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Old 02-03-2011, 11:59 PM
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YOu can quote the Bible all you wish to, when you manipulate the Word of God to suit your desires as most "christians" do, you will be judged by it by God its not my place to do so.

Almost every single Word from God written in the Bible can be manipulated to suit almost any view and seem Godly, when in fact if you have not been brainwashed into believing it by being drilled it over and over and it becomes the normal, you can see the difference.
How am I manipulating the word of God? God is pretty clear on his intentions here. The only way I would be manipulating the word of God is if I used a different translation. However, you will notice that I only quote the King James version. See my avatar? That is the only thing I will read.

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I made that ignorant pun about "suffer the little children, come unto me" as an attempt to show what I meant.
What am I even supposed to say here?

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When I tread the Bible,
Why would you TREAD on the bible?

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I take it as truth, however I do not use the Word of God to justify my personal opinions,
Well, I guess it's easier for me because God agrees with me.

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which is why I am not quoting the Bible,
You are not quoting the Bible because you can't read.

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I could do so, to counter every single word that is written here, the Bible is a huge book
No, you could not do so, because the Bible is on my side. If you did, YOU would be manipulating the word of GOD

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God = Love anything else, is not God.
Have you even read my other posts? Oh wait, you can't read. I forgot.

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God shows how he deals with the devil through stories of his wrath, he did not do that so that people can have the ok to do it as well, he did it as a warning to those who fail to accept him and continue to sin.
Exactly. This means you should probably stop sinning and worshipping the devil.

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WE are to feed and love our enemies,
WHAT?? This is the exact OPPOSITE of what the Bible says.

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and failure to do so is as if you are doing that to God himself, I do not see that here, yet your claiming to be a christian and above others.
I am a Christian. To call me anything else is to insult the most important thing in my life.

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and since you already know, I love to debate.
You also love gay sex and Satan. Why are you telling me this?

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Please do not take any offense to my posts,
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it is only my opinion and its hard for me to say in words exactly how I feel.
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I just know I Love the Lord and hate the devil and am far from perfect and will never be able to walk in Jesus's shoes as lots here think they are doing.
Jesus saves and loves all.
I have told you time and time again that this is false. If Jesus loved all, we wouldn't have disease or death. It's obvious when God hates people, because he curses them.

I am so done with you. You still fail to read anything I am actually saying. You asked for Bible quotes and then criticized me for quoting the bible. Go away.
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:48 AM
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I just know I Love the Lord and hate the devil and am far from perfect and will never be able to walk in Jesus's shoes as lots here think they are doing.
Jesus saves and loves all.

I have told you time and time again that this is false. If Jesus loved all, we wouldn't have disease or death. It's obvious when God hates people, because he curses them.

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Your wrong my friend, Jesus has zero control over disease or death, Adam and Eve made that choice for us.

Can you please stop flaming me with ignorance, I do not call you names.
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YOu can quote the Bible all you wish to...
I guess that as a non-Christian, you don't understand the significance of the Bible to Christians... that's ignorance on your part, friend.

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Almost every single Word from God written in the Bible can be manipulated to suit almost any view and seem Godly...
Only when they're "interpreted". That's why we don't interpret but take it literally. Then it becomes clear, simple and logical.

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God = Love anything else, is not God.
That's not what the Bible says, friend.

The "god" you follow is loosely based on Christianity. You will still go to Hell
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Default Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

I believe our little GypsyR0ad here is proof of what happens when you don't beat your child.

Back when I was growing up, everyone got beaten. You showed up at school with a black eye and people just wanted to know what you did to make your father that angry. I remember one boy trying to ask the teacher if he could stand in class because his father had whipped him so badly it hurt to sit down, the teacher told him to sit and that he deserved whatever pain was caused.

Then again when I went to school, we said the Lords Prayer and pledged allegiance to the flag every morning. We said "sir" or "ma'am" to any adult that we didn't know, the neighbors were Mr. Smith and Mrs. Jones, and your parents closest friends were referred to as Uncle Bob (if they so desired, otherwise it was Mr. or Mrs.). I was even beaten by the neighbors for doing bad things, ran away from them and by the time I got home my parents had already received the phone call and were ready to finish the whupping.

The funny thing is, is that I probably had a happier childhood than the brats I see today. They're always so miserable, everything "sucks", they troll Christian boards, or hang out at malls. They damage property because they're bored. It's a sad state of affairs for children these days.
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I do not call you names.
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, you are sadly mistaken.

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yet your claiming to be a christian
Right... And I'M the one attacking you. After all, YOU came into OUR forum, onto MY thread and insulted everything I believe in. Obviously it is my fault
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I personally thank you for taking the time to reply to my posts, however I do not understand the harsh words directed at me, which results in my conclusion that you must have been had quite a few flame threads here and are sick of them.

I wont even bother to further debate with you.
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I personally thank you for taking the time to reply to my posts, however I do not understand the harsh words directed at me, which results in my conclusion that you must have been had quite a few flame threads here and are sick of them.

I wont even bother to further debate with you.
Believe it or not, I'm pretty new here. This was the first thread I have ever made (besides my introduction thread). I only get flame from outsiders like you, and to be honest, every long time member is against you. I like this website because almost everyone shares my views. You aren't welcome here. I don't know where you got the impression that you were.
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lol
ok then.

I suppose you just know everything there is to know about life then and I am wrong because you say so and so do your new friends.

this forum is of only a small percent of the places that REAL Christians and Gods people come to visit and share the Word.

You have your judgment day just like I will.
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SHOUT GLORY Brother LFC.

NOT beating them is child abuse!

btw, have you joined our parenting group yet? You would be a wonderful addition to our GODLY Group.


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hopefully Jesus will hear the crys from the abused children you wish to beat on.
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hopefully Jesus will hear the crys from the abused children you wish to beat on.
The Bible commands that children be beaten. What's wrong with you, anyway? Are you a fag or something?
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I do not WISH to beat on children. I DO beat children. And Jesus hears it. And he pats me on the back and smiles down on me whenever I strike any of my sons. Sometimes He helps.
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Default Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

There is a huge difference between correcting and beating your children.

I should hope you know the difference?
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Still haven't figured out the difference between abuse and correction have you.

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There is a huge difference between correcting and beating your children.

I should hope you know the difference?
I really want to hear this, because the Bible says differently.

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It's on my side!

Proverbs 13:24
- He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes

Proverbs 23:13
- Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Proverbs 29:15
- The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Sirach 30:1
- He that loveth his son causeth him oft to feel the rod, that
he may have joy of him in the end.

The Bible has a very clear guide to parenting. A father can benefit from the word of the Lord on this subject especially
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You're right. You are abusing your children if you don't hit them. Don't think of it as "striking them" think of it as "shaping them into good Christians"... My father beat me mercilessly, and I turned out just fine.
I feel like I had this conversation before... Try reading the entire thread before you post next time champ.
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Default Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?
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Default Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

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Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?
Nobody said that beating was the only answer, but it is one of the tools recommended by God to raise decent Christian children.

I'm guessing that your father never laid a good Christian beating on you, right? That's why you turned out the way you did. You probably have a queer pastor in your church, right?
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Default Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

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Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?
There might be other answers. But beatings with a rod must be the best method since it is the one that God recommends. Do you think you know more about how to raise a child than God does?
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Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?
My kids talk when I command them to. Children are better seen than heard. This teaches them respect.
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Default Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

I read the points in the original post, and was a little concerned about this one:
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-The Dragon Kick: If you're interested in a permanent solution to your child giving you lip about washing the dishes, cleaning his or her room or filing your tax return, then the Dragon kick might be the technique for you. I guarantee that you will only have to ask once after the Dragon kick has been administered.
especially in the light of what gypsyr0ad wrote (or dictated into a voice-recognition device):

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And if you serious think those quotes from God means he wants you to hit your kids so hard that you leave bruises and they cower in fear of your presence, you are sadly mistaken.
In the case of children who disobey a clear instruction - such as wash the dishes - God is quite clear:

DEUTERONOMY 21
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If a man haue a stubborne and rebellious sonne, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that when they haue chastened him, wil not hearken vnto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out vnto the Elders of his citie, and vnto the gate of his place:
20 And they shall say vnto the Elders of his citie, This our sonne is stubborne, and rebellious, hee will not obey our voice: he is a glutton, & a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that hee die: so shalt thou put euill away from among you, and all Israel shall heare, & feare.

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Now compare: “..hit your kids so hard that you leave bruises..”
• GOD INSTRUCTS US (not suggests, recommends, allows) TO HIT THE LITTLE WRETCH SO HARD, WITH ROCKS THAT IT IS KILLED.

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Jesus already paid harshly for our sins, and your children's as well.
Well firstly of course, that only works where Jesus' Perfect Sacrifice is accepted. However I checked the details of the various sacrifices made by the Levitical priesthood and The High Priest, from the time of Moses onwards, and compared numerous points given in the New Testament, particularly in Hebrews.

There is a difference been behaviour & discipline and sin & sacrifice.

The Bible tells us:

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishnesse is bound in the heart of a child: but the rod of correction shal driue it farre from him.
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This is not about sin, as such. We know that disobedient children must be killed, but kids do act a bit silly at times - I know I did - and it is always appropriate to beat them with a rod to correct their foolish behaviour.
There is no mention of sacrifices being required in this specific context. Sacrifices were made for sin, yes - including the sin of disease - and were specified; these remainedl current at the time of Jesus and I'll cite a single example:

MATTHEW 8
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When he was come downe from the Mountaine, great multitudes folowed him.
2 And behold, there came a leper, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, If thou wilt, thou canst make me cleane.
3 And Iesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will, bee thou cleane. And immediately his leprosie was cleansed.
4 And Iesus saith vnto him, See thou tell no man, but go thy way, shew thy selfe to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded
[see Leviticus 14 ] for a testimonie vnto them.

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The Bible explains that the old, Leviitcal sacrifices of the Mosaic Law were rendered obsolete by Jesus' perfect sacrifice. But that doesn't mean that children no longer need to be disciplined, and the point is made quite clear

HERE: Ephesians 6:4 And yee fathers, prouoke not your children to wrath: but bring them vp in the nourture and admonition of the Lord.
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HERE: I Timothy 3:4 One that ruleth well his owne house, hauing his children in subiection with all grauitie.
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HERE: Hebrews 12:7 If yee endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sonnes: for what sonne is he whom the father chasteneth not?
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HERE: Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a fewe dayes chastened vs [i.e. when we were children] after their owne pleasure, but hee for our profit, that we might bee partakers of his holinesse.
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HERE: Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be ioyous, but grieuous: neuerthelesse, afterward it yeeldeth the peaceable fruite of righteousnesse, vnto them which are exercised thereby.
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When we read the words of false "Christians" who distort the Scriptures, we know that we are reading the words of Satan:

II CORINTHIANS 4
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Therefore, seeing we haue this ministery, as we haue receiued mercie wee faint not:
2 But haue renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftines, nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the trueth, commending our selues to euery mans conscience, in the sight of God.

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II PETER 3
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As also in all his Epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be vnderstood, which they that are vnlearned and vnstable wrest, as they doe also the other Scriptures, vnto their owne destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloued, seeing yee know these things before, beware lest yee also being led away with the errour of the wicked, fall from your owne stedfastnesse.

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God is clear in His instruction, concerning which children are to be killed - and which are to be beaten. We accept His guidance: it is a part of His Perfect Love. We know that the naysayers are tools in Satan's hand, jerked around at his whim and erupting filth to extend the corruption with which he would fill the whole world. We know because God has told us:

II CORINTHIANS 4
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But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which beleeue not, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine vnto them.

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