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Old 11-05-2013, 10:12 PM
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And as far as your quote goes: I happen to have a bar of pure gold. It's transparent like glass. 1 kg, current gold price is at roughly 40,000 $. Wanna buy it? Only 20,000 bucks. Special offer for you. I would send it to you via international mail, but be careful, this extra pure gold tends to shatter....
Sweetie, you really did not read this quote, did you. Maybe you should look it up in your native dialect (assuming the Holy Bible was even translated into it).

Here is this verse in KJV again:

Revelation 21:21: And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

I put in bold the second part because only this part is relevant to your babbling. What does it says there? 1) A certain street in a certain city was "pure gold." So far so good, right?

Now, let's stop here for a second and let's think of some adjectives we could think of when describing gold. It's heavy. It's yellow. It's shiny. Hmm, what else can we describe as shiny? Glass, for example. And this is how a metaphor is born: let's compare shiny gold to shiny glass. How do I know this is a metaphor? Because it says:

and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

That "as it" part means "similarly to."

If you don't know what a "metaphor" is, look it up on Google.

If you don't believe me that gold is shiny (like glass), here is a nice image for ya:



You can actually see the reflection of the door or something in that gold. I don't know about you, but for me this is shiny "as it were transparent glass."

PS: I apologize for such a huge image, but I really want that gold to shine on your computer screen.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:20 PM
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Not an illusion; a liberal conspiracy designed to make people feel good about giving away their own hard-earned money to attention whores who want a hand out. It's cheaper than a communist civil war to dupe people into thinking it's in their best interests to give their money to the government. They do this because they know the government will then turn around and give them the mother load if they whine hard enough. From where do you think the hospitals get the kind of money to pay for these so-called magnetic, cancer detecting machines?
Hmm, I though you had private health care, and only since the invention of Obamacare did the government interfere (with the exception of medicare, or whatever your pensioners health care stuff was called). Obamacare was introduced in 2010.

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In 1980 Paul Bottomley joined the GE Research Center in Schenectady, NY, and his team ordered the highest field-strength magnet then available — a 1.5T system — and built the first high-field and overcame problems of coil design, RF penetration and signal-to-noise ratio to build the first whole-body MRI/MRS scanner.
It became a diagnostic tool in medicine in the 1980s. Ok, according to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_...#United_States

So how do you explain that? Actually, at least one third of your hospitals are privately owned according to wikipedia, so I don't really get how that is necessarily a cospiracy made up to trick people into overfunding their government.
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Actually, at least one third of your hospitals are privately owned according to wikipedia, so I don't really get how that is necessarily a cospiracy made up to trick people into overfunding their government.
Hello Krunsch.

It is true there are many private churches here but most of them are Catholic churches and I do not like to go to them because you see nuns and priests making the rounds with the doctors and they are very scary nuns refuse to have children for Jesus and priests rape little children.

Also many of the people on the Supreme Court are Catholics just a few months ago they had a case The United States vs. Windsor and they said that lesbians could get married and did not have to pay taxes when they died and they have not read Leviticus or Romans or maybe they did not use Post-It Notes to remind them of Leviticus and Romans I could send them some I have a bunch.

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Besides, as anyone who has read the Bible knows, pure gold doesn't have a golden color at all--it is transparent:

And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. Revelation 21:21
@Basilissa Thanks for pointing out the painly obious to WWJDnow, even though I cannot cash in on christian ignorance now. I guess that will be left to teleevangelists.

By the way, the picture is really nice. Gold is almost always a peasant sight.
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@Basilissa Thanks for pointing out the painly obious to WWJDnow, even though I cannot cash in on christian ignorance now. I guess that will be left to teleevangelists.
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Peasant? You mean it, like, bucolic? I dunno, I always associated it with mansions and not cow poop.
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Misquoting? Just look on the previous page. This dumbness is right there. Must be a pain to see what your fellow dimwitts post.
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...your fellow dimwitts...
But the Bible says you're the idiot:

Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: And the knowledge of the holy is understanding."

So there. Nyaah nyaah.
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Another argument that can be made for a flat Earth is to observe that our weight does not decrease rapidly as we move up, such as in an airplane or on a mountain.

Now, a physicist is going to tell you that Newton's universal law of gravity states that the gravitational force between two objects varies inversely as the square of the distance between them, obeying the so-called inverse square law of radiation.

Anyone who knows a bit about differential calculus can attest to the fact that such a relation decreases very rapidly, in fact this rate of change is an inverse cubic relationship via the power rule for differentiation.

Hence, if the Earth were round, our weight would decrease very rapidly as we gain altitude. But, if you take your trusty bathroom scale with you on an airplane you will find your weight is the same as it was on the ground, and therefore we conclude that the force of gravity is constant.

Using a bit of integral calculus, it is easy to show that the only geometry that gives rise to a constant gravitational field is a flat one. It's very elementary.

Therefore, we are led to conclude that the Earth is flat.

Now, don't get me wrong Brothers and Sisters in Christ, we clearly don't need this at all because the Bible plainly tells us the Earth is flat. I post this only for those who choose not to take Our Lord at His Word, but who will gladly blindly follow science. And so I use a bit of science to confirm what God has already told us in order to win these abominable heathens over to The Lord.
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Another argument that can be made for a flat Earth is to observe that our weight does not decrease rapidly as we move up, such as in an airplane or on a mountain.

Now, a physicist is going to tell you that Newton's universal law of gravity states that the gravitational force between two objects varies inversely as the square of the distance between them, obeying the so-called inverse square law of radiation.

Anyone who knows a bit about differential calculus can attest to the fact that such a relation decreases very rapidly, in fact this rate of change is an inverse cubic relationship via the power rule for differentiation.

Hence, if the Earth were round, our weight would decrease very rapidly as we gain altitude. But, if you take your trusty bathroom scale with you on an airplane you will find your weight is the same as it was on the ground, and therefore we conclude that the force of gravity is constant.

Using a bit of integral calculus, it is easy to show that the only geometry that gives rise to a constant gravitational field is a flat one. It's very elementary.

Therefore, we are led to conclude that the Earth is flat.
Ooohhh... Ooooohhh...
Could I please ask that you post your integral calculus analysis of this? You keep mentioning calculus but strangely don't actually show any.

I could use a chuckle, and I can use it as an example by pointing out the errors to my clients/students.
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Ooohhh... Ooooohhh...
Could I please ask that you post your integral calculus analysis of this? You keep mentioning calculus but strangely don't actually show any.

I could use a chuckle, and I can use it as an example by pointing out the errors to my clients/students.
Show me where you are stuck in this very basic calculus problem.
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Show me where you are stuck in this very basic calculus problem.
You haven't even presented your integral calculus analysis. You might want to start by doing that first.
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You haven't even presented your integral calculus analysis. You might want to start by doing that first.
A mathematician says "It can be shown" or "it is obvious" for things that the reader should be able to easily show himself.

I am asking where you are stuck in doing this for yourself. Show me your attempt so I can see where you are at mathematically.
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A mathematician says "It can be shown" or "it is obvious" for things that the reader should be able to easily show himself.

I am asking where you are stuck in doing this for yourself. Show me your attempt so I can see where you are at mathematically.
If you want to go down that route, then I shall say I'm completely stuck. Please show me, and the 99% of scientists, how calculus proves the Earth is flat. We could have finished this argument if you just gave the mathematical proof, but you haven't. I wonder why?
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If you want to go down that route, then I shall say I'm completely stuck. Please show me, and the 99% of scientists, how calculus proves the Earth is flat. We could have finished this argument if you just gave the mathematical proof, but you haven't. I wonder why?
If you can't even begin, then you know nothing of the calculus, and my demonstration would be wasted on you. However, here is a site that gives the rather elementary proof:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath530/kmath530.htm

Now, you may object, saying this result holds true for an infinite sheet only, and this is correct. However, in order for people to have the illusion of "circumnavigating the globe", God must have in place "wrap-around zones" at the world's edges, such that when you cross these zones your location instantaneously and seamlessly becomes that at the opposite edge. In effect, a location can be described by the Heaviside step-function. Now, gravity can be felt across these boundaries, so the effect is that of an infinitely large sheet.

Now, this isn't necessarily the way things work, but this model is in agreement with observation, but more importantly, with Holy Scripture. It preserves the flatness of the Earth as given in The Bible, explains the constant force of gravity, and allows for circumnavigation.
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If you can't even begin, then you know nothing of the calculus, and my demonstration would be wasted on you. However, here is a site that gives the rather elementary proof:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath530/kmath530.htm

Now, you may object, saying this result holds true for an infinite sheet only, and this is correct. However, in order for people to have the illusion of "circumnavigating the globe", God must have in place "wrap-around zones" at the world's edges, such that when you cross these zones your location instantaneously and seamlessly becomes that at the opposite edge. In effect, a location can be described by the Heaviside step-function. Now, gravity can be felt across these boundaries, so the effect is that of an infinitely large sheet.

Now, this isn't necessarily the way things work, but this model is in agreement with observation, but more importantly, with Holy Scripture. It preserves the flatness of the Earth as given in The Bible, explains the constant force of gravity, and allows for circumnavigation.
Nothing to do with the earth -- it's about the gravitational effect of an infinite flat plane. In other words, a thought theory that can't be demonstrated in reality. Interesting in its way, but the thing is, our 4-dimensional universe is NOT an infinite flat plane. I think if you're going to invoke magic in your calculations, as assuming an infinite plane with "wrap around zones" surely is, you're doing something fundamentally wrong.

"3 + magic = whatever confirms my preconceived notions".

It's not a great way to do science. You say you have a PhD - I'm scared to ask what in. It's not in agreement with ANY observation. This debate was forever closed when we managed to circumnavigate, mathematically calculate and when we actually went into space and SAW THE EARTH.

Guess what? It wasn't flat.

Pretty much everybody stopped believing the Flat Earth Hypothesis since ancient Greece when they figured out the true shape and size and even managed to calculate the planets radius.

Talking about the page you have given, first of all, using Euclidean geometry to measure distances on the surface of Earth fails miserably. To measure distances on the Earth, you require a non-Euclidean spherical metric, because the Earth is a sphere (well, spheroid; it's slightly flatter towards the poles due to the Earth's rotation about its axis). So, even if we had no pictures of the earth from space, we'd still be able to say that the Earth was not flat because of it's non-Euclidean surface.

What you have seen on the web page is an example of applying the Schwarzchild metric to a 'sphere' of infinite radius. A few point to clarify:

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The Schwarzchild metric determines the event horizon of a non-rotating sphere of radius R in the special case R = GM/c^2
Here M is the mass of the sphere
c is the the speed of light
G is a gravitational constant
In other words, it measures the radius of a hypothetical non-rotating black hole. Black holes rotate and so a different metric is used. As R tends to infinity, the curvature tends to zero - ie flat. This is what this web page was referring to. It says nothing about the Earth being flat. Nor about the Earth having an infinite radius. Its radius is about 638, 000 km.

So, sorry mate. The Bible does not express the physics of the world correctly.
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I guess I should have taken you by the hand and highlighted the portion of the page pertaining to the infinite flat sheet.

So, you think the author of The Holy Bible, the Creator of the universe itself some 6,000 years ago, does not accurately describe the universe He designed?

So, you would rather put your faith in a handful of men than in God Almighty?

To you sir, I say, checkmate. Enjoy your eternity in hell.
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So, even if we had no pictures of the earth from space, we'd still be able to say that the Earth was not flat because of it's non-Euclidean surface.
You actually believe the atheist liberal psuedo-scientists who claim that we've gone into space? We know that it's impossible to go into "space" because, in order to do so, one would have to breach the firmament of Earth and go "through" Heaven.

Does this really sound likely to you? Or does it sound far more likely that some guys got together with a camera and faked the whole thing? The higher-ups at NASA were worried about their lack of progress, especially given the billions of taxpayer dollars diverted from worthier causes like blowing up heathens in faraway countries, so they did something about it. They were just as intellectually dishonest as you, friend.

So I leave you with this to prove my point about the astronomical geography of Earth:

Genesis 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
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