[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Goldenshark

Maryelethreda

I am very happy that someone on this forum has researched science instead of just binning it on regard if faith, however your knowledge of science cannot be that great if, like many of your contemporaries you disregard things like evolution even though all evidence supports it.

On the contrary, not only do I have a superior knowledge of faith because I do not dismiss information available, but because the Author of All Creation lives inside me and I have a Personal Relationship with Him. If I am wrong, I trust Him to correct me. Who do you consider to be the better resource, someone who is trying to figure out Creation, or the Creator Himself?

the reason scientists do their own, proper research is to find it out properly. The Bible is not true and to base science on it would be silly. Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed, faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

What's silly is watching Darwiniss pretend science isn't about observation, tests, or repeating experiments. Fairy stories about evolution are absurd, and secularists should be embarrassed to talk about this in public, much less teach it to impressionable children. If evolution were true, I should be able to throw a chicken, onion, and salt block in my oven and wait for it to evolve into a Beef Wellington dinner. But that will never happen because we can observe, test, and repeat such experiments to show evolution is, by definition, not science.

If Darwinists knew how science worked, then they would therefore reject Darwinism for the exact reasons that I've just stated it.

While I confess to not meeting Trump...the most racist, sexist, homophobic and plain ignorant person I have ever met.

This is why we can't have nice things. Secularists who say they study science can't be bothered to remember what fabrications they invent from one breath to the next. They're the most gullible people on the planet, with the possible exception of SJWs.

[newChristian36]

Roman church and Atheists ... is there anything here worth listening to? Only the true responses from good Christians

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

[Faith_Machine]

Dear Goldenshark,

I am so sick and tired of you nonbelievers claiming you're here because you want to understand our beliefs.

There is nothing hard about understanding our beliefs; pick up a Bible and start reading it.

What is your real agenda, boy?

Trying to bait us into saying something you don't approve of so you can post screen shots on your Reddit blog?

God will sort you out.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

Originally Posted by Goldenshark

In fact, the main reason I have not been to the US is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.

How likely do you believe that to be?

[Goldenshark]

Maryethelreda

You may indeed have a superior knowledge of the Bible, but I imagine that I have a far superior knowledge of the faiths around the world. I consider scientists who do proper tests to be a much better resource than an imaginary creator whose myths have been disproven by science. Scientists also don't try to figure out creation, because creation did not happen, they do tests to prove what actually happened.

Evolution is science becuase is is observable and testable and been proven to be true, and we teach it to children instead of your indoctrinated nonsense is becuase it is true. Your idea of making a chicken meal and waiting for it to turn into a beef one is completely irrelevant (a bit like the bible) to evolution. You are right that the chicken will not evolve into beef for multiple reasons

- They have completely different molecular makeups
- Evolution does not happen in dead things
- Evolution takes thousands of years

I apologise for my typo, I was too busy writing a paper on evolution.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Goldenshark

Maryethelreda

You may indeed have a superior knowledge of the Bible, but I imagine that I have a far superior knowledge of the faiths around the world.

Those are irrelevant. If you had superior knowledge of Santa's reindeer or Voldemort's genealogy, it would be no more helpful to real life than your knowledge of false beliefs all around the world. Looking into the ancient belief systems of various cultures around the world won't give you any insight into how the natural world works, even if it does offer an interesting glimpse into the ancient culture of long ago societies. No wonder you secularists are so lost. You keep looking in all the wrong places, lol!

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Goldenshark

[some appeals to personal authority removed as it is the evidence that counts and not boasting]
Evolution is science becuase is is observable and testable and been proven to be true, and we teach it to children instead of your indoctrinated nonsense is becuase it is true. Your idea of making a chicken meal and waiting for it to turn into a beef one is completely irrelevant (a bit like the bible) to evolution. You are right that the chicken will not evolve into beef for multiple reasons

- They have completely different molecular makeups
- Evolution does not happen in dead things
- Evolution takes thousands of years

I apologise for my typo, I was too busy writing a paper on evolution.

Dear Sinner,

I certainly hope you make one of your educated colleagues read your paper on evolution before submitting it to peer review as some of the basic concepts within the atheist framework are all over the place when it comes to your ideas on evolution. Chicken and bovines do not have very different molecular makeups. The membrane lipids, macromolecules and reactions of energy metabolism, even the DNA base sequences are remarkably similar between these Created Kinds. In fact, all mammalian kinds and avian kinds share 65% of their DNA, not at all "completely different".

Again, based on the atheist theory, horizontal gene transfer is an important part of evolutionary change. While it can be said to take place between living organisms, that is not really absolutely necessary, as it is enough if the actual DNA/RNA is transferred and embedded into the recipient genome.

Finally, still according to the atheist theory, thousands of years do produce some variation but speciation within this time frame is unlikely. Obviously, you should clarify your definition of "evolution". If you mean a permanent change in the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium and thus a change in the allele frequency of a population (meaning that a gene has been fixed), thousands of years is more than adequate. Regarding speciation, you usually require - again, within the atheist theory - millions of years unless whole genome duplication etc. induces a rapid but permanent block for interbreeding.

Dear friend, what is your paper on evolution about? Even if it is within the atheist frame, you could probably use some help. We are here to help you regarding the big picture. You really should understand what you're talking about, both when it comes to the atheist theory of Darwinism and - even more - when you discuss the Bible.

Proverbs 30:3
I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.

We are well aware that in a hypothetical world that did not know Jesus, evolutionary theory would have no competition. If you relied on observations, the evidence would be overwhelming. The transitional fossils between Coelocanth fish and primitive amphibians form the alleged Devonian (Tiktaalik, Ichtyostega) would leave no room for doubt. The transition of the quadrate and angular into middle ear ossicles shows exceptionally well-preserved phases of development. Even the best studies in Creation Science (such as the RATE project about radioactive dating procedures) fail miserably within the hypothetical world that has been abandoned by God. In fact, the RATE study is an important one as it shows the way how the evidence must be harmonized with the Truth™.

Basically, the Creation Scientists of the RATE project concluded that the amount of radioactive decay claimed by the secularists (>4 billion years) is the right amount of decay but the decay must have happened within the True™ 6000-year time frame (Genesis 1:1). That is why we introduced "accelerated decay", the rate of radionuclides decaying must have been much more rapid during the early days of the Created world, especially during the Flood (Genesis 7:24). If the decay rate was millions of times higher (it must have been), the Earth must also be young. Case closed. You might refer to a known problem that the accelerated decay would have cooked Noah alive. We do have the answer: the water canopy around the Firmament (Genesis 1:6) protected him somewhat. You might also try to point out that the water canopy would have caused a greenhouse effect that would have cooked Noah alive.

Problems, problems, problems... or are they?!

NOW it is time to reveal the Truth™. We do NOT live in a hypothetical world without Jesus. We do have irrefutable documentation of His existence and of God's Handiwork in the Bible. If the Bible did not exist, we would have no choice but to believe cosmological and geological time frames and evolution. Fortunately, the Bible is here and it tells us that the observations come second. The Truth™ is not out here, it is in here:



Because Jesus has given us His Word and He cannot lie (Titus 1:2), we know that the 6-day Creation >6000 years ago is the Truth™.

John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

NOW we can re-assess the evidence:

• The evolutionary transitions must be separate Creations. The genomes have homologies because an Intelligent Designer would use similar solutions for similar problems, such as homeothermy in avians and mammals. Some of the evidence is apparently good an in reality it can be discarded as it represents delusions intended to trick sinners.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion , that they should believe a lie:

Another example, the RATE study. The problems of cooking Noah alive disappear immediately upon reading the Bible!

Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.



God can do anything or refrain from doing anything. He can make the radionuclides look as if they had been around for billions of years of accelerate the decay while protecting Noah at the same time. We do not live in a world untouched by the Grace of Jesus. On the contrary, observational evidence is useless unless it conforms to the message of Jesus. This is the starting point of all wisdom and all science.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Ex-soccer player]

Originally Posted by Goldenshark

Though you say an atheist sees no beauty, this could not be more false. I love nature and animals (especially dogs and aquatic life) as well as nature walks etc and visiting the beach.

Oh another atheist who claims to love nature and animals. I agree with that, I also love to be out in the nature and watch animals.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork (Psalm 19:1).

But why should we stop there, God has done so much good, and the Greatest Gift from God is to give us eternal life through His Son, Jesus Christ!

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son (1 John 5:11)

You are like a museum visitor who admires a work of art. Then a guide approaches you and tells you about the great artist who has made this really awesome piece of art, and that the artist who made this has actually done many more and even greater artworks But, instead of demanding to see these other great artworks right away, you start to yell at the guide, claiming that he is a liar, and that the piece of art you are admiring has no creator at all, and start deride the friendly guide to make him go away.


I will pray for you to not only open your eyes for the beauty of nature, but also to open your heart to Jesus Christ God has sent you here for a reason

[BrotherLarry]

Well, hello Goldenshark.
Your name describes a powerful, expensive creature that basically swims and eats. Not worth its weight in gold, for sure - but your soul is. To our LORD, who died for you (John 3:16), you are more important than any precious metal.


I was a cathylick until the LORD JESUS CHRIST redeemed me through repentance and baptism. I know what the church has told you all these years.


Read the church fathers, they tell you. Trust in traditions, they'll say. Sola scriptura is a Lutheran or Calvinist teaching that will lead you to hell, they'll say. Wake up and spit out the host, hon. It's just a wafer.


Get rid of your cathylick bible with its uninspired apocryphal horse pucky about things like purgatory and praying for the dead. Wake up and recognize the power of God's Son. I know it's tough to let go, but I did, and since then, the Holy Spirit has been my teacher and my guide. I can tell my sins to the LORD, not Father Lou who probably was impure with himself as he went over everyone's sins after the sacrament of reconciliation each week. 1 John 1:9 assures me that if I confess my sins, GOD is faithful and will forgive me, and HE will make me clean. Not some self-righteous nosey man in a little booth. Those confessionals would be put to better use if they installed a phone in them.


My prayer closet has a direct line to Heaven, and it rings at the Throne of Grace. Jesus told me to ask. He told me He will answer. He told me to trust and obey. He told me that if I will but cast my cares upon Him, He will be there with me, even unto the end of the age. No pope is inflatable, and there is nothing other than tradition that implies there is any apostolic succession. God wants us to be FREE, not under the rule of Rome. Of course, we have to do everything GOD tells us or He will send us to Hell, but that's what we deserve. We don't deserve the grace He pours out on us each and every day. OH, GLORY, the LORD GOD has done such amazing and wondrous things for me since I put my trust in Him.


I have added you to my digital prayer list and your rotation will come up three or four times a month. I hope you will continue to learn from the esteemed pastors and scientists Landover has at your service. It won't be easy to let go of the papist trash, but GOD is almighty and will erase that desire from you if you but trust in Him.


COME, LORD JESUS!
BrotherLarry

[Goldenshark]

Brotherlarry

Your reply confuses me as you seem to just rant on about your ridiculous faith while telling me not to be a catholic. I'm not a catholic, I'm an atheist. Sharks are also beautiful and superbly evolved creatures that need saving however their teeth, fins and livers are worth more than their weight in gold.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Goldenshark

Brotherlarry

Your reply confuses me as you seem to just rant on about your ridiculous faith while telling me not to be a catholic. I'm not a catholic, I'm an atheist. Sharks are also beautiful and superbly evolved creatures that need saving however their teeth, fins and livers are worth more than their weight in gold.

You're confused because the Gospel is foolishness to those who've hardened their hearts on the altar of "science" and "reason" and "common sense." (1 Corinthians 1:18) These things are all man-made inventions, things the LORD warns us against (1 Timothy 6:20). He also warns us that the unregenerated soul will forever be confused because it is closed off to the Truth™ (Ephesians 2:2). Brother Larry's touching testimony brought a tear to my eye. You have the heart of a Jew, someone who hears the Good News but seeks only to destroy it, and to reduce the bearer of such good news to a puddle of tears (John 8:44). I wish I could see your face on the day you die and are faced with the reality that forever more your "best moments" will be the ones in between the demons shoving random scientific instruments up your tender, fleshy back alley, releasing their steaming hot demon spew into your quivering, dripping colon, and laugh at your dilemma about which burning hand to put down on the lava rocks to hold you up so your face doesn't get submerged in the Lake of Fire as they have you bent over the science teacher who first introduced you to the Damned mythology of Evolution!

[Goldenshark]

The fact that you analyse one word from my responce and put it into biblical context has no relevance to my actual post. Get a grip of yourself