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How old are you Scotty?
I think the event that he is refering to happened last week. Are these the kind of soldiers you Christians are recruiting now? 6th graders? You'd think Jesus could do better than that
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"They" also teach children that their grandfather was a gorilla.
Yeah that's not what is taught. If you have been told that's what evolution is, I'm not surprised you think its wrong.

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Well that explains why you are all so ignorant. The Bible has no application in modern life. Everything you enjoy is the result of modern science.
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As I point out my beliefs on this forum, I have also pointed them out at this site as well:

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Gravity bends light, right? Ask any Physicists this Snotty, they'll confirm this. So if the earth was round the light would just bend around the earth and we would have daylight even in the middle of the night.
dont make such statements until you fully comprehend the science
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Are you retards really arguing if earth is really flat or not?

Idiots.
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dont make such statements until you fully comprehend the science

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this is just hilarious, first of all you think the world is flat and you beleive there is actually a god...............NICE!!!!!!
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Gravity bends light, right? Ask any Physicists this Snotty, they'll confirm this. So if the earth was round the light would just bend around the earth and we would have daylight even in the middle of the night.
Yes gravity bends light, but the object has to be very dense to cause light to bend, and the earth is not dense dense enough to cause light to bend in on itself to create eternal daylight.

Now if we go off the pretense that the earth is flat, how do you explain gravity? and if it's by the whole gravity is the force of attraction between two objects, then if you fell off one side of a flat earth, wouldn't you just end up on the other side?

also if the earth is flat, then why can't cartographers create a to-scale replica of the earth on a piece of paper?

I would like to know what you think.
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"Well of course the earth isn't shaped like a penis because if it was then America would be covered in hair."
Why do you hate America? Are you one of those damned US haters from the penis-shaped country of Sweden?



Or maybe one of the Godless Finns from the--well, you get the idea.

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Those people turn to a supernatrual explanation because it is not something we are currently able to explain.
So you admit that you don’t understand it, but still you think it’s OK to knock down the only explanation we have that makes sense. Illogical.


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I stated that light is composed of photons, particles of zero resting mass. I also made the point that gravity is the attraction between two masses. Explain how an object of mass, such as the Earth, attracts particles of no mass via gravity.
First of all, light is not a particle and these photons are myths. Has anyone ever seen a photon? No (if you have, then, pray enlighten us by drawing a picture). Anyway, every object attracts everything, light and particles, in exactly the same way—Einstein proved that.


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if it's by the whole gravity is the force of attraction between two objects, then if you fell off one side of a flat earth, wouldn't you just end up on the other side?
You'd wind up in Hell. In your case, you might as well jump right now.


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An arc minute is equal to one sixtieth of one degree. As we know, there are 60 seconds in a minute, so a second is one sixtieth of a minute. Therefore, an arc second is equal to one 3600th of a degree.
That means that the length of one arc second of a circle exactly equals 1/3,888,000th of the circle's diameter. Got it.


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While the sun shines in Australia, it does not shine on the the UK.
This is very simple to understand--when it is daytime in Australia it is nighttime in the UK. As you correctly pointed out, day and night (created on the first day, Genesis 1:5) existed before the Sun existed (created on the fourth day, Genesis 1:14). God made the sun to rule over the daytime, so of course you can't see it at night. You generally only see the Moon at night for the same reason (God set it to rule the night). The fact that sometimes you can see the Moon in daytime is proof that light is bent by the Earth’s gravity.


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Even though would have been impossible, not only due to the laws of thermodynamics, but largely to the fact that there was no light source to give off light, and you cannot create darkness, only remove light.
The laws of thermodynamics have been worked out and tested only in a post-creation world. To apply them to the moment of creation is ridiculous, since there is no way to test what happened at the moment of creation except to read the Book written by the only eyewitness. Anything more isn't
science, it’s mere speculation.

How do you know that world isn’t really all dark, except for the parts where God removed the dark, which are now light? I don’t have time to go into the quantum physics involved (you can read about it here), but trust me, there is no difference in the equations between a dark world with light and a light world with darkness.

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If the Earth is flat, as you mormons proclaim, why is it that when a ship sails into the horizon, it slowly disappears. First the ship itself then the mast until it is completely out of sight? If it were flat, it would disappear suddenly as it fell of the edge.
(1) We are not Mormons.

(2) Because there are waves and hills between you and the ship. The farther away the ship is, the higher the highest wave or hill in between will be, as a matter of probability. It's more likely there's a 20 foot wave--enough to block your view of the hull, but not of the mast, of most ships--between you and a ship hundreds of miles offshore than between you and a ship only one mile offshore, so you're more likely to see the hull of a nearby ship than of one that is far off. An intervening wave will block your view of the entire ship long before a ship reaches the falls at the edge of the world.

(3) It does disappear if it falls off the edge, but that's a long, long way away.

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Have you guys gone up in a plane? you can actually see the curviture of the earth.
That is an optical illusion. If you do the calculations, you’ll see that the apparent curvature of the Earth is completely explained by the tendency of the Earth’s gravity to bend light from far away more than it bends light from a nearby source.


This is all explained in Dr. Ernest Ville’s excellent fourteen volume monograph, Creation Science: Convergence of Evidence and Faith.

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I've read that the words' latin roots stem from the fact that during the time of the Roman Empire, men were required to hold their "male bits" when they gave a testimony
Ridiculous. The English language was created at the Tower of Babel, just like all other languages. God sometimes reused parts from one language to fill in blanks in another, leading to coincidences like this:


See Genesis 11:9: Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

(Confound means that there are overlaps.) Assuming your puerile story is true, which I highly doubt.

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Are you retards really arguing if earth is really flat or not?... Idiots.
Who's the bigger retard, the retard who argues an idea, or the retard who feels compelled to jump into an argument that he believes is retarded to tell everyone else how retarded they are? However, I agree with you, the debate has been settled, and the Earth is unequivocally flat.

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if the earth is flat, then why can't cartographers create a to-scale replica of the earth on a piece of paper?
Because the Jews who control the publishing industry won't let them print a realistic atlas.

The proof of a flat Earth by maps is easy enough--take roadmap map and carefully cut it into smaller pieces. When you put the pieces back together, they will fit together perfectly. If the Earth were spherical, the pieces of these small maps couldn't possibly fit together (since the map is flat, but we're assuming that the Earth is spherical). So the Earth can't be spherical.

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Are you one of these hippies who think the Bible is mostly symbolic? If that is so, then how do you judge which verses are "metaphors" and which ones are literal?
A good question, which nobody seems to have bothered to answer, because they can’t.
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So, a couple of questions, i know answers may be repeated, but please answer them

if the earth is flat, where is the end of the earth?

if it's at the horizon then what if there is land up to the point of the horizon?

if there is a set edge of the world, do you know where it is and how much room around the known world does it give?

i just need some clarification.
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So, a couple of questions, i know answers may be repeated, but please answer them

if the earth is flat, where is the end of the earth?

if it's at the horizon then what if there is land up to the point of the horizon?

if there is a set edge of the world, do you know where it is and how much room around the known world does it give?

i just need some clarification.
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A moderator had changed my post, my intention was not biblegateway.com. It was flatearthsociety.com
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so upon reading about the flat earth theory, i would like to pose another question to the Pastors of the Landover Baptist Chruch. are these beliefs an accurate representation of your own? or do your's differ in some respects?
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thank you LingBling for the clarification.
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So you admit that you don’t understand it, but still you think it’s OK to knock down the only explanation we have that makes sense. Illogical.
But your explanation doesn't make sense. It is more logical to presume that the universe has always existed rather than some magic, supernatural force outside space and time suddenly decided to create it.

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First of all, light is not a particle and these photons are myths. Has anyone ever seen a photon? No (if you have, then, pray enlighten us by drawing a picture). Anyway, every object attracts everything, light and particles, in exactly the same way—Einstein proved that.
I'll do better than that, I'll show you a picture


This is a picture of photons being emitted in a coherent beam from a laser.

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This is very simple to understand--when it is daytime in Australia it is nighttime in the UK. As you correctly pointed out, day and night (created on the first day, Genesis 1:5) existed before the Sun existed (created on the fourth day, Genesis 1:14). God made the sun to rule over the daytime, so of course you can't see it at night. You generally only see the Moon at night for the same reason (God set it to rule the night). The fact that sometimes you can see the Moon in daytime is proof that light is bent by the Earth’s gravity.

The fact that the moon is sometimes visible duing the day is yet more evidence of an imperfect design. If God set the moon to rule over the night, why would he allow light to bend so that the moon could be seen during the day?

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science, it’s mere speculation.

The laws of thermodynamics suggest that there is in fact no point of creation and that the universe has always existed. Before you try and say that this idea is stupid, do not forget that you believe God has always existed.

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How do you know that world isn’t really all dark, except for the parts where God removed the dark, which are now light?
When I hook a lightbulb up to an electrical circuit and switch the circuit on, provided there are no faults in the circuit and there is an adequate power source connected, the light bulb will light up. That is not God creating light, that is the light bulb creating light. When I remove the power source, the light will turn off.
If I build a brick house with no windows and go inside, it will be dark. When I open the door, and it is light outside, light will come in. Nothing has changed except the door's position. God did not change it, I did.
It is more logical just to accept that the sun casts light. The sun is made of gas going through continous reactions. We can observe gas going through a reaction and producing light by looking at fire. Can we look at God producing light? Can we go up to heaven and find god playing with his giant flashlight? Of course not.



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(2) Because there are waves and hills between you and the ship. The farther away the ship is, the higher the highest wave or hill in between will be, as a matter of probability. It's more likely there's a 20 foot wave--enough to block your view of the hull, but not of the mast, of most ships--between you and a ship hundreds of miles offshore than between you and a ship only one mile offshore, so you're more likely to see the hull of a nearby ship than of one that is far off. An intervening wave will block your view of the entire ship long before a ship reaches the falls at the edge of the world.

(3) It does disappear if it falls off the edge, but that's a long, long way away.

That is an optical illusion. If you do the calculations, you’ll see that the apparent curvature of the Earth is completely explained by the tendency of the Earth’s gravity to bend light from far away more than it bends light from a nearby source.


Where exactly is the edge of the world? Has anyone ever seen it? Do you know anyone who has fallen over the edge?
I have seen it. In a Disney film.

How can we prove the Earth is round? Simple logic, maths and of course going into space and actually looking at it. When Mars comes enough close to Earth, we are able to see it with the naked eye and it is round. Mars is a planet, just as Earth is. When you look through a telescope, you can see the other planets, which are also round. You can claim optical illusions all you want, but we can observe with our own eyes that light simply does not bend enough to create an illusion of that magnitude.


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If the Earth were spherical, the pieces of these small maps couldn't possibly fit together (since the map is flat, but we're assuming that the Earth is spherical). So the Earth can't be spherical.

Well if I cut up a piece of paper then it will all fit back together and be flat too. A roadmap is just like the net of a cube. Put it together and it becomes a cube, but unravel it and it looks 2D.
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This is a picture of photons being emitted in a coherent beam from a laser.
No, that's just a goth dancing in a techno club. We weren't born yesterday, you know!
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Well if I cut up a piece of paper then it will all fit back together and be flat too. A roadmap is just like the net of a cube. Put it together and it becomes a cube, but unravel it and it looks 2D.

So you're saying the earth is a cube now?
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Default Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

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No, that's just a goth dancing in a techno club. We weren't born yesterday, you know!
That's a very clever way of looking at that picture .
But no, its a member of the US army doing an experiment. you know the UD army right? The ones that travelled to the otherside of the world to fight in the middle-east. Oh wait, they should have fallen over the edge. My bad.

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So you're saying the earth is a cube now?
It was an analogy. You know what an analogy is right? If not, look it up.
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