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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-03-2017, 08:56 PM

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Why should I define my beliefs when those who try to force their beliefs down my throat don't even bother to do it themselves?


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I have his seal of approval, because unlike half of the people here, I was brought up to accept even anti-gay opinions, and I was raised to not be a hypocrite when it comes to beliefs. I also believe in the judge not lest ye be judged, and if people judge me just because I'm an Agnostic Asexual who doesn't want to get married etc, then I'm going to judge them back (whether they like it or not), because I'm nobody's property but my own, and if people don't like that, then maybe they should take a long look in the mirror (as the problem will be staring right back at them). Oh, and did I mention that I also got blessed by a priest when I was younger? Shame it wasn't a full-on baptism, because funnily enough, some of what I believe does come from God's bumper book of comedy (such as the fact that you should pay charity to those who have less, and that it could theoretically be possible to bring the dead back to life at some point in the future, plus many other things).
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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-03-2017, 09:11 PM

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Why should I define my beliefs when those who try to force their beliefs down my throat don't even bother to do it themselves?[...]
Hello Agnes,

I did not ask you to define your believes, I asked you to define as evil and what you do not define as evil. For example, how do you feel about this: "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing

Do you define this as evil or not?


Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-03-2017, 09:22 PM

Still love you guys, by the way, and what you say doesn't offend me (I refuse to give myself the right to be offended). I also believe that your version of God and Jesus could exist, and my goal in life is not to scare people away, but to make people realise that fighting fire with fire isn't going to do anything. Unfortunately, I see a lot of that happening (from all sides), and it gets up my nerves to the point where I will actively make myself look like an absolute tw@ just so those who like to fight fire with fire get a taste of their own medicine (hence why I've had you guys calling me nasty etc). What I said in the last few lines of my above reply still stands, though, and before people say that I'm afraid of having sex/children, I will tell you that I'm actually not, as I think about stuff like that quite a lot, but it's strictly for story writing (as I'm not going to do it in real-life).
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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-03-2017, 09:36 PM

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Hello Agnes,

I did not ask you to define your believes, I asked you to define as evil and what you do not define as evil. For example, how do you feel about this: "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing

Do you define this as evil or not?
No worries, mate. I do define that as evil, but then again, all religions have their good bits and their bad bits (including the version of Christianity that is seen on this forum). Another thing that I define as evil is the response that some people had to the attacks, as burning down a place of worship just because of one person's stupid decision is just as evil as the act that that person committed. What I don't define as evil is people of all religions coming together and putting aside their beliefs in order to help each other out.
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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-03-2017, 09:50 PM

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No worries, mate. I do define that as evil,[...]
Great, at least we have established that you regard islam as evil
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but then again, all religions have their good bits and their bad bits (including the version of Christianity that is seen on this forum).[...]
And now we have established you regard christianity as evil too, you are doing great.
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Another thing that I define as evil is the response that some people had to the attacks, as burning down a place of worship just because of one person's stupid decision is just as evil as the act that that person committed. [...]
What are you referring to? Even for a straw man this is a poor attempt.
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What I don't define as evil is people of all religions coming together and putting aside their beliefs in order to help each other out.
And your last sentence is the bullshit we expect from empty vats.

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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-03-2017, 10:28 PM

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...I have his seal of approval, because unlike half of the people here, I was brought up to accept even anti-gay* opinions...
*I'm going to assume that you meant pro-gay opinions (otherwise your post makes no sense at all), so going from that...

But God in the Bible doesn't. So by disagreeing with Him, how do you think that gets His approval?

Are you listening to what God says in the Bible, or the little voice that only exists between your own ears?

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...your version of God and Jesus...
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...the version of Christianity that is seen on this forum...
Except, that is the ONLY version of Christianity for which any evidence exists. Refute it, and what do you have left? Your own feelings. Guess what you're worshiping?

By identifying as "Christian" (even though you're not, see Matthew 7:21), you support these people and their views.


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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-04-2017, 11:51 AM

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Great, at least we have established that you regard islam as evil And now we have established you regard christianity as evil too, you are doing great. What are you referring to? Even for a straw man this is a poor attempt.And your last sentence is the bullshit we expect from empty vats.

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I don't, but I do regard certain things as evil. Like I said, there is both good and bad in every religion. Also doesn't matter if people think that what I say in regards to myself is bullshit, as I only talk the truth when I talk about myself. Also, the arena that got attacked, I have been to a couple of times (last time was 2012), and terrorism in any form is wrong (regardless of where it comes from).

What these people also don't know is that I was born into a rather dysfunctional family, and I have an uncle and cousins who don't even know that I exist. Was my uncle's own fault, though, as he did some stupid stuff which landed him in prison multiple times, and that included conspiring to commit an act of terrorism. I was also born out of wedlock (my parents never got married), and I didn't even know what atheism and agnosticism were until about 2008.
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*I'm going to assume that you meant pro-gay opinions (otherwise your post makes no sense at all), so going from that...

But God in the Bible doesn't. So by disagreeing with Him, how do you think that gets His approval?

Are you listening to what God says in the Bible, or the little voice that only exists between your own ears?





Except, that is the ONLY version of Christianity for which any evidence exists. Refute it, and what do you have left? Your own feelings. Guess what you're worshiping?

By identifying as "Christian" (even though you're not, see Matthew 7:21), you support these people and their views.
Because nobody knows the absolute truth. Also, that bit where I said that I have his seal of approval isn't to do with being pro-gay, as I am pro-freedom of opinion, and that includes being both pro-LGBT and pro-heterosexuality. I am also pro-freedom of religion, and don't worry about calling me a Satanist etc, as I've heard all of that before, and the only time I will ever fight back in that department is if somebody tries to make their particular religion etc look bad (and that includes the LGBT community, as I've seen a few anti-cisgender videos, and I - a non-cisgender Agnostic Theist - want to fling a Bible etc right in their faces, to show them that bigotry in any form is wrong).
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Because nobody knows the absolute truth.
Jesus does and He speaks to us.
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Also, that bit where I said that I have his seal of approval isn't to do with being pro-gay, as I am pro-freedom of opinion, and that includes being both pro-LGBT and pro-heterosexuality.
Does it also include racism and anti-gay, anti LGTB?
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I don't think you are - I think you are in favour of people saying God told them to do something, or claiming they know what God means.
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"Their particular religion? You think that you can make religion up? You think that you can spout any nonsense and if you end it with "becasue my god says so", then it's OK?
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Just a minute... Are you accusing Jesus of being a bigot? I tell you He and God won't like that.

Remember the story of the "Good Samaritan"? Remember why a Samaritan was chosen - Jesus chose him because everyone, including Jesus knew that Samaritans were utter bastards.

Remember the Moabites and the Amalkelites and a whole slew of other "-ites" whom God order to be destroyed?

Is that bigotry or racism?

Do you recall any of Leviticus in which gays are damned?
Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah where queers reigned and the place was destroyed?

Are you being a bigot by arguing with us, and thus arguing with God?





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Jesus does and He speaks to us.
Does it also include racism and anti-gay, anti LGTB?
I don't think you are - I think you are in favour of people saying God told them to do something, or claiming they know what God means."Their particular religion? You think that you can make religion up? You think that you can spout any nonsense and if you end it with "becasue my god says so", then it's OK?Just a minute... Are you accusing Jesus of being a bigot? I tell you He and God won't like that.

Remember the story of the "Good Samaritan"? Remember why a Samaritan was chosen - Jesus chose him because everyone, including Jesus knew that Samaritans were utter bastards.

Remember the Moabites and the Amalkelites and a whole slew of other "-ites" whom God order to be destroyed?

Is that bigotry or racism?

Do you recall any of Leviticus in which gays are damned?
Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah where queers reigned and the place was destroyed?

Are you being a bigot by arguing with us, and thus arguing with God?
Jesus was anti-racism, and so am I. He also wasn't white (he was Middle Eastern), and no, I'm not being a bigot, because I do not claim to be superior or inferior to anybody (and neither should you). Your opinion on LGBT people is one that you have the right to have, and I am not offended if people call me the word that rhymes with maggot. Also, the definition of "bigot" is somebody who spews out hate and claims that they are full of love, whereas I look at the argument from both ends and try any tactic possible to force the other person to see that what they are saying is going to get them into trouble (even if that means putting words into their mouth, which I will do if all other options have failed).

In other words...

I couldn't give a naff about what people believe in, as long as they don't force their beliefs on others. Also, being pro-heterosexuality doesn't mean being anti-gay, as what 2 consenting adults do to each other behind their own closed doors is not my business, and if they love each other, then that's all that matters to me.
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...I couldn't give a naff about what people believe in, as long as they don't force their beliefs on others...
You mean, like people who join forums on the internet, and start spewing patent bullshit about the subject being discussed by others who were keeping to their own little corner and not disturbing anyone?


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. . . what 2 consenting adults do to each other behind their own closed doors is not my business, and if they love each other, then that's all that matters to me.
That's very narrow-minded of you. An aquaintance of mine has a close friend who participates in sex parties with far more than two people at a time and they all don't love each other. She admits that such behavior is outside of her experience, but she doesn't judge her friend. Given the fact that he is HIV positive, all that matters to her is that he informs and protects the people with whom he "consents".


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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-04-2017, 06:32 PM

It's narrow-minded of you to call me narrow-minded for stating that I am not bothered about what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes. Yes, there are those wtf moments, but if an adult wants to have sex with an adult who consents, then that's okay by me.
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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-04-2017, 06:50 PM

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You mean, like people who join forums on the internet, and start spewing patent bullshit about the subject being discussed by others who were keeping to their own little corner and not disturbing anyone?
I actually joined this forum to find out what the Calvinist side of Christianity is like (the only source I knew of beforehand was the WBC) and then shape my own opinion about everything (I don't form my opinions using just one version of events).

Oh, and I also don't give in to society telling me what to think, as I'm in charge of my own brain, and I don't need a newspaper to tell me who did what etc.
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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-04-2017, 07:34 PM

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I actually joined this forum to find out what the Calvinist side of Christianity is like...
You did that, by READING.

After that, it was "oh I have to tell them how they're all wrong about everything", ie. forcing your views on people who have not attempted to do the same to you, exactly what you're complaining about.

So are you just stupid, a hypocrite, or a mixture?


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I actually joined this forum to find out what the Calvinist side of Christianity is like (the only source I knew of beforehand was the WBC) and then shape my own opinion about everything (I don't form my opinions using just one version of events).

Oh, and I also don't give in to society telling me what to think, as I'm in charge of my own brain, and I don't need a newspaper to tell me who did what etc.
Calvinism is that last thing you would use to describe the Landover Baptist Church. Calvin was French and a former cathylick, and believed in predestination - all of which are denounced by Landover Baptists.


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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-04-2017, 08:10 PM

Agnes,

Thank you so much for joining this forum. While I cannot speak for anyone else here, I welcome debate with you. I care deeply for your soul and wish only for you to find the healing love of Jesus Christ, and if debate is the means to that end, so be it.

Please forgive me for not quoting your individual responses. I think they have to be taken as a whole, rather than individually.

We at Landover Baptist Church care deeply about the problem of evil. The first problem of evil is identifying what it is. We take the position that evil is the act of living apart from God, and that the way to avoid evil is to follow God's word which is made explicit and whole in the King James Bible.

In that sense, is racism evil? You suggest that we look at Jesus to find out. I think that's an excellent idea. Jesus in fact is racist.

Matthew 15:22-28
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And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Here, Jesus correctly identifies a Canaanite as a dog. This is exactly how we at Landover identify Islamicismist terrorists. And you can see, that even though Jesus feels nothing but repugnance for this subhuman woman, His love is such that He addresses her concern nonetheless.


I believe that I should act the same as Jesus, to the extent that my weak soul is capable. I believe that I should be racist-- yet not let that racism prevent me from helping those towel-heads into God's kingdom. I think you'll find this attitude throughout the Landover Baptist community.


It is only by reading the King James Bible unflinchingly that we can learn what is God's will, that we can learn to avoid evils like egalitarianism. There are many who take only a part of God's word as their "truth"-- these people are like the atheists who blaspheme-with-faint-praise the name of Jesus by identifying Him as a "great philosopher." To be a Christian means to accept the entirety of His word. To accept anything less is to be an atheist or pagan, the people that all good Christians will be called upon to destroy whenever secular laws permit.
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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-04-2017, 10:49 PM

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Jesus was anti-racism,
Nope.

Matthew 15:22-26
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

After that she humiliates herself, acknowledging that she is just a dog while the Israelites are real people, and only then Jesus heals her daughter.

Matthew 10:1-6
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


That's not racist to you?

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He also wasn't white (he was Middle Eastern),
He was a descendant of David, and this is what the Holy Bible says about the appearance of David:

1 Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

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and no, I'm not being a bigot, because I do not claim to be superior or inferior to anybody (and neither should you).
This is not exactly what the word "bigotry" means, dear. It just means being very much attached to your own opinions.

Are you very attached to your own opinions? If so, then yes, you're a bigot.

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Nope. (See link above).

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I look at the argument from both ends and try any tactic possible to force the other person to see that what they are saying is going to get them into trouble (even if that means putting words into their mouth, which I will do if all other options have failed). to make him/her see the world the way I see it because, like every other bigot, I know my way is better.
I've fixed that sentence for ya, dear.
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Agnes,

Thank you so much for joining this forum. While I cannot speak for anyone else here, I welcome debate with you. I care deeply for your soul and wish only for you to find the healing love of Jesus Christ, and if debate is the means to that end, so be it.

Please forgive me for not quoting your individual responses. I think they have to be taken as a whole, rather than individually.

We at Landover Baptist Church care deeply about the problem of evil. The first problem of evil is identifying what it is. We take the position that evil is the act of living apart from God, and that the way to avoid evil is to follow God's word which is made explicit and whole in the King James Bible.

In that sense, is racism evil? You suggest that we look at Jesus to find out. I think that's an excellent idea. Jesus in fact is racist.

Matthew 15:22-28



Here, Jesus correctly identifies a Canaanite as a dog. This is exactly how we at Landover identify Islamicismist terrorists. And you can see, that even though Jesus feels nothing but repugnance for this subhuman woman, His love is such that He addresses her concern nonetheless.


I believe that I should act the same as Jesus, to the extent that my weak soul is capable. I believe that I should be racist-- yet not let that racism prevent me from helping those towel-heads into God's kingdom. I think you'll find this attitude throughout the Landover Baptist community.


It is only by reading the King James Bible unflinchingly that we can learn what is God's will, that we can learn to avoid evils like egalitarianism. There are many who take only a part of God's word as their "truth"-- these people are like the atheists who blaspheme-with-faint-praise the name of Jesus by identifying Him as a "great philosopher." To be a Christian means to accept the entirety of His word. To accept anything less is to be an atheist or pagan, the people that all good Christians will be called upon to destroy whenever secular laws permit.
I forgive most things. Also, you're confusing egalitarianism with feminism, as egalitarianism calls for equal rights regardless of gender, whereas feminism enforces the notion that us women are superior, and I know some humans who don't even deserve to be called dogs, and I also think that Jesus did many wonderful things. Also, not many people know this, but one of the things I want to do before I leave the mortal realm is to go and visit this particular place in Africa (cannot remember what country it's actually in) where the Garden of Eden is said to actually exist, and also this particular temple in Japan (cannot remember the name of it) where Jesus was said to have visited (as it is said that he visited many countries during his lifetime), plus many other places that are mentioned/referenced in the Bible. If that's not enough, I also want to learn Aramaic (the language that Jesus was said to have spoken), and if I ever revisit the US again (which I hope I do, because it's a beautiful country regardless of who is in power), I want to visit that giant Noah's Ark museum. Why do I say all of that? Because even though I come across as somebody who is unsaved etc, I have grown up with these stories, and I would rather go to hell for being an Agnostic Theist than live in a world where there is no religious freedom.

And please don't worry about my soul, as I am living true to myself, and that's all a soul could really ask for, and I don't mind how you view my quotes. I also have my own life and work alongside males, and if cutting myself on computer parts is a blessing, then I've had it millions of times. Also, last year, it rained on my birthday (I jumped for joy), and my scoliosis is also a blessing because I found out that I have a mild case of spina bifida which I wouldn't have known about if my scoliosis hadn't been diagnosed years ago, and I'm also able to figure out my limits (anything beyond that is a no-go, and that includes pregnancy etc).
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Default Re: Manchester BOMBING - sickening - 06-05-2017, 12:51 AM

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I forgive most things.
And that's part of where you're going wrong.

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You're using a special, limited definition of that word that's come into popularity on the internet due to people rushing from the stigma of the word "feminist." Don't get me wrong-- feminism is a terrible thing-- but sexual egalitarianism is like trading Beelzebub for Moloch.

I was using the word in the more general sense (which would be worthwhile to learn). From Miriam-Webster:

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a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
Egalitarianism in that sense includes opposition to racism. And Jesus Christ is not opposed to racism-- indeed, He models racism, to show us the proper way to be racist to foreigners.

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Also, not many people know this, but one of the things I want to do before I leave the mortal realm
So many plans! Put only one thing on your bucket list: read God's word and subject yourself to His word.

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You mention being an "agnostic theist." What god teaches you to live true to yourself??? Your god(s?) sounds like some comic-book superhero-- powerful, maybe, creative, maybe, but by what basis do you call him god and not peer? There is only one true God and He demands no such thing.
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