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Old 07-16-2012, 09:39 PM
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Correction?? It is not for husbands to correct (abuse!) their wives, they are there to guide and protect their wives. I agree that the head of a woman is man. But just as Christ loved God we should love our wives. Please see 1 Corinthians 13:4 as an explanation of what love is.

Did Jesus ever beat a woman?? No, he prayed with Women. I love my wife, I would NEVER lay a hand on her like that. She sins of course, as do I, because we are ALL sinners. It is God that will punish us, it is God that will 'correct' us. Therefore it IS GOD who we should turn to when we sin.
Train up your wife as you wish. She is your wife. You are her master as God is yours. That means you can abandon her to the flames of Hell if you wish, as God has done to the unbelievers and queerosexuals. Nobody is forcing you to beat your wife. But at the same time, who are you to tell another man how he should exercise his divine authority over his own wife?
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Train up your wife as you wish. She is your wife. You are her master as God is yours. That means you can abandon her to the flames of Hell if you wish, as God has done to the unbelievers and queerosexuals. Nobody is forcing you to beat your wife. But at the same time, who are you to tell another man how he should exercise his divine authority over his own wife?
Train my wife??? My wife is part of me, and I part of her. We are one body as a married couple, we are both children of God. We both love God and God loves us, we have both accepted Jesus as our saviour and repented our sins. We try to do God's work and therefore we will both enter the kingdom of Heaven. I am explaining how I treat my own wife showing my understanding of the Bible. I of course wish every man to love and respect his wife as the Bible dictates, and so I shall share that, as God also wishes.

Although I am the head of my wife, God is also the head of me and therefore it IS GOD who is the head of us both and so we act to please him. I do not think beating your wife please God. It is not for you to say I am 'condemning my wife to hell'..that is for GOD to decide.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:51 PM
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Train my wife??? My wife is part of me, and I part of her. We are one body as a married couple, we are both children of God. We both love God and God loves us, we have both accepted Jesus as our saviour and repented our sins. We try to do God's work and therefore we will both enter the kingdom of Heaven. I am explaining how I treat my own wife showing my understanding of the Bible. I of course wish every man to love and respect his wife as the Bible dictates, and so I shall share that, as God also wishes.

Although I am the head of my wife, God is also the head of me and therefore it IS GOD who is the head of us both and so we act to please him. I do not think beating your wife please God. It is not for you to say I am 'condemning my wife to hell'..that is for GOD to decide.
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23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
It is for God to decide whether the church will enter Heaven. Therefore it is for you to decide whether your wife will enter Heaven. It is axiomatic.
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Train my wife??? My wife is part of me, and I part of her. We are one body as a married couple, we are both children of God. We both love God and God loves us, we have both accepted Jesus as our saviour and repented our sins. We try to do God's work and therefore we will both enter the kingdom of Heaven. I am explaining how I treat my own wife showing my understanding of the Bible. I of course wish every man to love and respect his wife as the Bible dictates, and so I shall share that, as God also wishes.

Although I am the head of my wife, God is also the head of me and therefore it IS GOD who is the head of us both and so we act to please him. I do not think beating your wife please God. It is not for you to say I am 'condemning my wife to hell'..that is for GOD to decide.
You don't think that you and your wife will be together in heaven do you??

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.


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So Ephesians 5:23 means nothing to you?



It is for God to decide whether the church will enter Heaven. Therefore it is for you to decide whether your wife will enter Heaven. It is axiomatic.
Ephesians 5:23 means that I will love and respect my wife as Christ loved and respected God. Christ would not beat God. I disagree that it is my choice whether my wife will enter Heaven, I believe it is ONLY GOD who will make that decision. It is God that knows the heart of my wife and so it is HE that will decide. I will however guide my wife as according to Bible scripture, this guidance will not involve 'correcting/beating/abusing' my wife or however you would like to call it. This guidance will come in the form of discussing the Bible together and praying to God together.
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You don't think that you and your wife will be together in heaven do you??

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.


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I believe my wife and I will both enter Heaven because we are followers of God, not because we are married. I'm sorry i did not make that clear in my previous post.
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I believe my wife and I will both enter Heaven because we are followers of God, not because we are married. I'm sorry i did not make that clear in my previous post.
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I believe my wife and I will both enter Heaven because we are followers of God, not because we are married. I'm sorry i did not make that clear in my previous post.
No, I was saying that you will not be together as man and wife in heaven,

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No, I was saying that you will not be together as man and wife in heaven,

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Please see 1 Corinthians 13:4 as an explanation of what love is.
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Tell me about it.

I am sorry to see you have interpaterd the Bible as so. I pray God shows you what true love is.
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I am sorry to see you have interpaterd the Bible as so. I pray God shows you what true love is.
I'm sorry, what is wrong with my interpretation of the Bible?
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I'm sorry, what is wrong with my interpretation of the Bible?
I believe it is not true. I pray that God will be able to show you how, I would try to explain but I would be using the scripture which I feel has been twisted in the video you agree with. It would therefore be fruitless for me to try explain I therfore pray God will intervene. I myself have struggled with how God has let the world suffer, it is to do with our sin. It is true we are not to boast, but i do not feel the Bible does this by mentioning power, it speaks the truth and speaks of how to be humble yet that does not mean to deny Gods power. God bless.
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I would try to explain but I would be using the scripture which I feel has been twisted in the video you agree with.
Humour me. What scripture was twisted?

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The problem of evil, well aware of it. It wasn't mentioned in that video. Didn't talk about God "allowing" anything. It talked about God intentionally bringing things about.

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Again, I brought no complaint about denying the power of the invisible creature you claim exists. The video mentioned how he decides to "lord" this power of his over his creation.
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Humour me. What scripture was twisted?



The problem of evil, well aware of it. It wasn't mentioned in that video. Didn't talk about God "allowing" anything. It talked about God intentionally bringing things about.



Again, I brought no complaint about denying the power of the invisible creature you claim exists. The video mentioned how he decides to "lord" this power of his over his creation.
I feel it was all twisted. God brought these things about as a consequence of our choice to sin. The devil exists and encourages evil and suffering. I do not believe God tries to 'lord' his power over us, the examples used are twisted I believe. But I will pray for you.
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I feel it was all twisted. God brought these things about as a consequence of our choice to sin.
You haven't really explained how anything was twisted. They just quoted the Bible. Nobody said whether what happened was a result of consequences, they just asked how loving it was. I assume you agree then that the verses shown in the video demonstrate God is loving?

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Why does the devil exist?

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Really? He even refers to himself as the Lord and demands you do likewise.
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You haven't really explained how anything was twisted. They just quoted the Bible. Nobody said whether what happened was a result of consequences, they just asked how loving it was. I assume you agree then that the verses shown in the video demonstrate God is loving?



Why does the devil exist?



Really? He even refers to himself as the Lord and demands you do likewise.
No I do not agree with the video, as Ive said i think its been twisted.

Please look to the Bible for information on why the devil exists. He has chosen the name Lord. BUT Before he did the name did not exist, and therefore he did not choose it for the way we can interperat it as someone 'lording something over us..'.. Im not sure I've explained that part clearly..but I hope you understand where Im coming from.
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Please look to the Bible for information on why the devil exists.
I see NO reference in the Bible anywhere that says anything about why the devil exists. Can you help me out? Any particular verse I should look for?

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Not particularly, but I appreciate you trying to answer my questions and being polite about it. You are definitely more polite than the baptists here.
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I see NO reference in the Bible anywhere that says anything about why the devil exists. Can you help me out? Any particular verse I should look for?



Not particularly, but I appreciate you trying to answer my questions and being polite about it. You are definitely more polite than the baptists here.
Maybe reading this would help you understand the existance of Satan.
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/who_is_satan.html

To explain how I dont think calling himself Lord was boastful I will use an example.

Lets say I made up a new name e.g 'herontay' (literally just made that up there now)..and I decided to name my daughter 'herontay'. herontay is very beautiful and became known for her beauty. This caused people to describe beautiful things as being 'herontay'...and lets say 1000 years late people still use the name 'herontay' to describe something beautiful. People may then look back a 1000 years and think 'how could she be named 'herontay'..that is being boastful about her beauty..' BUT orginally the name was created for her..before anything else was associated with it. The Lord is Almightly..and so we can describe things as 'being Lorded over...' but God created the name Lord from scratch..so he was not being boastful when using the name. I hope that now makes more sense to you.

Also I do not think God demands we call him Lord...What matter is that we Love and try to follow him.

I myself find most of the 'bapists' on this site as not being truely Christian where true love is in place.
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