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Old 12-17-2007, 12:43 AM
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No i didn't and i apologize.
But in any case, on the tangent of those threads.
I am against people like you, because you hate and you destroy and you kill and you cause pain. All for a book. That you have no proof whatsoever is even true. It sais its true. but beyond that, you can't prove it.
What about all the evidence for Creationism?
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And I personally am against people who hate. I dont hate you, i dont hate any person. But i find it so wrong to control and manipulate the thoughts of other people, and to teach hate for other people who are different then you.
Why do you believe in such a terrible thing? Why kill? Why hate?
So on that tangent, im here because i think the way you act on your beliefs is wrong, your beliefs have the right to exist, but they do not have the right to harm people.
I see the problem here. You need to follow God's Word, not your "conscience".
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But the difference is, i don't believe in the bible. I never truly have, ever since ive been able to read it, i haven't liked it and i haven't believed in it. So i trust my conscience. Because so far it works for me and i'm significantly happier from when i considered myself "Christian."
But i do see your argument. It is very good, and i admit i dont have a rebuttal to it. So we are at an impasse.
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But the difference is, i don't believe in the bible. I never truly have, ever since ive been able to read it, i haven't liked it and i haven't believed in it. So i trust my conscience. Because so far it works for me and i'm significantly happier from when i considered myself "Christian."
You're thinking in the short term. You'll be significantly less happy when you're in the Lake of Fire. Besides, which is more important - being happy, or doing the right thing? With Jesus, you can do both.
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Well i am happy. And i am doing the right thing. I help people, i am kind, i am loving and i care for the health of the planet and all living beings on it.
What is so wrong with that? According to the bible thats what your suppose to be.
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What is so wrong with that? According to the bible thats what your suppose to be.
Care to cite some scripture in support of that? Nowhere does the Bible tell us to care for the health of all living beings. Are you a vegan or something? Those extremists are as bad as the Reds.
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Im vegetarian unless the circumstances merit that i eat meat. I have nothing against people who do, i just dont find it necessary to kill something to have dinner when i can go about eating in a less bloody manner.
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What do you mean "unless the circumstances merit that you eat meat"? Unless you feel hungry? Unless you wander into McDonald's? Stop pretending to be a radical vegetarian extremist and get right with the Lord.
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By that i mean i have no other choice then meat. And McDonald's is utterly disgusting. I can't stand any of the food they serve there. And where in the bible dose it say eating meat is the way to be right with god?
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No i didn't and i apologize.
I'm glad to see that you aren't as unreasonable as I first thought. You've got to understand, though, it's maddening for us to get this constant litany of "are you for real" posts simply because we believe that God's Word to us, as conveyed in the Bible and through the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, is real. Would that I had the patience of Christ!

It seems like we get singled out for disrespect in a way that persons of other faiths don't. I've read some Muslim web forums, and nobody seems to ask them, "Do you really think 72 virgins are waiting for you in Paradise?" Ditto with Buddhist boards, where nobody inquires, "If there's no God, then how exactly do we all get reincarnated?" Yet we, who take the time to explain our beliefs and back them up with chapter and verse in the Bible, have our sanity and honesty questioned constantly.

I suppose we simply need to accept that there's a lot of prejudice against Bible-believing Christians and leave it in God's hands. But that doesn't mean we have to like it.

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I am against people like you, because you hate and you destroy and you kill and you cause pain. All for a book.
We don't hate anyone. We are simply against people who chose Satan or their own egos over God, and who further try to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

We see this in teachers indoctrinating our children by presenting ridiculous hypotheses such as evilution as facts. Ask yourself this--if the scientists really believe that the geological evidence favors evilution over intelligent design, then why are they so afraid of having children learn about ID as one competing theory and letting the evidence fall where it may? All we're asking for is a fair hearing.

Another manifestation of secular humanists imposing their beliefs on everyone else is judges who make up "rights to privacy" in the US Constitution that the Founding Fathers never put there (trust me, I've read it many times for my Constitutional and Biblical Law class, and the word "privacy" does not appear in the Constitution, or, for that matter, in the Bible). Liberals take this to amazing heights of stupidity. As far as I'm concerned, your phony "privacy rights" pretty much come to a dead stop when they're going to let some crazed Middle Easterner holding a sharpened plastic spoon fly a jet into the Sunday School classes in the Landover Baptist Church Prayer Tower.

As for why we do it, it's not for a book. A book is just printed pieces of paper in a fancy leather cover. The Word of God, however, is so much more than words printed on a page. See John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. We believe what we believe for the sake of the Word of God that is Christ Jesus, who suffered and died on the cross for the remission of our sins, and for our immortal souls.

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Whom have we harmed? Please give me their names, and I will mention them in my prayers. Lots of peope say we're hurtful, yet none of them has ever been able to give us a single name. I'm hoping that maybe there's more substance to your argument than that.
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In the beginning of 1st Timothy, chapter 4. Meat is to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

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Ahimaaz. I find you have a very good argument. But i have no names because i do not know them. but all the people, every gay, every person who was convicted of witch craft for no reason other then being a woman. Every person who was killed in the crusades, every black slave, every native culture of the americas. All of them were killed because the bible said that they were lower then then invading white people, or were convicted of being evil, when in probably 99.9% of the cases the people had caused no real harm to anyone. Those are the people who have been harmed in the name of your god.
And you are against them yes, and today the law prevents you from going further then hating them, but in the past. They were killed.
And the "are you real" posts come from the face that you are one of a few groups of people there who are this extreme. And the Buddhists dont preach to people about how if their religion isnt followed to the letter, they will burn in hell. And most muslums dont preach that. Ive met and become friends with several, and beyond simple questions and discussion, i have never been preached to by them about how their religion is right.
That in my opinion is the cause of these.
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i just dont find it necessary to kill something to have dinner....
So that excludes plants and animals. What are you eating, anyway, rocks?

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That wasn't Brother Temperance's point. Meat is a blessing from the Lord (provided, of course, that you say a Grace before the meal), but it is not a sin to abstain from eating meat. Imposing your pseudo-vegan lifestyle on others, however, is a sin:

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Romans 14:1-3

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith.... commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:1-5
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Well most plants that we eat are nothing but parts of plants that are no longer living. Yet happen to be good to eat. And also a plant has no brain or soul to it. Its merely a group of cells clustered together working in tandem to make something that lives. But the plant cannot tell if it is alive or dead.
An animal can. and i dont feel it right to kill, to end the existence of that animal to have dinner. I mean, i dont wanna be eaten for dinner. And the animal dosn't either. So i prefer to keep it alive and i'll keep eating the plants.
Unless again i find that eating meat is necessary to keeping me alive.
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Well most plants that we eat are nothing but parts of plants that are no longer living. Yet happen to be good to eat. And also a plant has no brain or soul to it. Its merely a group of cells clustered together working in tandem to make something that lives. But the plant cannot tell if it is alive or dead.
An animal can. and i dont feel it right to kill, to end the existence of that animal to have dinner. I mean, i dont wanna be eaten for dinner. And the animal dosn't either. So i prefer to keep it alive and i'll keep eating the plants.
Unless again i find that eating meat is necessary to keeping me alive.
How do you know that animals have souls and plants don't? Is your research peer reviewed?

Do all animals have souls, or only vertebrates?

Do bees have souls? What about starfish? Flatworms? Sponges? Do oysters have souls? Amoebas? Sea Squirts?

Do you believe that a great sequoia is less deserving of life than a paramecium, simply because it is a plant rather than an animal?
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Okay i put that in a bad way.
I'm saying that pretty much every plant that we eat has gone through its life cycle and has died of natural causes and we eat it.
Compared to most meat that is slaughtered long before old age only for our consumption. And i dont feel its right to take thats animals life while its still living to eat it. but if it has already died old age or some other non human cause. then it is okay to eat and it keeps the natural cycles going. But we dont normally kill plants to eat them, they are already dead.
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i have no names because i do not know them.
Wow, what a shock. It's a lot easier to attack someone's beliefs in the abstract than it is to show a single concrete example. I'd hoped for more from you, but, frankly, didn't really expect it.

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but all the people, every gay, every person who was convicted of witch craft for no reason other then being a woman. Every person who was killed in the crusades, every black slave, every native culture of the americas.
All the people? You can't name a single individual, so you just go to the opposite extreme and say everyone? Well, you've got me convinced. NOT.

It is wrong to put someone to death only because he is gay--he has to actually have sex with another man before we advocate putting him to death under Leviticus 20:13 (and most of us don't think that applies to lesbians, though, of course, they are sinners, too).

The Bible is very clear that only real witches are to be killed under Exodus 22:18. Anyway, it's very rare that we Landoverites actually put a witch to death these days, given all of the ungodly laws on the books that unfairly interfere with our practice of our religion.

Please address your remarks on the crusades to Father Thomas or other Catholics. I'm not saying they didn't have a good idea or two, but there weren't any Baptists involved to the best of my knowledge, and certainly nobody from Landover, so it's hardly fair to blame us for their excesses.

The Bible has several rules to guarantee that slaves are treated well, whether black or otherwise--we believe in those rules, too. You might want to check your facts before leveling that sort of accusation at us.

Do you really mean every native culture of the Americas? Even, say, the Carib Indians, whose main source of protein was the bodies of the Arawak Indians, whom they penned up like cattle for slaughter? It sounds like your main source of knowledge on Indians is the movie Pocohantas. Trust me on this, there were no talking raccoons around back then and the native "Americans" were plenty willing to kill each other and collect the scalps to prove it.

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Buddhists dont preach to people about how if their religion isnt followed to the letter, they will burn in hell.
True. But they do preach that the downtrodden should not try to lift themselves up and overthrow oppressive governments, because their low status results from bad acts in their previous lives for which they must atone. The Dalai Lama used this argument to maintain himself as the head of a brutal slave state before the equally evil Communists kicked him out and imposed their own brutal slave state. There are a few Tibetans in Landover (our ministry ranges worldwide) who remember the old regime, and I'm not afraid to give you names to back up my claims: Lhakpa Gyaltsen, Tsering Tshoko, and Kelsang Tashi in Dhasa have all written about this in the Landover Republican.

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Oh, sure, Islam is a real "hugs and flowers and puppies" religion. Look, we have inserted operatives into mosques across the country, and I can assure you that what your friends will say to your face and what they say about you behind your back are two very different things.

Muslims know that the Koran has too many contradicitions for anyone who's actually read it to believe, so they use swords, not words, to convert those infidels whom they don't just kill outright. You should ask your Muslim friends to name the US Imams who have publicly condemned suicide bombings in Israel. I'll give you good odds that they, like most people who don't actually have evidence to back up their claims, can't give you a single name.

Or maybe you should go straight to the source and read the Koran. It's a definite page turner, if you're into the genre of absurdist, internally inconsistent, reign-of-terror fantasy.

Anyway, it sounds to me like what you're really saying is that you don't reject Landover Baptist Church and it's adherents, you reject the whole Bible. Is that a fair statement of what you believe? If so, then I guess we'll need to agree to disagree.
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I'm saying that pretty much every plant that we eat has gone through its life cycle and has died of natural causes and we eat it. ... But we dont normally kill plants to eat them, they are already dead.
Have you ever visited a big farm during harvest time? They cut those happy healthy plants down with big huge bladed machines, in the prime of their poor little lives. Their stalks are crushed, their sap runs everywhere like blood being spilled. It is truly a slaughter. Are you sure you wouldn't rather give up food altogether and become a Breatharian?



You hippies crack me up. I just finished eating a rare steak. It was delicious.

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Compared to most meat that is slaughtered long before old age only for our consumption.
LOL, you think farm animals have such good lives that it's a blessing to them to keep them around for several extra years? Or are you suggesting that we release our cattle into the forests, which we'll then scour several years later for dead animals to eat? BTW, most wild animals tend to die pretty quickly from disease or predation or starvation when we don't cull their populations.

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Well, that's exactly what you get at McDonalds, so what's your beef with them?

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Have you ever seen a wheat thresher in action? They're all over the place here in Iowa. It's not a pleasant sight if you think that cutting down a living wheat stalk is tantamount to murder. I asked Professor Granger, who's with the Landover Christian University Agricultural Extension program, and he told me that each loaf of bread requires the deaths of around 2,500 plants.

I thought you were serious about your criticisms, but now I see you're just a comedian playing us for laughs. Well, we have senses of humor, too. Ha ha.
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My apologies to Pastor Billy-Reuben. I see he beat me to the punch on the whole agriclutural murder thing by several milliseconds. I didn't mean to steal your thunder, Pastor.
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Here's a speech made by one of those evilutionists who had the nerve to protest the opening of the Creationist Museum, an important educational institution.

Just listen to his wishy-washy mumbo-science blather, and say nothing to validate his worthless position.

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