] ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and [when] he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
12 And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that [is] within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

Read the Bible. All of it, not just a few pretty sounding verses. That's the correct path to Jesus Christ. You don't want to be ignorant of a single Biblical law, because if you break just one, you'll be screwed for all eternity:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Is there a type of Bible that I should get? I don't want to buy the wrong version.

I now understand about celebrating Godly genocides, and I respect and love it. Thank you for taking the time to help me see where I was wrong.

You might enjoy this sermon, then, which describes a man as an image of God as described in the Holy Bible:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=89950

In fact, feel free to go over all sermons collected in my signature, as I find them to be the most pivotal writings from this Godly website.

On top of reading the Bible, I'm going to study all of the sermons collected in your signature, and respond to as many of them as I can. This is going to be my top priority moving forward!

Well, the Bible gives a few titles or names of God if you will. My favorite one, is Jealous:

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Indeed He did! In fact, He also provided detailed instructions, which vary depending on whether slaves are Saved™ or unsaved.

Male Saved slaves (Hebrews in the Old Testament; that was before Jews killed Jesus and stopped being His chosen nation) are more like indentured servants, who serve a specific amount of time and then go free:

Exodus 21:2-4
2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

However, the seven year rule does not apply to females. When a father sells his daughter, she remains slave as long as her master likes her - only after he gets bored, gets himself a new woman, and stops having sex with her, she can go free:

Exodus 21:7-11
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

Now, heathen slaves of both sexes, as well as their children, remain slaves forever:

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Of course, our God is not cruel, so the slaves have some rights, too.

Exodus 21:20-21
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Isn't it great? A slave master cannot beat his slave so long that the slave dies the same day. That would be cruelty and such a horrible master needs to be punished. However, if the beaten slave survives the night and dies the next day, that is perfectly OK in the eyes of the Lord. Praise Him for His mercy!

That was an amazing breakdown, and yes! The Lord does show mercy to the slave, and I'm upset at myself for listening to others that didn't truly understand what the Bible was really saying. And being a Jealous God is wonderful, because He's making it clear that there's no one else but Him, that we should be following.

Laws of man do not supersede Laws of God. However, Law of God says we have to follow secular laws. That's not superseding anything, that's following God's orders.

Understood!

Not only them, but all of the people who are subject to sex trafficking, forced to work in sweatshops making our clothes, and all other oppressed people, including workers with low wages. I think the best lesson we can take from here, is that God hates labor unions and civil rights movements which fight to change existing laws and improve lives of oppressed people.

I absolutely agree with that because God didn't make everyone equal for a reason. So having unions or civil rights movements, only creates the false idea that we're equal to True Christians. And trying to be equal with someone that we know in our hearts is better than us, has never worked out for us, and it has only created a world that we have today.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Ted Jones

Is there a type of Bible that I should get? I don't want to buy the wrong version.

Here at Landover we stick to the King James Bible. Some of the newer translations try to modify the Inerrant Word of God by softening the tone of some verses.

You don't have to buy it, you can receive it at many places for free. If you are OK with reading on the screen, a good online resource is the King James Bible website:

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

If you do want to compare parallel translations, this is one of the options:
https://biblehub.com/parallel/exodus/21-7.htm

This verse is translated basically the same way, but when there are verses which are translated differently, it helps to see where are the sources of misunderstanding, as the same page provides translations of the words in the original text.

I absolutely agree with that because God didn't make everyone equal for a reason. So having unions or civil rights movements, only creates the false idea that we're equal to True Christians. And trying to be equal with someone that we know in our hearts is better than us, has never worked out for us, and it has only created a world that we have today.

Even within True Christians™, there is no equality. Women are inferior to men. Christian slaves are still required to obey their masters (verses cited in my previous post talk to Christians in this position).

The one Bible verse which does talk about equality, does so in context of being Saved - basically, everyone has the possibility of being Saved, no matter his/her sex, ancestry, or social status:

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So, to reiterate, all people have equal chances of being Saved (well, except for those who live and die without ever hearing about Jesus - too bad for them, they are automatically sent to Hell, John 3:18), but the Bible does not endorse equality within human society. Jesus lived in a hierarchical, unequal society, and He wants us to live the same way.

[Ted Jones]

Basilissa -- Here at Landover we stick to the King James Bible. Some of the newer translations try to modify the Inerrant Word of God by softening the tone of some verses.

You don't have to buy it, you can receive it at many places for free. If you are OK with reading on the screen, a good online resource is the King James Bible website:

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

If you do want to compare parallel translations, this is one of the options:
https://biblehub.com/parallel/exodus/21-7.htm

This verse is translated basically the same way, but when there are verses which are translated differently, it helps to see where are the sources of misunderstanding, as the same page provides translations of the words in the original text.

It just so happens that I work in IT, so having the Bible online is going to be perfect for me! Thank you so much!!

Even within True Christians™, there is no equality. Women are inferior to men. Christian slaves are still required to obey their masters (verses cited in my previous post talk to Christians in this position).

The one Bible verse which does talk about equality, does so in context of being Saved - basically, everyone has the possibility of being Saved, no matter his/her sex, ancestry, or social status:

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

It's amazing how many people still choose not wanting to be Saved.

So, to reiterate, all people have equal chances of being Saved (well, except for those who live and die without ever hearing about Jesus - too bad for them, they are automatically sent to Hell, John 3:18), but the Bible does not endorse equality within human society. Jesus lived in a hierarchical, unequal society, and He wants us to live the same way.

I've never thought society was equal, I just never knew what it meant...Now I do, so what Jesus wants from me, Jesus will get!

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Ted Jones

It's amazing how many people still choose not wanting to be Saved.

They were brainwashed into believing that their own belief systems are somehow superior to Christianity. In fact, God often intentionally gives such false beliefs to people, so that they believe lies and are doomed to suffer in Hell. I'd say, that explains why there are so many false religions in the world:

Ezekiel 20:25-26
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

These verses teach us that God finds pleasure in playing with sinners' lives by clouding their judgment and condemning them to Hell. Someone could say, that this is very cruel of Him, but who are we to judge God?

I've never thought society was equal, I just never knew what it meant...

Indeed. God is in favor of hierarchy, and against heterarchy.

[Ted Jones]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

God finds pleasure in playing with sinners' lives by clouding their judgment and condemning them to Hell. Someone could say, that this is very cruel of Him, but who are we to judge God?

We are in no place to ever judge what God finds pleasure in. All we should do is read the Bible from cover to cover, and follow His teachings, so we can pass them on to others that need to be saved by His love and grace.

[mrgrtt123]

Thanksgiving is over now it is time to prepare for the Yuletide season.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by mrgrtt123

Thanksgiving is over now it is time to prepare for the Yuletide season.

I hope you don't, sweetie, I would hate to see you burning in forever for participating in a pagan festivity. Jesus died for your sins, too! Do you really want Him to have suffered in vain?!