Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Meek and Humble · 03:36 AM

I found a great article online, and in case you don't feel like reading it all (it's quite long), I'll summarize it here for you:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism

-All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.

-Atheists try to shift the burden of proof unfairly upon theists (ie, atheists make the wild and unprovable claim that God does not exist, and then unfairly expect us Christians to prove that He DOES exist)

-The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)

-Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God.

-Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise.

-Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.

-Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.

-Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own.

-a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history.

-no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.

-I quote: "The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality" Despicable.

-I quote: "
Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs."

-atheists don't believe in miracles, although many Christian philosophers disagree.

-atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.

-Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists.

-Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)

-Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil.

-Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil.

-many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive.

-Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing.

-Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them.

-Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!

-There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know?

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-there is a pro-atheist bias in the liberal controlled media, but as we know from stated above that atheism is on the decline, this hardly matters.

-Causes of atheism (I quote): moral depravity, rebellion, superficiality, error, state churches, poor relationship with father, division in religion, learned times, peace, and prosperity, negative experiences with theists, scientism.

-atheists question why evil exists since God is good, but don't ask why good exists if God isn't real.

-early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two.

-Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist

-Some Christian apologists have problems with the beliefs of Bertrand Russell

-Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates

-Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens.

A poll found these results =

Position: This group does not at all agree with
my vision of American society: I would disapprove if my child wanted
to marry a member of this group: Atheist 39.6% 47.6%

Therefore, the majority of normal people clearly know atheism is evil.

-atheists criticism of the Bible can't be trusted because, I quote: "a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields.... Not even most scholars in the field can master every aspect"

Of course, I quote: The Bible is still loved by millions, read by millions, and studied by millions.

-atheists make bad arguments on the internet, says Christian apologist.

-atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior.

-Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists, therefore, I quote: "God is not 'dead' in academia; he returned to life in the 1960's and is now alive and well in his last academic stronghold, philosophy departments."

-atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God.

-atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.

-atheists make up a small percentage of the world population, therefore it is wrong.

-a lot of famous people said bad stuff about atheists

~~MariaVanRooijen~~

All right, let's break this down:

"-All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals."

I'm an atheist. Yes, I believe in evolution, but I do have morals, and I do not believe that we should act like animals.

"-Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God."

Which famous atheists? (I'm not doubting you; there are always some people who question their beliefs, but the key to a successful argument is providing examples). Also, just because "some" atheists have questioned their beliefs, doesn't mean that "all" atheists actually do believe in god. You're using the fact that a minority questioned their beliefs to try and prove that the majority holds the same sentiment, which is simply false logic.

"-Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists."

Although I do believe that the fundamental idea of communism is ideal, I also believe that it would never work as a system, therefore I don't consider myself a communist.

"-Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical."

I can use that exact same logic but instead say "Because we can think of the existence of Evolution, Evolution must obviously exist, and therefore Christians are illogical".

"There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history."

David Berkowitz: Killed 6 people, wounded 7 others. Renounced Judaism at a young age, converted to Baptism. Became a Born-Again Christian while in prison.

Sampson Kanderayi: AKA the "Ax Killer". Murdered 30 people. A Christian.

Coral Eugene Watts: May have murdered as many as 80 women and girls. He was a Christian who supposedly murdered to get rid of evil spirits.

Jeffrey Dahmer: Born-Again Christian who murdered 17 men and boys and cannibalized their remains.

Donald Miller: Raped and murdered four women. Conservative Christian who always carried a bible.

"-no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism."

I beg to differ. My family gives to causes like Big Brother Big Sister, Homeless Veterans of America, Doctors Without Borders, and other charities, and I always give money to homeless people I see.

"The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality"

Every person is different. Atheism doesn't make a person more likely to engage in risky behaviors any more than theism makes a person more likely to be chaste until marriage. Let's look at three examples, shall we? We'll be using myself and my two cousins.

Me:
Age: 19
Gender: female
Location: Massachusetts
Beliefs: atheist
Drug use: never
Alcohol consumption: never
Comprehensive sex-ed in school, or Abstinence Only? Comprehensive sex ed
Sex: never
Abortion: none
Cohabitation: live with my parents, never had a boyfriend
Obscene language: yes
Gambling: never
Pornography: I'll admit, I watch it...
Obscene sexual behavior: still a virgin, so no
Homosexuality/bisexuality: no

Katie (cousin):
Age: 22-23ish?
Gender: female
Location: Texas
Beliefs: fundamentalist Christian
Drug use: big time
Alcohol consumption: yes
Comprehensive sex-ed in school, or Abstinence Only? Abstinence Only
Sex: yes, baby at 16
Abortion: no
Cohabitation: lived with boyfriend for a time
Obscene language: yes
Gambling: not sure
Pornography: not sure
Obscene sexual behavior: does getting pregnant at 16 count as obscene?
Homosexuality/bisexuality: no

Tara (cousin):
Age: 27-28ish?
Gender: female
Location: Texas
Beliefs: fundamentalist Christian
Drug use: some
Alcohol consumption: yes
Comprehensive sex-ed in school, or Abstinence Only? Abstinence Only
Sex: yes, out-of-wedlock baby at 21
Abortion: no
Cohabitation: before and (obviously) after marriage
Obscene language: yes
Gambling: not sure
Pornography: not sure
Obscene sexual behavior: out of wedlock baby
Homosexuality/bisexuality: no

"-atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists."

Once again, poor logic.

"-Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians."

Source, please?

"This is attributed to theists having something more to life for."

I have plenty to live for, thank you very much. And besides, I thought that the only thing Christians cared about was the afterlife. All those crazy fundamentalists praising and looking forward to armageddon because they can't wait to go to the afterlife.

"-Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself."

I have absolutely no desire to kill myself.

"-Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil."

Sooooo...one man claimed that religion was unhealthy, which many doctors disagreed with...so that makes atheism evil? So that means that if one doctor claimed that eating chicken was bad for you, but other doctors disagreed with him, it would then be deemed evil to abstain from eating chicken?

"-many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive."

Source, please? And once again, you're trying to group all atheists together into a group of deceivers simply because some notable ones tell lies.

"-Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing."

Source?
P.S. atheism is not the same thing as evolutionary theory. Just because someone doesn't believe that there is a god doesn't mean that they believe that evolution is the answer to the question of how humans got here.

"-Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)"

There is absolutely no logic in that statement.

"-Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them."

Christians believe in cold, hard facts? Last time I checked, Christians believe in a god who has yet to show himself to us.

"-There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )"

If the mere fact that there are many anti-atheist blogs is proof that atheism is wrong, then by your logic, the fact that there are many anti-christian blogs is proof that christianity is wrong.

"-early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two."

Early scientists were also ancient Greeks and Egyptians, long before the bible was even written.

"-Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist"

Well good for Sir Francis Bacon. What does he want, a freaking medal?

"-Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates"

Source?

"-Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens."

http://exchristian.net/

"-atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior."

http://www.landoverbaptist.net
http://christwire.org

"-Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists"

Yeah, and that means that the other 3/4 or 2/3 are atheists. So what are you so proud of?

"-atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God."

So then why did you just devote an entire post to why atheism is wrong?
P.S. atheism does really exist. I do not believe in god.

"-atheists make up a small percentage of the world population, therefore it is wrong."

The Bowhead Whale also makes up a small percentage of the world's whale population. Does that mean that it is wrong to be a Bowhead Whale?

"-a lot of famous people said bad stuff about atheists"

Wow

~~DavidP~~

Quote:

Originally Posted by MariaVanRooijen

All right, let's break this down:

"-All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals."

I'm an atheist. Yes, I believe in evolution, but I do have morals, and I do not believe that we should act like animals.

"-Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God."

Which famous atheists? (I'm not doubting you; there are always some people who question their beliefs, but the key to a successful argument is providing examples). Also, just because "some" atheists have questioned their beliefs, doesn't mean that "all" atheists actually do believe in god. You're using the fact that a minority questioned their beliefs to try and prove that the majority holds the same sentiment, which is simply false logic.

"-Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists."

Although I do believe that the fundamental idea of communism is ideal, I also believe that it would never work as a system, therefore I don't consider myself a communist.

"-Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical."

I can use that exact same logic but instead say "Because we can think of the existence of Evolution, Evolution must obviously exist, and therefore Christians are illogical".

"There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history."

David Berkowitz: Killed 6 people, wounded 7 others. Renounced Judaism at a young age, converted to Baptism. Became a Born-Again Christian while in prison.

Sampson Kanderayi: AKA the "Ax Killer". Murdered 30 people. A Christian.

Coral Eugene Watts: May have murdered as many as 80 women and girls. He was a Christian who supposedly murdered to get rid of evil spirits.

Jeffrey Dahmer: Born-Again Christian who murdered 17 men and boys and cannibalized their remains.

Donald Miller: Raped and murdered four women. Conservative Christian who always carried a bible.

"-no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism."

I beg to differ. My family gives to causes like Big Brother Big Sister, Homeless Veterans of America, Doctors Without Borders, and other charities, and I always give money to homeless people I see.

"The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality"

Every person is different. Atheism doesn't make a person more likely to engage in risky behaviors any more than theism makes a person more likely to be chaste until marriage. Let's look at three examples, shall we? We'll be using myself and my two cousins.

Me:
Age: 19
Gender: female
Location: Massachusetts
Beliefs: atheist
Drug use: never
Alcohol consumption: never
Comprehensive sex-ed in school, or Abstinence Only? Comprehensive sex ed
Sex: never
Abortion: none
Cohabitation: live with my parents, never had a boyfriend
Obscene language: yes
Gambling: never
Pornography: I'll admit, I watch it...
Obscene sexual behavior: still a virgin, so no
Homosexuality/bisexuality: no

Katie (cousin):
Age: 22-23ish?
Gender: female
Location: Texas
Beliefs: fundamentalist Christian
Drug use: big time
Alcohol consumption: yes
Comprehensive sex-ed in school, or Abstinence Only? Abstinence Only
Sex: yes, baby at 16
Abortion: no
Cohabitation: lived with boyfriend for a time
Obscene language: yes
Gambling: not sure
Pornography: not sure
Obscene sexual behavior: does getting pregnant at 16 count as obscene?
Homosexuality/bisexuality: no

Tara (cousin):
Age: 27-28ish?
Gender: female
Location: Texas
Beliefs: fundamentalist Christian
Drug use: some
Alcohol consumption: yes
Comprehensive sex-ed in school, or Abstinence Only? Abstinence Only
Sex: yes, out-of-wedlock baby at 21
Abortion: no
Cohabitation: before and (obviously) after marriage
Obscene language: yes
Gambling: not sure
Pornography: not sure
Obscene sexual behavior: out of wedlock baby
Homosexuality/bisexuality: no

"-atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists."

Once again, poor logic.

"-Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians."

Source, please?

"This is attributed to theists having something more to life for."

I have plenty to live for, thank you very much. And besides, I thought that the only thing Christians cared about was the afterlife. All those crazy fundamentalists praising and looking forward to armageddon because they can't wait to go to the afterlife.

"-Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself."

I have absolutely no desire to kill myself.

"-Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil."

Sooooo...one man claimed that religion was unhealthy, which many doctors disagreed with...so that makes atheism evil? So that means that if one doctor claimed that eating chicken was bad for you, but other doctors disagreed with him, it would then be deemed evil to abstain from eating chicken?

"-many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive."

Source, please? And once again, you're trying to group all atheists together into a group of deceivers simply because some notable ones tell lies.

"-Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing."

Source?
P.S. atheism is not the same thing as evolutionary theory. Just because someone doesn't believe that there is a god doesn't mean that they believe that evolution is the answer to the question of how humans got here.

"-Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)"

There is absolutely no logic in that statement.

"-Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them."

Christians believe in cold, hard facts? Last time I checked, Christians believe in a god who has yet to show himself to us.

"-There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )"

If the mere fact that there are many anti-atheist blogs is proof that atheism is wrong, then by your logic, the fact that there are many anti-christian blogs is proof that christianity is wrong.

"-early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two."

Early scientists were also ancient Greeks and Egyptians, long before the bible was even written.

"-Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist"

Well good for Sir Francis Bacon. What does he want, a freaking medal?

"-Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates"

Source?

"-Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens."

http://exchristian.net/

"-atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior."

http://www.landoverbaptist.net
http://christwire.org

"-Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists"

Yeah, and that means that the other 3/4 or 2/3 are atheists. So what are you so proud of?

"-atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God."

So then why did you just devote an entire post to why atheism is wrong?
P.S. atheism does really exist. I do not believe in god.

"-atheists make up a small percentage of the world population, therefore it is wrong."

The Bowhead Whale also makes up a small percentage of the world's whale population. Does that mean that it is wrong to be a Bowhead Whale?

"-a lot of famous people said bad stuff about atheists"

Wow

I'm not aetheist, but I have to agree with this girl.

Enraged

This is a joke right? I mean you really can't be that stupid? I'm an active duty service member, I'm an Atheist in the foxhole. I would more than love, in fact I would be joyful and smiling to have the opportunity to slowly and gruesomely send each and every one of you stupid pricks to your false God. I was so enraged by your stupidity I took the time out of my day just to create this user account and tell you how stupid you are. piffle Jesus, piffle Yahweh, piffle Allah, piffle Buddha, piffle all of you stupid mother piffleers. I hope you all die horrible painful deaths. Pray to your invisible piffleing god that it isn't me that finds you.

Zechariah Smyth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enraged

This is a joke right? I mean you really can't be that stupid? I'm an active duty service member, I'm an Atheist in the foxhole. I would more than love, in fact I would be joyful and smiling to have the opportunity to slowly and gruesomely send each and every one of you stupid pricks to your false God. I was so enraged by your stupidity I took the time out of my day just to create this user account and tell you how stupid you are. piffle Jesus, piffle Yahweh, piffle Allah, piffle Buddha, piffle all of you stupid mother piffleers. I hope you all die horrible painful deaths. Pray to your invisible piffleing god that it isn't me that finds you.

Friend, your hatred of Jesus has clouded your judgment. Won't you give up your life of anal sex and narcotics and join us in Heaven?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

A Follower

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enraged

This is a joke right? I mean you really can't be that stupid? I'm an active duty service member, I'm an Atheist in the foxhole. I would more than love, in fact I would be joyful and smiling to have the opportunity to slowly and gruesomely send each and every one of you stupid pricks to your false God. I was so enraged by your stupidity I took the time out of my day just to create this user account and tell you how stupid you are. piffle Jesus, piffle Yahweh, piffle Allah, piffle Buddha, piffle all of you stupid mother piffleers. I hope you all die horrible painful deaths. Pray to your invisible piffleing god that it isn't me that finds you.

And thank you for showing atheists have no morals whatsoever. It's horrible that you atheists want to murder all Christians. God forbids you to kill except in some specific instances where He disagrees with people's actions, race, thoughts, location or beliefs.

Redeemed Papist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enraged

The hatred that comes from having no moral compass.

It's not too late to repent of your hate and accept Jesus' love bursting deep inside you. God hates you for a reason - because you hate Him, it's only fair.

All you have to do is believe in Him and thank Him for allowing you to live this far by worshipping Him and thereby avoiding the eternal torment He has lovingly provided for you to avoid by worshipping Him.

The bonus is that you then get to spend eternity with us, laughing at the people who didn't repent as they scream.

Forever.

GLORY!

HTannor

Does anyone have some Cliff's Notes for this?

Serrya

QUOTE=Heathen_Basher;406812]Don't lie now. According to you, there is no reason we CAN'T act like animals, rather than our own choices.

You are right there, sorta....only our choices stop us from "acting like animals". But also our innate sense of Empathy, which is shared by all humans, even those in cultures that have never come in contact with Christian Religions.

You fail to say that communism is inherently evil, so yes, you ARE a communist!

Communisim is not inherently evil. Communism is a concept. Saying it is evil is like saying that Calculus is evil. The dictorators whom claimed to practice Communism though are a different story.

No, do some research. Saint Anselm, the man who came up with this argument (the Ontological argument) said it can ONLY apply to God!

The Flying Spegehtti Monster can be "conveived" Therefore, he must be exist. He created the world, first a mountian, then a tree, then a midget. He loves all his children, and in fact holds each and everyone of us on the earth with his noodily appendage. (How does GOD explain why we dont fly off into space?)

Yes, but that doesn't matter. Jesus washed away their sins, so it's like they never happened. They are all now happily in heaven: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...ghlight=dahmer

Therefore, God condones Murder. Need I say more?

So you only give to communist-esque organizations that try to support those too lazy to work for themselves? I was referring to REAL charities.

"The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality"

Every person is different. Atheism doesn't make a person more likely to engage in risky behaviors any more than theism makes a person more likely to be chaste until marriage. Let's look at three examples, shall we? We'll be using myself and my two cousins.

*boring chit chat deleted*[/QUOTE]

I didn't say whether you did those things or not. I said whether you supported them.

Using your reasoning ALL charities, expect converting missions, can be considered "communist-esque". Therefore it would be better NOT to support them wouldn't it?

So it's poor logic just because you say so?

Actually, yes it is poor logic. For an agruement to be sound, you need to have proof. Your agruement is full of holes, and you are attempting to state a fact as its own proof. But are you are obviously wrong. Christianity can not explain fly we dont fly off the surface of the Earth, NOR can it explain Global Warming. Therefore, The Flying Spegehtti Monster exists. ( He holds us down with his holy noodily appendages and Global Warming is caused by the decrease population of Pirates)

check the article.

If you don't include: starvation, HIV/AIDS, Lepersy, Malaria, sexual abuse trauma, physical abuse trauma, delusions, parasites such as tape worms, ring worms etc, pneumonia, Tuberculosis, Measles, Syphilis......to name a few.....all of which kill and harm MILLIONS of third world Christians...then yes, maybe Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians."

False. Christians are happy in this world and the next. Atheists suffer forever

Read answer above ^ I suggest you go to a third world, Africian Christian village, starve and contract HIV and see how happy you are in this world. And if suffering is only in this world, and eternal happiest in the "next", Oh, and since we proved that "christian murderers" go to heaven anyway, why don't you all form a line to go?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

That comment makes no sense? But, Atheism doens't make you want to kill yourself depression does. And yes, Christians get depressed. Maybe its the knowledge that "I know that I am worthless. I know I am completely pathetic and miserable, dirty, evil, sinful, disgusting. I am the lowest of lows. I am a worm. Less than a worm. I don't even deserve to live."

Yes, it IS evil to abstain from eating chicken, how dare you even suggest such filthy conduct!

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiviing:

The Bible says "Thou Shall not Kill." But it also says "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live" Does that make the bible wrong?

All of you tell lies though. No Christian has EVER lied!

Does this go back to the "no mass murderer" comment? Jesus died for your sins, therefore, all "lies' are erased? Hypothetically, even if that were true, your comment WOULD be a lie cause for the lie to have been "erased" it would have to have been said in the first place, which means lies WERE said, therefore Christians DO Lie, they are just "forgiven" that transgression.

No, all atheists believe in evolution, don't you know anything?

Your point?

Are you saying the fine people at conservapedia.com are illogical? It's their statement.

If they said that, then yes, they are illogical. But i don't don't see why that should be so hard to believe. A group of people can be illogical just as a single person can. Yes, Millions of people CAN be wrong.

Um, He HAS shown Himself. It's called the BIBLE! Read it sometime.

I have, and I wonder how anyone can worship such a cruel, careless, uncompassnate "lord". By the way, that is circular logic. "The Bible is true because it is God's word, God is real because it says so in the bible" is a logical fallacy.

No, anti-Christian blogs prove Christianity is 100% true. Jesus promised we would be persecuted for our faith

Which Christian group exactly? Yours? Catholics? They were told they would be persecuted too . . .

Wrong. They practiced MAGIC. Quite different.

Wrong. Earily Sciencitists were ancient Greeks...in fact they INVENTED Science and the Mathmatics used in science, such as Physics an Calculus. They also invented the rules of Logic etc... Christian thinkers picked it up durning the Reneissance.

Is that how you treat one of the greatest minds of all of history?

What about great Islam thinkers? Such as Jabir Ibn Hayyan, known to be the father of Modern Chemistry? Or Sun Tzu, a Chinese Military Genius? Religion/ethnicity holds little bearing on "great minds".
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IF that is true, its only because Atheists tire of Christian's rediculous claims.

I don't follow links into Satanic websites, sorry.

This could be taken as a statement of defeat. You accuse Atheists of many things, but you are not open to an honest debate? Figures.

I meant stoop to the horrid behavior of promoting atheism. Christians NEVER do that! We only try to convert people the the TRUTH®

The truth as YOU KNOW IT. Or..believe it to be anyway.

Why are you so full of hate?

Because you hate no one.....expect Atheists obviously. You know, The KKK are a Christian group.

So why did you just devote an entire post to something you don't believe in?

She didn't actually. Nor am I. We are merely pointing out the faults in your logic.

Yes, it is wrong. I can assure you there are NO Bowhead Whales in heaven!

All Dogs go to heaven though right?

I certainly hope you are being sarcastic. If you really mean this garbage, I pity you.[/QUOTE]

"This Garbage" As in this post! Glad to have you wish us!

Remember!!! The Flying Spegehtti Monster Loves you!

HTannor

What in the Hell is this blather?

Altair

I came to this site looking to find God and all I found was disgusting, vile, despicable people that have done nothing more then make me an atheist. So, if god is real, when I go before him to be judged, I am going to tell him you people were the ones that turned me away from Christianity.

"All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals."

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Well, lets explore that and I'll use the bible.

Lets look at human sacrifice, because god loves the smell of burning flesh.

Judges 11:29-40
"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter."

A sample of Gods intolerance.

Deuteronomy 13:13-19
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."

Now. lets look at rape.

Judges 21:10-24
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

More rape

Numbers 31:7-18
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Murder, rape and slavery.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Now, lets look at laws concerning rape.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Rape and baby killing (God really loves rape)

2 Samuel 12:11-14
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.' Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."

More rape but at least he shows some compassion.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

God allows you to sell your daughter as a sex slave.

Exodus 21:7-11
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

And the rape continues

Zechariah 14:1-2
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.

Well, that's all the rape I can stomach so let us move on to murder.

Leviticus 21:9
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

The murder of non-believers (how many atheist have you murder to please god).

2 Chronicles 15:12-13
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

the murder of false prophets (which should include Christian prophets)

Zechariah 13:3
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.

God wants you to murder non-virgins.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

Murder liars.

Leviticus 24:10-16
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.

"God hates fags", right. What are you guys sitting around for. Go kill some fags.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." It doesn't say anything about lesbians. Is god a pervert who gets off on some girl on girl action?

Kill any one who works on a Saturday.

Exodus 31:12-15
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.

The murder of children.

2 Kings 2:23-24
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.

Murder the curious. So don't ask questions.

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?

God likes to kill non-violent people too.

1 Kings 20:35-36
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

God kills a man who was just trying to help.

2 Samuel 6:3-7
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals. When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God.

Murder the innocent for the crimes of the parents.

Isaiah 14:21
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.

The murder of men woman and even children.

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

More murder of children.

Hosea 9:11-16
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.

God even kills innocent babies. So much for God being pro-life.

Exodus 12:29-30
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.

Well, I could go on and on but this is taking a long time so I will finish with a few more.

God approves of the keeping and beating of slaves. Just don't kill them right away. make sure they suffer for at least a day.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Surely Jesus knew better, right?

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Christian slaves are exempt, right? Jesus wouldn't allow Christians to be kept as slaves.

1 Timothy 6:1-2
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

See, it's okay to have slaves, because Jesus said so. Who does Abraham Lincoln Think he is. He defied God and forced America to give up African-American slaves. You probably think he is burning in hell right now too.

What a fiend we have is God.

So do Christians really believe in morality? The bible makes them look more like animals or at least savages.

I would respond to the claim that Christians never lie but this has taken me hours already and that would take me even longer to cover.

Don't bother asking me why I'm so full of hate and want to persecute you. It was your hate and persecution that filled me with hate and it was your God that filled you with hate. I guess hate is contagious.

Christians rely on Faith because they don't have facts.
Atheists rely on facts because they don't have faith.

Mrs. Rogers

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Originally Posted by Altair

Christians rely on Faith because they don't have facts.

Oh nonsense. We have the Bible as fact, because the Bible tells us that it is the Word of God.

Nothing can be more factual than the Word of GOD, can it? Of course not! So that's quite enough of your quibbling, dear.

Nurse Clampett

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Originally Posted by Altair

But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

I thought that was communism.

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Communism

The evil philosophies of fascism and communism were the two great 20th century mass killers. Of these, communism was the greatest killer. 100 million men, women and children have been murdered by socialism so far, and the killing continues today, notably in North Korea. In terms of body count, socialism is by far the most evil religion, the most evil ideology of any sort, of all time. Behind the Iron Curtain, communists stamped out freethought as efficiently as in any authoritarian religious state. Communists are not sceptics, and are atheists only superficially. Marx and Lenin founded an irrational religion every bit as dogmatic, credulous, and opposed to freethought as any of the older religions they criticised.

LINK

GOD=life

Altair, you did nothing more than copy/paste a rant from an atheist website.

This is very simple to prove: we ONLY use the KJV 1611 Bible, not any other version. Yet, the "horrible" parts you quote are NOT from the KJV 1611 Bible.

For example, you open with Judges 11:29:

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"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout (KJV says "passed over", NOT through) the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army (this is NOT in the KJV!!!!) against the Ammonites.

Here's the KJV 1611 version:

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Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.

That's odd, this is completely different:

You replaced the word "then" with "at that time". This gives the sentence a completely different meaning. Why was this done? The word "then" is not exactly arcane, right?
It speaks of the Spirit of the LORD passing over, not going through. This is like flying over a city vs. driving through it with a car.
It mentions "passed over" twice, while your version makes this one action with "including"
And then there is a third time that we get "passed over", which is the CHILDREN of Ammon.
YOUR version says "led an army". This does not appear in the KJV at all.

So, not surprisingly, from your CORRUPTED Bible version, you can say "wow, the Bible is bad because it mentions the leading of an army, when this is mentioned NO WHERE in the KJV 1611 Bible.

So what did you "prove" exactly? Nothing. The Bible you quote from is not God's Bible. You might as well quote from the islamic qur'an to "prove" God does not exist.