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You haven't proved atheists wrong.. Even I know this. Proving atheists wrong 'with science'? Simple science says that water is recycled. It's not an infinite resource, but there is a water CYCLE. (Even if god created this cycle, it still exists). Water does not 'magically disappear' when we drink it.

You can't 'use science' to say this when science itself explains it with the water cycle.

Also, this information is assuming that 6 billion humans have been alive for 3 billion years. Obviously untrue. Science says that LIFE has been alive for 3 billion years. Starting with microscopic organisms. Large amounts of humans have only been around for MUCH less time.

In conclusion, this has proved absolutely nothing. Well, it's proved the stupidity of the person who wrote it. If you argue a point, argue it well.
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You haven't proved atheists wrong.. Even I know this. Proving atheists wrong 'with science'? Simple science says that water is recycled. It's not an infinite resource, but there is a water CYCLE. (Even if god created this cycle, it still exists). Water does not 'magically disappear' when we drink it.

You can't 'use science' to say this when science itself explains it with the water cycle.

Also, this information is assuming that 6 billion humans have been alive for 3 billion years. Obviously untrue. Science says that LIFE has been alive for 3 billion years. Starting with microscopic organisms. Large amounts of humans have only been around for MUCH less time.

In conclusion, this has proved absolutely nothing. Well, it's proved the stupidity of the person who wrote it. If you argue a point, argue it well.
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7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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You haven't proved atheists wrong.. Even I know this. Proving atheists wrong 'with science'? Simple science says that water is recycled. It's not an infinite resource, but there is a water CYCLE. (Even if god created this cycle, it still exists). Water does not 'magically disappear' when we drink it.

You can't 'use science' to say this when science itself explains it with the water cycle.

Also, this information is assuming that 6 billion humans have been alive for 3 billion years. Obviously untrue. Science says that LIFE has been alive for 3 billion years. Starting with microscopic organisms. Large amounts of humans have only been around for MUCH less time.

In conclusion, this has proved absolutely nothing. Well, it's proved the stupidity of the person who wrote it. If you argue a point, argue it well.

If mammals drink salt water, they dehydrate and die, right?

Somehow seals, manatees, whales and dolphins stay hydrated. Thank you God.


And everything you said is both unoriginal and unfounded. Good day.
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That's an interesting math... I wonder if you people piss or that way of water circulation in nature is unfamiliar to you?
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I just got the message that my language here is inappropriate. I apologize for that. I thought saying "piss" instead of urinating is OK as that was the word form the Bible quote I was supposed to enter upon registration.

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#1; the water cycle is proven.
we drink water, we urinate into the toilet, the toilet drains into the sewer, the sewer system empties treated waste into lakes and rivers, the lakes and rivers dilute the waste and the water is re-consumed by another town down the river or across the lake. this repeats. Also water evaporates in heat and turns to water vapor (a gas) this gas rises until it is cooled in the sky. it then re condenses into rain and falls to the ground.
an example of condensation is: on a cool day three or four people are sitting in a car with the windows rolled up and the car off. after a short time they may notice a fog forming on the window. this is the water vapour they have expelled through breathing condensing on the cool windows. If this goes on long enough the fog will show visible water droplets.

#2 Sea mammals that can't filter the salt out and absorb water through there skin receive there fresh water from the fish they eat. the fish are able to filter out the salt inside their bodies.
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#1; the water cycle is proven.
we drink water, we urinate into the toilet, the toilet drains into the sewer, the sewer system empties treated waste into lakes and rivers, the lakes and rivers dilute the waste and the water is re-consumed by another town down the river or across the lake. this repeats. Also water evaporates in heat and turns to water vapor (a gas) this gas rises until it is cooled in the sky. it then re condenses into rain and falls to the ground.
an example of condensation is: on a cool day three or four people are sitting in a car with the windows rolled up and the car off. after a short time they may notice a fog forming on the window. this is the water vapour they have expelled through breathing condensing on the cool windows. If this goes on long enough the fog will show visible water droplets.

#2 Sea mammals that can't filter the salt out and absorb water through there skin receive there fresh water from the fish they eat. the fish are able to filter out the salt inside their bodies.
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#1; the water cycle is proven.
we drink water, we urinate into the toilet, the toilet drains into the sewer, the sewer system empties treated waste into lakes and rivers, the lakes and rivers dilute the waste and the water is re-consumed by another town down the river or across the lake. this repeats. Also water evaporates in heat and turns to water vapor (a gas) this gas rises until it is cooled in the sky. it then re condenses into rain and falls to the ground.
an example of condensation is: on a cool day three or four people are sitting in a car with the windows rolled up and the car off. after a short time they may notice a fog forming on the window. this is the water vapour they have expelled through breathing condensing on the cool windows. If this goes on long enough the fog will show visible water droplets.

#2 Sea mammals that can't filter the salt out and absorb water through there skin receive there fresh water from the fish they eat. the fish are able to filter out the salt inside their bodies.
Eh!!!? Even if you argue the world is billions of years old; then relatively speaking, the invention of the sewer system is pretty modern - indeed atheists assert that humans have been around for 200,000 years yet it was only in the last 200 years or so that they were able to make urine fit for drinking again - thus you'd have us believe that for roughly 200,000 years humans have survived drinking either by drinking urine or otherwise consuming whatever water wasn't urine after 3 billion years worth of animals had taken their share of it.!!?

Clearly this is stupid, and so we must rely on some other agent providing the water - i.e. God, but then since the only true God is described in the KJV Bible it thus follows, as per the quite delightful argument given in the OP, that the earth is roughly 6000 years old as the learned people on this forum say it is ;]
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This is absolute nonsense that these idiotic atheists spew out. Rev. Rodimer is correct that there is a limited amount of water. Even if the hydrologic cycle hypothesis were true, it still would NOT operate at 100% efficiency, and over time, you would eventually run out of water.

So, if you take a gallon of water, drink it, then pee it out, then it goes into the ground, then filters and becomes water underground, you wouldn't have a gallon of water afterwards. When you drink water, part of it is absorbed into your body. Then when you urinate the rest of it comes out. Then part of that urine is absorbed into the soil itself. If, whatever is left of it reaches down to the water table, what you have is far less than what you initially consumed.

Also, if marine mammals get their water from fish, then how come people cannot survive on fish alone? We need water too. I dare any of these evolutionary idiots to survive completely on fish for a whole month. They'll die of dehydration.
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If due to heat the water evaporates and produces rain then we would have more rain and clouds in the summer. In the summer there are hardly any clouds because all the water is stuck firmly on God's Earth. In the winter we have cloud cover, does more water evaporate up when the weather is colder?


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I am flabbergasted. Let me just ask you christian guys one thing: Where is it that you imagine all this water is disappearing to?
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Personally, I have little idea and care less - God has a plan and I trust in it; it probably goes into the Fountains of the Deep

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"Fountains of the Deep", huh? So much for using science to disprove atheism
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According to Harvard Medical School, humans release 2.5 quarts of water a day via various bodily functions (don't forget breathing and sweating, not to mention the other scatological ones already discussed). That's roughly 2 liters. Here's a Mayo Clinic link showing this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283 . The water cycle is incredibly efficient and operates at exactly 100% for every living creature. Any water you take in is eventually released back into the world in one way or another.

The only time water is really "lost" from earth is when the occasional molecule slips out of the atmosphere into space. However, earth's mass makes that a very negligible amount.

So, the upshot: earth can easily be much older the 6,000 years, the science used in this proof is faulty. Nothing wrong with trying again, though. And in the future, don't refer to us atheists as "idiots", it only makes it more likely we'll have to prove you wrong.

You stick to matters of faith, we'll stick to matters of science. Deal?
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According to Harvard Medical School, humans release 2.5 quarts of water a day via various bodily functions (don't forget breathing and sweating, not to mention the other scatological ones already discussed). That's roughly 2 liters. Here's a Mayo Clinic link showing this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283 . The water cycle is incredibly efficient and operates at exactly 100% for every living creature.
Listen Lady, do you really think that same University that promotes evilution, and other secular propaganda, would really publish any article that would pass critical inspection by Creation scientist? And do you think that they would harm themselves by publishing article that would contradict their other articles.

Did they back their claims by scripture? No.

Did they let Creation scientist to check the fact and did they make sure that their "facts" do not contradict Real Facts that Creation scientist have established? No.

So how can it be called valid by their own scientific principles? It can't.

Problem is that the article is based on theories, not facts.


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This very thread (and poster) has got to be a put-on. Forget the blatantly wrong 6 billion people have been around for millions of years (no athiest or scientist ever stated such absurdness)
Stating that potable water on the planet is akin to the apple pie on your countertop--as it's consumed, it's gone for good--is so over-the-top ludicrous it defies religious and rational explanation. No where in the 'good book' does it state anything of the sort. This has to be a joke
This thread is exactly why I don't go to church anymore, or why I have such issues with people that put their belief in their own flawed interpretation of faith above everything else.
Step back and hear what you're saying--
Whether the earth is billions of years old, or thousands of years old--irrelevant to this very conversation.
Anyone (and I mean anyone--scientist or not) can setup, test, observe, and come to a rational conclusion as to how the water cycle works. Ministers and popes, padres and bishops, have not contradicted how this water cycle works. It's one of the few 'scientific facts' that has absolutely no biblical contradictions. This isn't evolution, or how old the planet is, or anything of the sort. This should be 'common ground' on which everyone on the planet should agree on--water cycle.
Is there a finite amount of water on our planet? Yes--like everything else.
Is water consumed and used by living organisms? Yep
Is water then evacuated by the organism? Ummm---YES!!!
Does this evacuated water, through various ways, end up back in potable condition? Yes.
If you're getting into the niggly idea that water intake by living organisms (aka 'us) is not the exact same amount of water evacuated by us, well, you're just wrong. Over the course of our lives, from birth to death (and the decomposition thereof), the water that has entered our bodies is the same as the amount of water released by our bodies--THE END. This fact can be tested and observed, and really has been for quite some time.
If it wasn't, we'd either be bloated bags of water--getting bigger and bigger until we burst, or shrinking and turning to dust as the days go by. Since most of us here don't turn to dust on a daily basis, or blow up in a huge splash of water, I think we can infer that water regulation--intake vs output--is pretty much equal.
I mean, you might as well apply this to oxygen--there's a finite amount of oxygen--yet we're still here and breathing... There's a finite amount of everything on this planet, yet here we are, still able to eat, drink and breathe... How does this happen? Cycles. Water cycle, CO2 and Oxygen cycle, and the cycle of life... None of thise cycles are contradicted by the bible.
The larger bit, however, is that getting into a snit over this--taking the staunch stand that God, his very self, is the only way we still have water after 6000 years, is making you look like an idiot. Not just to the athiests out there, but to fellow Christians and other believers who actually use the God given sense they have.
This does not make any sense on any level at all. I can't believe people are adhering to this idiotic premise. This has nothing to do with evangalism or biblical interpretations or 'proving those dastardly athiests wrong!!'. This has everything to do with self aggrandizing in spite of the evidence and putting your own sense of self above what God wants from you.
He gave you the tools of reasoning and understanding.
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Dear creationists,

Please, oh, pretty please DO disseminate this pamphlet everywhere you can. Please do send it to your senators and other politicians, present it at school boards, explain it at town hall meetings and best of all, use it in court to prove your point that evolution cannot possibly explain the presence of all this water on our Earth.

Please go forth and do not even read on beyond this point.

Still here?

Oh, but please do point out to everyone how those stupid atheists cannot account for the fact that all this water that just is absorbed in our bodies, after being drunk, and even when peed out, then at least absorbed in the soil. Never mind the fact that a body can only hold about 40 liters of water at one time, and that also the soil only can hold a finite amount of water before being saturated.

Certainly, the water just must be magically disappearing, by the hand of God, of course, so you would have an irrefutable argument against those pesky infidels.

Please do so, won't you, please, so all the world will be able to see how amazing your understanding of science really is.

Thank you in advance!
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Dear creationists,

Please, oh, pretty please DO disseminate this pamphlet everywhere you can. Please do send it to your senators and other politicians, present it at school boards, explain it at town hall meetings and best of all, use it in court to prove your point that evolution cannot possibly explain the presence of all this water on our Earth.

Please go forth and do not even read on beyond this point.

Still here?

Oh, but please do point out to everyone how those stupid atheists cannot account for the fact that all this water that just is absorbed in our bodies, after being drunk, and even when peed out, then at least absorbed in the soil. Never mind the fact that a body can only hold about 40 liters of water at one time, and that also the soil only can hold a finite amount of water before being saturated.

Certainly, the water just must be magically disappearing, by the hand of God, of course, so you would have an irrefutable argument against those pesky infidels.

Please do so, won't you, please, so all the world will be able to see how amazing your understanding of science really is.

Thank you in advance!
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