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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
08-31-2009, 09:06 PM
A pre-emptive rebuttal: politics is the art of the possible. We're not going to get anything done without the Catholics, and we're not going to get the Catholics' support if we continually reprove them for their shockingly-blasphemous heresies. There are times and places where that's appropriate and helpful; the process I am about to propose is not one of them. Similarly, we may have strong disagreements on the perpetuation of the Gifts of the Spirit. We should air those disagreements vigorously... outside of the context of what follows.
I believe the solution is quite simple: we need to establish a body of Godly, faithful Christians (and heretics who can be counted on to vote like Godly, faithful Christians). Men and women like Pat Robertson, Mike Huckabee, and Sarah Palin spring to mind. As stated, barring a hitherto-unseen wave of conversions (may it please the Lord) Catholics such as Alan Keyes and Bobby Jindal would have to be included.
Then, a Constitutional Amendment would be crafted that essentially constituted this body as the fourth branch of government. Its duty would be to vet any candidate for public office and any judicial appointee above the county level. This would absolutely include current officeholders; I'd expect quite a few people to be shown the door within hours after this body begins its deliberations. This body would be wholly-independent, appointing its own successors.
There's a two-fold beauty here. First of all, the Supreme Court can't overrule an Amendment, which would amount to finding the Constitution unconstitutional. This removes a huge enemy of traditional American values from the field. Secondly, Constitutional amendments are the last anti-Federalist, pro-State process we have left. You need a simple majority in the legislatures of thirty-eight states. We can just ignore populous Liberal behemoths like New York and California and work to convince the Dakotas and the Iowas that this proposed body would be in their interest. This extends to the state level as well- for example, we need 135 Texas State Legislators. Don't worry about the three or four Darwinist Democrats from Austin.
It's very doable. Then, we'd be able to create a truly Christian nation within the confines of our very flawed Constitution. The law is a matter of interpretation and, as we are constantly reminded, the Constitution is a living document. Well, some laws, like the case law that affords First Amendment protection from blasphemy, is going the way of the Dred Scott decision...
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-01-2009, 03:34 PM
Looking back at that great Era in Christian history in our new world (Salem) i can't help but sometimes feel a tad disappointed. Was justice truly served? Nineteen were hanged,one crushed to death by stones and a few died in prison but not one was burnt at the Stake! I keep asking myself,why was no one burnt alive? This has always bothered me.
Exodus 22:18 "Thou must not suffer a witch to live."
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-01-2009, 03:57 PM
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Looking back at that great Era in Christian history in our new world (Salem) i can't help but sometimes feel a tad disappointed. Was justice truly served? Nineteen were hanged,one crushed to death by stones and a few died in prison but not one was burnt at the Stake! I keep asking myself,why was no one burnt alive? This has always bothered me.
Exodus 22:18 "Thou must not suffer a witch to live."
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I figure there just wasn't enough firewood. They were still building the town and furniture and stuff.
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5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 02:48 PM
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Then, a Constitutional Amendment would be crafted
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Hi, Tom. Who would be crafting this Amendment? To date, the electorate has been pretty skittish about putting a voting majority of religious extremists in the legislature.
Another option is to live and let live, and every congregation gets a church, and every flock can draft its own charter as creatively as it likes, as long as it doesn't violate secular laws. That protects all of us, Baptists, Bibliophiles and Babies and all, from the extremist ideals from OTHER flocks.
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 03:12 PM
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A pre-emptive rebuttal . . . (lawyer stuff snipped)
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That is all way too complicated. What we need is something simple, like a little more frontier and community justice.
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Another option is to live and let live, and every congregation gets a church, and every flock can draft . . . (hippie stuff snipped)
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That's way too complicated (and unrealistic) as well. All you'd need is 2 or 3 witches to form their own community, and all of a sudden they are a local majority. That's no good. It is much simpler to just pluck them up and weed them out as the odd one appears.
Look, there is no good reason to be performing witchcraft, especially in today's technological era. Anyone caught practicing witchcraft is in reality guilty of gross stupidity. Getting them out of the gene pool makes sense, even to a secular humanist. Witch burning just seems to be a win-win kind of thing.
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 03:31 PM
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Look, there is no good reason to be performing witchcraft, especially in today's technological era. Anyone caught practicing witchcraft is in reality guilty of gross stupidity. Getting them out of the gene pool makes sense, even to a secular humanist. Witch burning just seems to be a win-win kind of thing.
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Well, let's gently set aside the tiny issues one might with your postulates, and return to the critical question running throughout the thread -- Can a thinking population define witchcraft in constant reverse terms, and believe it's removing the chances of a repeat of the adverse event by setting people on fire? First comes the effect, then the cause is "found" and is identified according to how effectively it allays the anxiety of the observer?
1. David's car won't start.
2. The woman next door has a black cat and thinks independently.
Therefore
3. She's a witch and cursed David's car.
Therefore
4. David burns her at the stake.
5. David's car still won't start.
Let's find the witch who REALLY cursed the car.
Apologies, but it just seems to me it'd be less trouble and more time-effective to get your alternator checked.
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 03:44 PM
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Well, let's gently set aside the tiny issues one might with your postulates, and return to the critical question running throughout the thread -- Can a thinking population define witchcraft in constant reverse terms, and believe it's removing the chances of a repeat of the adverse event by setting people on fire? First comes the effect, then the cause is "found" and is identified according to how effectively it allays the anxiety of the observer?
1. David's car won't start.
2. The woman next door has a black cat and thinks independently.
Therefore
3. She's a witch and cursed David's car.
Therefore
4. David burns her at the stake.
5. David's car still won't start.
Let's find the witch who REALLY cursed the car.
Apologies, but it just seems to me it'd be less trouble and more time-effective to get your alternator checked.
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So you are a car mechanic now aswell Isabella.
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 04:16 PM
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Can a thinking population define witchcraft in constant reverse terms, and believe it's removing the chances of a repeat of the adverse event by setting people on fire?
Apologies, but it just seems to me it'd be less trouble and more time-effective to get your alternator checked.
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Ah ha! Talk about false postulates!
First this seems a little elitist, that you don't trust society at large to be able to detect witches. You are all kumbaya and "let the people decide" until it becomes personal, eh?
Second, witch trials are not ad hoc affairs. If my car didn't start, then I would indeed take it to a certified mechanic first. If that doesn't work, then and only then do we start the witch hunt. If I drag an (alleged) witch before a magistrate without all the "i"'s dotted and all the "t"'s crossed, then I'll get laughed out of the court house. So I had better make sure I have adequate probably cause.
Next there needs to be witnesses, usually at least 2. Then there needs to be evidence, Like spectral evidence, the witch cake test, and the touch test, etc. Finally, there needs to be a conviction of "practicing witchcraft" and/or "unlawful contract with the Devil". And it is trial by jury, so it is all fair. Formal prosecution is all laid out nice and neat in: The Court of Oyer and Terminer.
So it is not like the image that you are trying to portray, that of an angry mob with pitchfork and torch. It is not like we are reactionary wide-eyed crazed lunatics. We use God and lawyers, and are very civilized about the whole thing
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 04:35 PM
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Next there needs to be witnesses, usually at least 2.
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Have you ever witnessed someone successfully engaging in witchcraft?
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It is not like we are reactionary wide-eyed crazed lunatics.
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Ah, Mr. David. I would never dream of calling you wide-eyed.
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 04:49 PM
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Have you ever witnessed someone successfully engaging in witchcraft?
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Yes, my ex-wife, but she had a really good lawyer so it was hard to make the charges stick.
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Ah, Mr. David. I would never dream of calling you wide-eyed.
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It gladdens me to hear it. I would be disappointed if you were trying to build a strawman to make your case
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-05-2009, 11:09 PM
A little history of the handmaidens of Satan:
"In the town of Ratisbon a certain young man who had an intrigue with a girl, wishing to leave her, lost his member; that is to say, some glamour was cast over it so that he could see or touch nothing but his smooth body. In his worry over this he went to a tavern to drink wine; and after he had sat there for a while he got into conversation with another woman who was there, and told her the cause of his sadness, explaining everything, and demonstrating in his body that it was so. The woman was astute, and asked whether he suspected anyone; and when he named such a one, unfolding the whole matter, she said: 'If persuasion is not enough, you must use some violence, to induce her to restore to you your health.' So in the evening the young man watched the way by which the witch was in the habit of going, and finding her, prayed her to restore to him the health of his body. And when she maintained that she was innocent and knew nothing about it, he fell upon her, and winding a towel tightly about her neck, choked her, saying: 'Unless you give me back my health, you shall die at my hands.' Then she, being unable to cry out, and growing black, said: 'Let me go, and I will heal you.' The young man then relaxed the pressure of the towel, and the witch touched him with her hand between the thighs, saying: 'Now you have what you desire.' And the young man, as he afterwards said, plainly felt, before he had verified it by looking or touching, that his member had been restored to him by the mere touch of the witch."
– "How, As It Were, [Witches] Deprive Man of His Virile Member," Malleus Maleficarum, 1487
I think this ancient, and thus respected, text witnesses to the horrors of witchcraft perfectly.
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-06-2009, 01:44 AM
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A little history of the handmaidens of Satan: – "How, As It Were, [Witches] Deprive Man of His Virile Member," Malleus Maleficarum, 1487
I think this ancient, and thus respected, text witnesses to the horrors of witchcraft perfectly.
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GASP!! Mr. Bathfire! You're referring to and quoting a CATHOLIC TEXT from the Inquisition!
(and a silly one at that...)
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-13-2009, 09:10 PM
Doesnt anyone think that as a society its time we stop murdering people over ancient superstitions?
How many witches did jesus burn alive in front of their children?
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-14-2009, 12:40 AM
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Doesnt anyone think that as a society its time we stop murdering people over ancient superstitions?
How many witches did jesus burn alive in front of their children?
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Jesus did't need to burn them. He'd just toss them a look and the demons would flee and they'd be Saved©, shout glory.
He did have a few choice words about unrepentant Godmocking scum like you who think they're smart...
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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-15-2009, 03:20 AM
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Jesus did't need to burn them. He'd just toss them a look and the demons would flee and they'd be Saved©, shout glory.
He did have a few choice words about unrepentant Godmocking scum like you who think they're smart...
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That verse from Luke was from a PARABLE (which means Jesus didn't say it directly, but rather the guy in the parable said it). That makes about as much sense as me quoting myself claiming Jesus' quotes as my own when I read the Gospel at Mass!
Also, I think the liberal population was God's punishment upon us for the witch-hunt. Maybe if more people repented and acknowledged these hunts for the evil slaughter of innocents that they were, there'd be less liberals in New England, you'd think?
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But Peter and the apostles said in reply, "We must obey God rather than men."
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There you have it-so WHAT'S STOPPING YOU COWARDS?
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Re: Salem 1692 God's will was done. Then what happened? Liberals! -
09-15-2009, 08:24 AM
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That verse from Luke was from a PARABLE (which means Jesus didn't say it directly, but rather the guy in the parable said it).
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You seriously misunderstand Jesus' parables don't you? Jesus used parables to teach a moral lesson and often times Jesus would play a role in the parable. If you've actually read the parable, "Father", instead of interjecting your seed in the rectums of alter boys, you would clearly see that that the nobleman in the parable is a representative of Jesus.
It is a parable of his followers. And like the fateful servant, you come to the Lord with what you reaped that you did not sow.
And accordingly the following verse applies to you, Mr. Tom Martin...
27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
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11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
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