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Old 08-26-2008, 05:54 AM
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But you are, dear. You are.

All Catholics are Mary-worshipping, pagan scum who spit in the face of Jesus by worshipping his DEAD mother, and fondle "relics" of dead "saints". How disrespectful (and disgusting, not to mention unhygienic) is that?

Why not read the first post in this thread and see if you can comprehend what it says? I realize that you're female, but I can grasp it, so you should be able to, as well.

Pastor Ezekiel writes so well, even we ladies can understand his meanings.
Please learn about Catholicism yourself before inaccurately representing it. I say this because if you had ever picked up an accurate text on Catholicism, you would have learned that:

A) we do not worship Mary, we only worship God
we are not Pagans, we are Christians who worship God, and
C) we do not "fondle" relics by any stretch of the imagination.

I do not pretend to be an apologist. I know there are many people in the world better suited to defend my faith than I am; but I can tell you, as a devout Catholic these things do not happen.

Furthermore, I am quite proud to be female - after all, God made me that way. God also blessed me with a fair amount of intelligence. I understood every word that Pastor Ezekial said, and being female didn't stop me from graduating at the top of my class in a predominantly male school with a 4.0 GPA.

I would also like to reiterate that loving Christians would never call God's creations by hateful names. I do not have any qualms with Baptism, nor have I insulted it in any way. So I ask that you grant me that same respect.

If you have questions about the Catholic Church that you would like to have answered - issues that you would like to discuss in a civil manner - please ask. I will be more than happy to address them as best I can. I do not have any grandiose dreams of converting you to Catholicism. If you choose to be Baptist, then I will respect your choice. All I want is for my religion to represented as it actually is. Only through mutual tolerance and acceptance can there be peace.
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Take a look at THIS, papist. Conclusive proof that satan is your master.
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Please learn about Catholicism yourself before inaccurately representing it.
<pro Catholic and anti-Christian lies>.
Did you bother to read the first post?

Do you deny what it says?

By the way, how exactly do you justify praying to Mary, a dead woman who will not hear you until the Resurrection at Judgment?

Don't bother saying Catholics don't pray to Mary. http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-prayers.html

Is it not worship to call her "Holy Queen" or "Queen of Heaven"?

Who gave her that title? I see it not anywhere in the Bible.

Just LOOK at this BLASPHEMY!!

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Hail Holy Queen

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy,
our life, our sweetness and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve;
to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley of tears.
Turn then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us,
and after this our exile,
show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!

Amen
There is but ONE advocate in Heaven, who is CHRIST JESUS, not the woman who God picked to carry Him for nine months!

For crying out loud, you don't praise the OVEN when you find yourself eating a delicious cake, do you?!


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Dear Lord, I do not know what will happen to me today. I only know that nothing will happen that was not foreseen by You, and directed to my greater good from all eternity. I adore Your holy and unfathomable plans, and submit to them with all my heart for love of You, the Pope, and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Amen.
What happened to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No, this is Father, anti-Christ Pope Nazinger, and LONG-DEAD VESSEL?!

Here's another heap of horrifying hogwash, Missy! http://www.yenra.com/catholic/prayer...ntoheaven.html

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Prayer to Our Lady, Assumed into Heaven

Immaculate Virgin, Mother of Jesus and our Mother, we believe in your triumphant assumption into heaven where the angels and saints acclaim you as Queen. We join them in praising you and bless the Lord who raised you above all creatures. With them we offer you our devotion and love.

We are confident that you watch over our daily efforts and needs, and we take comfort from the faith in the coming resurrection. We look to you, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. After this earthly life, show us Jesus, the blest fruit of your womb, O kind, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.
Where in the Bible does this come from? Oh, yes. NOWHERE. This is Catholic lies and filth, made up to distract from Jesus and turn your attentions to Mary/Semiramis, Queen of Heaven.

Here, try this reference, dear: http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/two_babylons.htm

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The Two Babylons is a book written by Alexander Hislop (1853) which asserts and documents 2 main points:

1. That the Ancient Pagan systems of worship of false gods were based on "mysteries", and that the genesis of those mysteries could be found within the old Babylonian (chaldean) system of worship.

2. That the Roman Catholic Church - [soon after its creation which occured 300 Years after Christ] - appropriated the characteristics of Pagan systems of worship, in order to try to convince Pagans into thinking that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own pagan worship.

This was not a deception. It is simply true. The majority of the extra teachings of the Roman Catholic Church do Not come from the Bible, but from the teachings of Pagan Gods of the Pantheon (family) of false Gods of the Roman Empire and Roman Emperors.
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The relationship between the 1st spiritual Babylon (in Ancient Babylon) and the 2nd spiritual Babylon (the Roman Catholic Church) is not something difficult to prove. But it is something difficult to understand - if you do not know anything about ancient systems of Pagan worship.

The Ancient systems of the Worship of the Roman Pantheon of Gods is well documented. Those systems of worship:

a. were around and Still in practice at the time of the Roman Empire
b. were filled with symbology, meanings and methods which are still to be found in the Roman Catholic Church (and the Eastern Orthodox Church also).
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Some people today who know ONLY of either The Two Babylons by Hislop or the book by Ralph Woodrow think that - the contents of The Two Babylons are some kind of "original" work, and that no one else has figured this out.

The fact is that several modern sources and books have said the same thing as The Two Babylons in 2 key points:

A. Pagan Rituals all over the world related to different godess-worship movement are actually Almost All actually the worship of Cybele/Isis/Ishtar.

B. The Roman Catholic Church has absorbed many Pagan rituals from the pantheon of false goos and goddesses that surrounded it in the Roman Empire.


More, you say? http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/Religion-Semiramis_Nimrod.html

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Semiramis was initially included in the pagan Babylonian trinity as the holy spirit or seed of the divine son in his mother's womb. Within time, however, the father Nimrod was practically overlooked and worshiped only as the god-incarnate son in his mother's arms. In other words, the father became invisible and was no longer worshiped, whereas, the mother with the god-incarnate son in her arms became the grand object of worship.92 Numerous Babylonian monuments show the goddess-mother Semiramis with her son in arms (Figure 2, pages 16, 17). This worship of mother and child spread throughout the known world, and given different names in the various languages of the world. Ancient Germans worshipped the virgin Hertha with child in arms. Scandinavians called her Disa pictured with child. The Egyptian mother and child were worshiped as Isis with the infant Osiris or Horus seated on his mother's lap. In India, the mother and child were called Devaki and Krishna, and also Isi and Iswara as they are worshiped to this day. In Asia, they were known as Cybele and Deoius; in pagan Rome, as Fortuna and Jupiter-puer, or Jupiter, the boy; in Greece, as Ceres, the great mother with babe at her breast, or as Irene, the goddess of peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms.

The image of mother with child in her arms was so firmly entrenched in the pagan mind that by the time Christianity appeared on the scene in 30 A.D., these statues and paintings were merely renamed and worshiped as the virgin Mary with her god-incarnate son Jesus. Thus, the pagan mother and child entered Christianity as the Roman Catholic worship of Mary with the infant Jesus. In fact, in Tibet, China, and Japan, Jesuit missionaries were astonished to find the counterpart of the madonna and child as devoutly worshiped as they were in Rome. Shing Moo, the holy mother in China was portrayed with a child in her arms and a glory around her, exactly as if she had
been fashioned by Roman Catholic artisans.
The sad part is, you have no clue the Satanic, pagan wretch you are.
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I happen to be Catholic. I have many friends who are Catholic, many who are Baptist, and many who subscribe to other Christian denominations. Who cares?! No matter how each religion views each of the other religions, it all boils down to this: we all claim to be Christian, we all believe in God, and we are all trying to do our best to get to Heaven.
Not neccesarily. Considering all mortals are sinful by nature, some more than others, often do "Christians" take the easier paths of self denial and justification. Instead of owning up to the responsabilities of their faith, they continue leading sinful lives attempting to find comfort in the song and dance of Christianity and bastardized beliefs they try and hold as talismans rather than true and personal faith. Talking the talk, but not walking the walk so to speak. Many folks would do well to weigh the value of their beliefs against the value of their acts.

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Perhaps if we all would spend more time focusing on what we have in common, rather than dwelling on the relatively small number of things that are different, then maybe there would be less conflict in the world.
Less conflict in the world would denote a tolerance for the sinful nature of a planet in the grips of secular society. Complacency leads to degeneration.

As far as focusing on commonality is concerned, it boils down to a matter of the importance of truth. If you are going to lead a soul to Christ, you cannot afford to be stumbling on path like a drunkard, hence why comparisons of faith are key to walking closer to said path.

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In my understanding, no Christian - no one who considers oneself to be Christian - would take joy in willfully attacking other people. It is my understanding that no Christian religion promotes ridicule, insults, discourtesy, or lies as being the pathway to Heaven.
While many of these things are distasteful, I would argue there are many examples of the faithful heaping insult on the heads of the lacking. Often are transgressors described as fools, or dogs, or worse.

As far is discourtecy is concerned, I'm fairly sure nowhere in the Bible does it command the faithful to be accomedating and placating in their tone and temperment. I would site this as an example of secular ideals being improperly inserted into Christian theology. The Bible does not need us making up our own precepts of right and wrong and slipping them in between the pages. To your credit though, as a citizen of best nation in the world, I concur that decent folk should refrain from insulting and discourteous discource.

As far as lying is concerned, no doubt about it, lying is evil and destructive and should be guarded against at all times.

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And indeed, good Christians, whatever denomination, would try to treat all people with great respect, since they are, after all, creations of God.
I would disagree that all people deserve respect as creations of God, but I can't argue with 1 Peter 2:17.

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And besides, I don't think any religion ever gained true converts through acts of disrespect. Rather, people are most likely to convert if they are shown love and kindness.
While I might concur with the honey than vinegar idea going on here, it is safe to say this place is not a fertile source of conversion, rather it is a provng ground for ideas. Agreement rarely breeds thought, and there is much worth pondering about the Lord.

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Everybody, please treat everyone else with the respect they deserve.
Simply because God commands us to respect others does not mean they are worthy of this respect. Mankind is a sinful and wicked group of people. Only through the redeeming sacrafice of Jesus Christ are we granted the unmeasurable generosity of a choice for eternity in Heaven.
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The roman catholic "Church" is Not Christian. I want you all to understand this.

Practically all precepts of the papists contradict the Bible repeatedly. It is the largest cult in the world and most preachers will not openly say so because it is so large. For catholics who read this, please remember this: the person that tells you the truth is the one that cares. Jesus wants you to quit kissing those rings, and instead become washed clean in His Blood!

For a glimpse of the atrocities committed by the catholic cult, do a net search on the Inquisition or the Crusades. During the Inquisition, the catholics religion killed millions. Why? Primarily to suppress any and all opposition to the pope. Side "benefits" included taking the material wealth of its victims and showing the pope's power. The papist Inquisitors tortured, crippled, burned, and imprisioned millions of people. Whatever happened to love your enemies? (Matthew 5:44)

Before we get to specific problems with catholic doctrine, let's review how this bloodthirsty organization treated a man who simply wanted to get the Bible into the hands of the common people. In the late 1300s John Wycilf translated the scriptures from the Latin Vulgate. Some 40 odd years after his death, the catholic "religion" dug up his bones and burned them calling him an arch-heretick. In the 1500's William Tyndale sought to translate the Bible into the language of the common people, English. He could not gain approval from the catholic pope so he worked as an outlaw on the run in Europe, translating the Bible. He was eventually captured, condemned and executed in 1536. It is because of people like these men, Tyndale and Wycliffe, that we have the scriptures today. If the papists had their way, we'd still be in ignorance about the Bible and enslaved to the pope. Time fails me here to tell of other marytrs like John Hus, John Rogers, etc. who were killed by popish thugs.

I'll list the catholic tradition first and then what the Bible has to say about the matter.


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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Forbidding the priesthood to marry.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

1) It is devilish to forbid God's people to marry when He has given marriage to be received with thanksgiving.

1 Timothy
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

2) Peter was married (remember the pope is supposedly continuing the apostolic line through Peter).

Matthew
8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark
1:30 But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.

Luke
4:38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.

3) Paul, a great apostle, remained single; however he made it very clear that he could marry if he wanted to.

1 Corinthians
9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary never had other children after the Lord Jesus. A perpetual virgin.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary and Joseph indeed had children. They were the Lord's half brothers and sisters for their father was Joseph and mother was Mary.

Matthew
13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mark
6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the queen of heaven.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.

Jeremiah
7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the mother of God.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary is the mother of the earthly Jesus, not God. Jesus pre- existed from everlasting as God (see John 1:1). When He came to redeem mankind, He laid aside His glory and was made like unto sinful man so that He could take our punishment (Hebrew 2:9). God has no mother. He has lived from everlasting which means He had no beginning.

Isaiah
43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [If Mary gave birth to God, she'd be God.]
Psalm
93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

Micah
5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler [Jesus] in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Philippians
2:6 Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Pope called Holy Father.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - The term Holy Father is only found one time in the entire Bible. It was when Jesus prayed before He and His disciples went to the garden of Gethsemane. He referred to God the Father as Holy Father. It is blasphemy to call a man by God's name

John
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Purgatory, nuns, popes.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - None of these is mentioned in the Bible. It is a sin to add to the Bible.

Proverbs
30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

The pope is a man who takes upon himself honor which belongs to no human being. Even the very name by which he allows himself to be called (Holy Father) is highly presumptuous and blasphemous (see above).

One does not need the pope to determine what God's will is. The Bible says that God has given the Holy Ghost to each believer and that He (the Holy Ghost) guides and leads us into all truth. All a believer needs is the Bible and the Holy Ghost to know the will of the Lord. Popery has been treacherous, but worse, each pope has been the blind leading the blind. Jesus said that both will fall into the ditch. Catholics, come out of this system that cannot save and know Jesus for youself, intimate and up-close.

NOTE: Purgatory is supposedly a place where a person is purified of sins--even popes supposedly go there. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the one that purifies us of our sins.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.... When a person dies their eternal home is sealed--heaven or hell--no in between. Hebrews 9:27 ...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Venerating/worshipping images. Pope bows to statues of Mary, people worship the eucharist and have statues/candles in their homes and churches.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - It is idolatry to venerate images. We are not even supposed to make them.

Exodus
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God...
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - The mass. Through transubstantiation, the wafer/host and the wine supposedly become the actual blood and body of Jesus Christ when the priest prays over them.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus died once for sins, never to be repeated. He sits on the right hand of God and does not reappear in the mass as a mass of blood and flesh.

Hebrews
10:12 But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
John
19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

1 Corinthians
11:24 And when he [Jesus] had given thanks, he brake it [bread], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come (not for the forgiveness of sins or to receive Jesus).

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Saved, in part, by good works.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Good works are the fruits that grow out of being saved. They do not make you saved. An apple does not make its tree an apple tree, it was already an apple tree before any apples appeared. When you see the apples; however, you know what kind of tree it is. If a person is saved, he will shew forth good works because he has the spirit of Christ in him. The good works don't make him saved only the blood of Jesus can do that.

I John
1:7b ...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Acts 16:31b
...believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

Romans
3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

What about James 2:20 "faith without works is dead"?

The kind of faith that saves is a faith that shows forth the works of God. Even devils believe in Jesus and tremble (James 2:19). Many people believe in Jesus but they won't follow Him. They have a faith, but not the kind that saves. If a person has true faith in Jesus, the Holy Ghost dwells in him and will cause good works will show forth in his life. The good works confirm the faith by which the person was saved. James 2:21-23 uses Abraham as an example. Abraham believed God so when God asked him to sacrifice his son Isaac, Abraham, out of his faith in God, offered up Isaac.


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CATHOLIC TRADITION - The church is founded on Peter.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus Christ is the foundation of the church. Peter was a man like you and me. Jesus called Peter Satan in Matthew 16:23 when Peter rebuked Jesus dying. When Cornelius tried to worship Peter, Peter responded, "Stand up; I myself also am a man." (Acts 10:26). The pope needs to remember Acts 10:26 when he has men bowing to him and kissing his hand like he is worthy of worship.

1 Corinthians
3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Matthew
21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected [Jesus], the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Confessing sins to a priest. Petitioning saints and Mary.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - We are to confess our sins and needs to God alone.

I John
1:9 If we confess our sins, he [God] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Matthew
6:9, 12 After this manner...pray ye: Our Father... forgive us....

1 Timothy
2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [not Mary, not saints, not priests, not the pope];

I John 2:1, ...And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
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There are many other scriptures that could have been used here to testify against the doctrines of the catholic cult. There are also many other doctrines of the catholic cult which could have been refuted (e.g. the sacraments, receiving the Holy Ghost, salvation through the catholic religion, penance, rosary, etc.).

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The catholic cult has a history of taking the money of poor widows in order to say masses for the dead (which do no good) and collecting the material possessions of nuns. In Italy, the heart of papism, there is an often used saying that goes, "Without money, they don't sing the mass." That is really pitiful on several fronts--1) mass is blasphemous and people who trust in it are hell-bound 2) there's no such thing as purgatory and 3) the gift of God is without price.

Roman mary worship today is probably the wealthiest government/tax-free corporation in the world. It owns a good share of America's hospitals and has healthy real estate interests. The bottom line is, if you want to get right with God, you have to go through His Son, Jesus Christ, not the Whore of Babylon (aka the catholic "church").

Praise Jesus!

As a Catholic let me just say this. To any one looking for biblical proof on why the Church believes what it does you first have to include ALL the books in the bible, not any one of the 7 (or is it 8 now?) kjv versions. Second I know this will be cosidered a cop-out but I don't really have the patience to throw verse after verse at any protestant baptist or otherwise, and have them tell me that I misinterpret. This is not a cut down to any one on this forum but if you look at the writings of the early Church fathers (yes I said father and before you quote scripture telling me that this is sinful you may want to look at the 2nd commandment "honor your father and mother; God does not contradict Himself but merely asks for some common sense) you will find their beliefs to be entirely Catholic. And finally, and more to the point, the bible contadicts itself over and over again unless you look at it as a whole as Catholics do. Lastly, the last supper discourses; When Jesus says "this IS my body, this IS my blood" (here we go again right! poor Catholic me) I misinterpret right? Well duh you might say. But then please explain John 6 vs 60 -70 (either Jesus was a poor teacher of symbolism or some of His followers understood him perfectly but chose not to believe. I choose the 2nd. God Bless.
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If you're going to be too lazy to offer scriptual support for your ascertions, I don't forsee your writing here being anything more than an eyesore.

As far as your transubstantiation nonsense is concerned, of all the times you've had communion have you tased the coppery tang of Christ blood? Or a chewy consitency of Jesus flesh? No, you haven't. It's tasted like wine and and it's felt like wafer, everytime, period.

To use a saying I'm fond of, "If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks likes a duck.....it's probably a duck."

Pull your head out of the sand and realize your faith is full of unnecesary ritual not given to you by the holy scriptures but by a failed collection of religious elders bent on validating their system of worship with the supersticious masses.

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If you're going to be too lazy to offer scriptual support for your ascertions, I don't forsee your writing here being anything more than an eyesore.

As far as your transubstantiation nonsense is concerned, of all the times you've had communion have you tased the coppery tang of Christ blood? Or a chewy consitency of Jesus flesh? No, you haven't. It's tasted like wine and and it's felt like wafer, everytime, period.

To use a saying I'm fond of, "If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks likes a duck.....it's probably a duck."

Pull your head out of the sand and realize your faith is full of unnecesary ritual not given to you by the holy scriptures but by a failed collection of religious elders bent on validating their system of worship with the supersticious masses.

And for the sake of whatever saint you all chalked up for internet forum posting etiquite, don't quote 3 or 4 pages worth of text you don't even bother to refer to in your reply.
Wow you got me. I apologize and am now baptist. Seriously come on. My brother is baptist and comes over every weekend with his bible and quotes verse after verse at me and when I point to verses to contadict his beliefs then his reply is always "you miss interpret" as far as your "if it walks like a duck" comment. If it's replies are uneducated, it's comments uneducated, (well you know) and incidently I noticed your reply was nothig more than a mere, what was the phrase eyesore, and that you skirted over my John 6 vs 60-70 remark. And if you know the bible so well why should I have to quote it for you to know what I mean after a brief description?
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Wow you got me. I apologize and am now baptist.
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My brother is baptist and comes over every weekend with his bible and quotes verse after verse at me and when I point to verses to contadict his beliefs then his reply is always "you miss interpret"
I respect the fact that both you and your brother engage in intellectual and theological discussion on a weekly basis. I trust he does what he does out of care for you. I was unfortunate to be raised without a brother, so in some regards I envy the oppertunty you have. Do not take the ministries of your brother for granted and likewise do not allow him to get away with unnacceptable answers to the problems you find with his belief system. Do not let him be weak, if all he can say is "you missinterpret" call him out on it, make him explain how his interpretation differs from yours.

If you like, when you have the time, bring some of your points of contradiction here and I'm sure there is a biblical scholar who will not only be able to back up their assertions with scripture, but also prepare scripture to support the how they came to interpret the aforementioned scripture.

Those who disagree with your believe system have made a strong case against you with dozens of citations. To leave them unquited is to concede defeat.

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as far as your "if it walks like a duck" comment. If it's replies are uneducated, it's comments uneducated, (well you know)
As far as education is concerned, from a purely secular standpoint, I use capitilzation and punctuation. Your powers of run-on sentance are strong, but I suppose I'm just being petty. Maybe I'm just mad you weren't awed by my duck saying.

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and incidently I noticed your reply was nothig more than a mere, what was the phrase eyesore, and that you skirted over my John 6 vs 60-70 remark.
John 6:60-70? Well, let's see. If you really want folks to read your citations, I find it helps to include it in the body of your work. You can always copy/paste from biblegateway.com. Some good resources there I find.

Alright, read it over and...I fail to see your point. As far as I knew we were discussing how unreasonable and undoctrinally sound transubstantiation is. This seems to be a passge where Jesus is trying to instruct his disciples on the difficulties they will face as teachers of the Word. If you mean something earlier in John, perhaps you should edit your relevent citation.

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And if you know the bible so well why should I have to quote it for you to know what I mean after a brief description?
Just a little secret between you and I, I don't know the Bible as well as you might think. When I have a topic in mind, I have a topical concordence that I use to reference verses that may or may not be approriate. I hope you'll forgive me if I don't use it to carry on both sides of an argument at the same time. Do not expect me to be an enabler to your laziness.
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Take a look at THIS, papist. Conclusive proof that satan is your master.
On the magazine's website, I cannot access the cover article without paying for premium access. If you have access to the article in question, I will be happy to read it. Otherwise, this argument is null and void, especially since the subtitle of the magazine says "Catholics have long revered her, but now Protestants are finding their own reasons to celebrate the mother of Jesus." I would be willing to bet that the article does not support any of the claims made on the website you have shown me. I hope you Furthermore, I do not see any evidence that this website is a reputable source. As far as I can tell, this website is nothing but anti-Catholic propaganda. I am sure I could find some equally inaccurate propaganda concerning the Baptist faith if I cared too. Such websites fill people with hate and promote ignorance.

The idea that Catholics worship Mary and other false idols is an unfortunate rumor. We worship God, and God alone. We celebrate Mary's role as a vessel for bringing Jesus into the world, but we also acknowledge that she was no more a God than you or I.
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Did you bother to read the first post?

Do you deny what it says?

By the way, how exactly do you justify praying to Mary, a dead woman who will not hear you until the Resurrection at Judgment?

Don't bother saying Catholics don't pray to Mary. http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-prayers.html

Is it not worship to call her "Holy Queen" or "Queen of Heaven"?

Who gave her that title? I see it not anywhere in the Bible.

Just LOOK at this BLASPHEMY!!



There is but ONE advocate in Heaven, who is CHRIST JESUS, not the woman who God picked to carry Him for nine months!

For crying out loud, you don't praise the OVEN when you find yourself eating a delicious cake, do you?!



What happened to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No, this is Father, anti-Christ Pope Nazinger, and LONG-DEAD VESSEL?!

Here's another heap of horrifying hogwash, Missy! http://www.yenra.com/catholic/prayer...ntoheaven.html



Where in the Bible does this come from? Oh, yes. NOWHERE. This is Catholic lies and filth, made up to distract from Jesus and turn your attentions to Mary/Semiramis, Queen of Heaven.

Here, try this reference, dear: http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/two_babylons.htm

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More, you say? http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/Religion-Semiramis_Nimrod.html

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The sad part is, you have no clue the Satanic, pagan wretch you are.
I did read the first post. I do disagree, with what it says, because the Roman Catholic Faith has been portrayed inaccurately. For an accurate source of information concerning the beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church, you might try taking a look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It can be accessed online. It is not a substitute for the Bible, by any means, but it does explain why we believe what we believe. And again, I am not trying to get anyone to convert, here; I just want to silence the misconceptions about Roman Catholicism.

Here is a link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

[satanic link deleted]

In response to Roman Catholics being Satanic, I find it odd to hear that word used to describe people who worship God.

I also find the use of the word "pagan" to be highly inappropriate.

Here is a definition of "pagan" from Dictionary.com:

–noun 1.one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. 2.a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. 3.an irreligious or hedonistic person.
Catholics are not polytheistic, since we only worship one God. We are Christian, because we worship God. We aren't irreligious because we believe in God, and we aren't hedonistic because Catholicism's aim is not self-gratification.

And while I remain happy to answer your questions, I would again like to request that you stop talking to me in a derogatory manner. There is a difference between inquiring about one's religion and belligerently attacking it.

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Perhaps it might be innapropriate to find humor in such a thought, but after I read that last post, all I could think was, "The Catholic giveth, and the Pastor Ezekiel taketh away."
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I did read the first post. I do disagree, with what it says, because the Roman Catholic Faith has been portrayed inaccurately.
All of my last post to you came from Catholic websites. Are you saying they are all inaccurate, as well?
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But you ignore God in favor of Mary and her merry band of a thousand "saints".
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Here is a definition of "pagan" from Dictionary.com:

–noun 1.one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. 2.a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. 3.an irreligious or hedonistic person.
Let's see:

1. You worship/pray to Mary/Semiramis and many saints/demons, with feast days copied directly from the Roman pantheon. So, Catholics are polytheistic.
2. Catholics are not Christian, they are not Jews, and they are not Muslims.
3. Given the sin-and-do-penance-instead-of-repent attitude of Catholics, I think "hedonistic" can fairly apply.

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I'm glad you can see the difference, dear. Please allow me to clarify a point for you:

We aren't inquiring about your cult. We already know that it is a direct route to Hellfire. We are not interested in "growing understanding" between Christians and Pagans like yourself, or "opening interfaith dialogue". We have no desire to expose our weaker-willed members and those new to Christianity to the Catholic cult's sensual temptations of cannibalism, pederasty, and "hot lesbian nun-on-nun action", nor will we allow you to tempt our members into service to the antiChrist, Pope Nazinger.

Instead, we intend to continually expose your polytheistic paganism for what it is, Semiramis-worshipper!

I hope that clears things up for you.
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How can you justify talking to me like this? Do you think God would approve? Do you think God approves of lying? Ask any Catholic about his or her beliefs. Take a glance at the Catechism. You are not portraying the Catholic Church as it really is. Why do you hate me? I know you believe I am living a life of sin. But even if you are correct, aren't Christians supposed to "love the sinner, hate the sin?"
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On a completely separate note I find it ironic that my link to the Catechism was deleted from my entry from yesterday. It's as if whoever removed it was afraid of it; they viewed it as contrary to the cause of the Landover Baptist Church It was removed because it would validate everything that I've been saying and invalidate all the false claims made about the Catholic Church. If people would read it, they would no longer remain in ignorance about what Catholics believe in, and they would lose many of the arguments that they use against Catholics. Like the notion that Catholics worship Mary - because we do not. They might even realize that Baptists and Catholics are not so far removed from each other, both being Christian and all. I wonder why the administrators of this site fear Catholicism so much if it is indeed just a heinous, Satanic, pagan, set of lies...
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How can you justify talking to me like this?
Because you're Hellbound pagan unsaved trash, I bet.
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Absolutely. In fact, if you fail to convert to Christianity, He will do more than say unpleasant things. He will torture you for eternity in Hell. (No "purgatory" made-up nonsense like you Catholics prefer to believe.)
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Nope. So why do Catholics claim to be Christians, and why do so many Catholic priests deny raping altar boys until they are arrested or sued?
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Why? We have already determined that God does not approve of lying.
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I haven't seen you respond to a single allegation with proof to refute it. Your saying that something isn't true isn't proof.
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We don't hate you. We pity your confusion. We want you to understand, in no uncertain terms, the path you're on, and that CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.

Could you show me where the Bible says this "love the sinner, hate the sin" nonsense?

Your making things up doesn't make them so, any more than this "worship mary and saints" nonsense Pope Nazinger supports.
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Because you're Hellbound pagan unsaved trash, I bet.

Absolutely. In fact, if you fail to convert to Christianity, He will do more than say unpleasant things. He will torture you for eternity in Hell. (No "purgatory" made-up nonsense like you Catholics prefer to believe.)

Nope. So why do Catholics claim to be Christians, and why do so many Catholic priests deny raping altar boys until they are arrested or sued?

Why? We have already determined that God does not approve of lying.

I haven't seen you respond to a single allegation with proof to refute it. Your saying that something isn't true isn't proof.

We don't hate you. We pity your confusion. We want you to understand, in no uncertain terms, the path you're on, and that CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.

Could you show me where the Bible says this "love the sinner, hate the sin" nonsense?

Your making things up doesn't make them so, any more than this "worship mary and saints" nonsense Pope Nazinger supports.
The issue at hand here is not whether Baptist views or Catholic views are more correct than the other; the issue is that Catholicism is being portrayed improperly. To that end, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is perfect proof for refuting the above allegations, since it is a comprehensive guidebook to what Catholics believe. Plus, it is a reputable guide to what we believe since I doubt you could find a Catholic priest or otherwise who would deny its validity in explaining what we believe.

As far as "love the sinner, hate the sin," I never claimed that it was in the Bible. It is not. It is merely common sense, and a phrase that is used quite often among Christians of many denominations, including Baptists. It is not exclusive to Catholics, and I thought that since you are Christian, you would have heard it before.

Catholics are Christians. We believe in God.

And do you believe that God tortures people in hell? I ask this out of mere curiosity because I do not know if you mistyped, if I misunderstood, or if that really is your belief. I do not believe that God, in His loving nature tortures anybody.
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And do you believe that God tortures people in hell? I ask this out of mere curiosity because I do not know if you mistyped, if I misunderstood, or if that really is your belief. I do not believe that God, in His loving nature tortures anybody.
Consider the following. If I pay an axe murderer to kill a homeless man, am I guilty of murder? If I place a box with a spring loaded short barreled shotgun on a busy sidewalk connected to a large red button with a sign near it saying, "Don't press the button" am I any less responsable?

Hell is not something Satan usurped from the control of God, it is God who ruled the order of the Universe, and it is God who set the framework of salvation, and it is God who sits in judgement in the here after.

God loves us, but that does not change the fact he does not abide the sins of wicked men, and it does not take away from him the wrath of judgement he has promised those who defy the Word.
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The issue at hand here is not whether Baptist views or Catholic views are more correct than the other; the issue is that Catholicism is being portrayed improperly.
I have yet to see you refute any one of the points put forth; all you do is refer us to your Satanichism.

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As far as "love the sinner, hate the sin," I never claimed that it was in the Bible. It is not. It is merely common sense, and a phrase that is used quite often among Christians of many denominations, including Baptists. It is not exclusive to Catholics, and I thought that since you are Christian, you would have heard it before.
I have. It is not God's Word, it is human "common sense". Human sense is flawed. God is not. Whose word do YOU think I should take?

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Catholics are Christians. We believe in God.
So do Jews and Islamists. Are they Christians?

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And do you believe that God tortures people in hell? I ask this out of mere curiosity because I do not know if you mistyped, if I misunderstood, or if that really is your belief. I do not believe that God, in His loving nature tortures anybody.
Of course God tortures people in Hell.

God made Hell. God created EVERYTHING, remember?

Hell is where those who do not believe, those who sin, or those who believe incorrectly (like Lutherans and Methodists) will be cast for eternal torture in the Lake of Fire as punishment for their disbelief or error.

Have you ever actually READ the Bible, or do you just believe whatever Father Feelgood tells you before he passes the plate?!

Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


Satan has no power to cast anyone into Hell; that is God's exclusive right.
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I know I am not welcome here. It has also become quite clear that the "True Christians" on this site are disillusioned, cold-hearted, and closed-minded. It is lamentable that people who call themselves "True Christians" are twisting and corrupting the fundamental values of Christianity. I pray that no one who comes across this website becomes deceived by the web of lies that has been woven here; and I pray that no one else will fall into the trap of emulating the hatred that is so evident on this site. I hope that every member of this site will have their eyes and hearts opened so that they may love one another despite petty differences, never forgetting that "God is Love."

On that note, I take my leave. It is pointless to try to have a civil conversation with people who are too obstinate and self-righteous to listen. Believing one's religion is the true religion is fine; persecuting others for their religions in such a hypocritical way is not. (The hypocrisy occurs when people falsely portray other religions either through lying or ignorance, and when they treat other people disrespectfully - neither of which are Christian acts.) Religious persecution is the reason Jesus ended up crucified in the first place.

If anyone has any questions or comments for me, I may be reached at [email address deleted]. Type "religion" in the subject bar so I know your email is not spam. Do try to be civil. Anyone who is blatantly rude or disrespectful will be ignored.

God Bless

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