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Dear JustAnotherFatGay

No this is a forum for Christians. You, however, are clearly not and so you would appear to be the troll around here.

Why are you here? Are you an atheist or a queer trying to lure us from the one true path to salvation? If you are - bad luck we have already worked you out..

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this is a troll forum right? you cannot be serious with those comments.
I'm dead serious in everything I say here. Jesus is too important to me to be fooling around. I ask because, like I said in the OP, there is an article that shares how to persuade an atheist to convert to Christianity. Within the article the suggestion is made:

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I'm dead serious in everything I say here. Jesus is too important to me to be fooling around. I ask because, like I said in the OP, there is an article that shares how to persuade an atheist to convert to Christianity. Within the article the suggestion is made:



So my question is, what are those beliefs? Are there any?
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I am not an Atheist, and for someone to call themselves an Atheist they must be very well educated to have a basis as to why deny God. Simply saying that "such and such could not happen" and that "science proves it" is NOT being educated. By educated i mean someone who has studied the Bible, and not just the Christian belief, but also Islam, Budhism, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism etc. and has come to the conclusion that God cannot exist. The kids you see in schools and all over calling themselves Atheist are just actually following a trend and have not really denied God himself, more like they are just fitting in the group. Some quotes from philosophers and others (please do not see this as me trying to prove something, this is why some people may actually not believe in God):

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Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Marie: Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.

Unknown: "If god doesn't like the way I live, Let him tell me, not you."

Napoleon Bonaparte: Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet

Giulian Buzila: History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of god.

Justin Brown: An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanishe.

Justin Brown: If the Bible is mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust it to tell us where we're going?


Now to answer your question. It is no different to be Atheist to anyone else, after all the human body functions the same in every person with only slight differences. It is not incredibly lonely either in any way. Think about it this way: you are likely to still fall in love, still have children, and still able to make friends. Its the same among Christians. If you are devout and so is another person is too then you are likely to form a bond and become close as friends. The people above are just making a mockery of themselves posting such stupid things (which is why i asked if they were trolling). Atheists still wake up and have a purpose in life just like a Christian, although that purpose maybe different to yours. Not everyone who is Atheist is a drug user and a sinner as they say, then again not every Christian is perfect. I mean take a look at the Churches in Belgium and what they were doing to the alter boys, not just abuse but also chemical castration and so on.

If we continue (and i am not trying to infringe your belief and please forgive me if i am, i am sincerely just trying to open/explain to you another way others may take) then after lots of research it comes down that the Bible is essentially a code of morality. While i agree in the old days this would have been needed as people were uneducated and had no morality where they would think that stealing was ok, and killing was ok, and adultery was ok, however we now live in modern times and the majority of people know that exploiting and killing and so on is wrong and they should not do it. So what i am trying to say that Atheists still have morals and can still be good people, just they see a different purpose, such as improving the world and continuing life and evolution, rather than having a purpose to live by God and then spend eternity in Heaven.

Long winded i know, please do not take my words as offensive, and if you do i appologise sincerely. If you wish to continue the discussion then shoot any question my way.

Offcourse a lot of it is all about your childhood and upbringing

Noah: I do not need your judgment passed on me, I am capable of thinking for myself without you. And do not use "we" to pass judgment on anyone since you do not speak for everyone but only for yourself. Also perhaps your intuition switch was broken to pass such judgment on the 1st possible opportunity. In simple words: I do NOT have time for people like you, that is all.
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this is a troll forum right? you cannot be serious with those comments.
The thread topic is atheism, not Landover Baptist, let's get this back on topic please.
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I happen to be an atheist, and i can tell you honestly its fine.
A perfect example, Sister Mary.

He thinks "it's fine".

Not "it's wonderful", not "it's paradise", but "it's fine".

Know who else thought life was "fine"? The Hawaiians!

The lived on a peaceful island, where they could snag fish from the ocean and fruit from trees. Rarely was weather extreme. If a big storm blew their thatched hut down, nobody really got hurt and it took a couple of days to rebuild.

They could just play all day long, stopping only to eat and have sex.

Life was "fine".

And every single one of them was destined for an eternity in Hell.

Fast forward a couple of hundred years; American missionaries arrive and teach them about Jesus. Then, Americans decide to make Hawaii a state. Look at it now!


Those ridiculous thatched villages, prone to destruction by any sizable storm, have been replaced by condominium towers and resorts. Roads are built. Jobs are created for the formerly-destitute Hawaiians, who are finally able to move away from the beach and live in nice tenements with running water and electricity!



Well, some have running water and electricity.

They can work forty to fifty hours a week for minimum wage, and have SPAM brought in from the mainland to eat! And sometimes they are allowed to go to the beach; I understand they get day passes if they have good work attendance.

Best of all, they can contribute part of their earnings to God's Work, and they can go to Heaven now.

Isn't that better than "fine"?

The lives of atheists are "fine", like native Hawaiians before America. The lives of Christians? "Fabulous!" Just like Hawaiians thanks to America.
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A perfect example, Sister Mary.

He thinks "it's fine".

Not "it's wonderful", not "it's paradise", but "it's fine".

Know who else thought life was "fine"? The Hawaiians!

The lived on a peaceful island, where they could snag fish from the ocean and fruit from trees. Rarely was weather extreme. If a big storm blew their thatched hut down, nobody really got hurt and it took a couple of days to rebuild.

They could just play all day long, stopping only to eat and have sex.

Life was "fine".

And every single one of them was destined for an eternity in Hell.

Fast forward a couple of hundred years; American missionaries arrive and teach them about Jesus. Then, Americans decide to make Hawaii a state. Look at it now!


Those ridiculous thatched villages, prone to destruction by any sizable storm, have been replaced by condominium towers and resorts. Roads are built. Jobs are created for the formerly-destitute Hawaiians, who are finally able to move away from the beach and live in nice tenements with running water and electricity!



Well, some have running water and electricity.

They can work forty to fifty hours a week for minimum wage, and have SPAM brought in from the mainland to eat! And sometimes they are allowed to go to the beach; I understand they get day passes if they have good work attendance.

Best of all, they can contribute part of their earnings to God's Work, and they can go to Heaven now.

Isn't that better than "fine"?

The lives of atheists are "fine", like native Hawaiians before America. The lives of Christians? "Fabulous!" Just like Hawaiians thanks to America.

Why don't you post the Images from African countries where Christianity has destroyed their lives? Why did they have a normal life until The Colonizing powers turned up and introduced disease, poverty, slavery so on?
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Why don't you post the Images from African countries where Christianity has destroyed their lives? Why did they have a normal life until The Colonizing powers turned up and introduced disease, poverty, slavery so on?
Please learn that which claim to know.

"Slavery existed in Africa well before the Atlantic slave trade and even before Islamic slave trade."
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_In_Africa

"Traditional African practices of slavery were altered to some extent beginning in the 7th century by two non-African groups of slave traders: Arab Muslims and Europeans."
fromhttp://autocww.colorado.edu/~blackmo...yInAfrica.html

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What's wrong with slavery?
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as am atheist, i don't believe in god because it's illogical to me, and it's more like magic. i feel that there are so many religions out there, any one of them could be right if i had chosen to believe there was a god, and i don't believe christianity is totally original in this matter. i value others' happiness above my own and i seek to preserve the well being of those who deserve it. and that would be anyone who is morally correct, including anyone of any religion, race, or sex. i don't judge. what makes me happy? happiness of myself and others, and morality. these are the most important things in my life. some say that atheism is completely based upon sexual desire and the will for freedom, but i look at nobody with lust. i wait for love. and i make sure that my freedoms, apart from any biblical restrictions, don't get in the way of anyone's happiness, well being, or future choices in life (that being my reference to moral influence). i hope this answers your question
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as am atheist, i don't believe in god because it's illogical to me, and it's more like magic. i feel that there are so many religions out there, any one of them could be right if i had chosen to believe there was a god, and i don't believe christianity is totally original in this matter. i value others' happiness above my own and i seek to preserve the well being of those who deserve it. and that would be anyone who is morally correct, including anyone of any religion, race, or sex. i don't judge. what makes me happy? happiness of myself and others, and morality. these are the most important things in my life. some say that atheism is completely based upon sexual desire and the will for freedom, but i look at nobody with lust. i wait for love. and i make sure that my freedoms, apart from any biblical restrictions, don't get in the way of anyone's happiness, well being, or future choices in life (that being my reference to moral influence). i hope this answers your question
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and not all atheists are the same. without religion, we as individuals are free to go my our own moral codes. there are atheists who rob stores and kill people, and there are those who contribute to good causes and similar things.
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Please learn that which claim to know.

"Slavery existed in Africa well before the Atlantic slave trade and even before Islamic slave trade."
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_In_Africa

"Traditional African practices of slavery were altered to some extent beginning in the 7th century by two non-African groups of slave traders: Arab Muslims and Europeans."
fromhttp://autocww.colorado.edu/~blackmo...yInAfrica.html

See what TWO MINUTES ON GOOGLE can teach you?
Note the word: COUNTRIES.

So before you go down condescending on me what Google can do actually read the post carefully.

In any case that does not invalidate my point, since slavery happened in its greatest during the European Colonization of Africa.
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...i value others' happiness above my own...
You're either a saint or a liar, and saints don't exist.

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... and i seek to preserve the well being of those who deserve it...
And how do you determine who "deserves it", WITHOUT judging?

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ie. matches your own, personal morals. Or are you claiming that there is such a thing as absolute morality?

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By giving a whole bunch of meaningless, feel-good, New Age vacuous crap?

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What's wrong with slavery?
So you think Slavery is OK? Lets establish this 1st.
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...In any case that does not invalidate my point, since slavery happened in its greatest during the European Colonization of Africa.
No, your point is right here:

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...Why did they have a normal life until The Colonizing powers turned up and introduced disease, poverty, slavery so on?
And as you also STATED that disease and poverty DID NOT EXIST in Africa until those nasty Europeans showed up, until you prove those points you have no credibility.
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Note the word: COUNTRIES.

So before you go down condescending on me what Google can do actually read the post carefully.

In any case that does not invalidate my point, since slavery happened in its greatest during the European Colonization of Africa.
Dear friend:

The "countries" didn't exist before the European colonization.

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I am not an Atheist...
Thank you Fat Guy, for taking the time to answer my question. I appreciate it. I have a few follow-up questions if you don't mind.



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and for someone to call themselves an Atheist they must be very well educated to have a basis as to why deny God. Simply saying that "such and such could not happen" and that "science proves it" is NOT being educated. By educated i mean someone who has studied the Bible, and not just the Christian belief, but also Islam, Budhism, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism etc. and has come to the conclusion that God cannot exist.
You're saying a true atheist would have studied thoroughly and found it impossible to disprove the existence of God?

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The kids you see in schools and all over calling themselves Atheist are just actually following a trend and have not really denied God himself, more like they are just fitting in the group.
If they have not denied God, but have not accepted Jesus as their LORD and Master, is there any functional difference? They'll go straight to hell the moment after they take their last breath anyway, for the punishment of having been born human and therefore depraved and full of horrendous sin. I mean, what's the difference if they don't actively try to disprove God's existence but don't accept God's Grace either?

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Some quotes from philosophers and others (please do not see this as me trying to prove something, this is why some people may actually not believe in God):

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Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Marie: Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.

Unknown: "If god doesn't like the way I live, Let him tell me, not you."

Napoleon Bonaparte: Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet

Giulian Buzila: History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of god.

Justin Brown: An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanishe.

Justin Brown: If the Bible is mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust it to tell us where we're going?
Very interesting quotes. They make me sad because they miss the point of the sacrificial gift of Jesus' crucifixion. Surely in their research they came across the historical event of Christ's death and resurrection. How can anyone walk away from that?

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Now to answer your question. It is no different to be Atheist to anyone else, after all the human body functions the same in every person with only slight differences. It is not incredibly lonely either in any way. Think about it this way: you are likely to still fall in love, still have children, and still able to make friends.
You make it sound like there's no reason not to be an atheist.



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Atheists still wake up and have a purpose in life just like a Christian, although that purpose maybe different to yours. Not everyone who is Atheist is a drug user and a sinner as they say, then again not every Christian is perfect. I mean take a look at the Churches in Belgium and what they were doing to the alter boys, not just abuse but also chemical castration and so on.
The chemical castration of which you speak was done by catholics and they are not Christian. No True Christian™ behaves in a depraved way. (Matthew 7:16)

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If we continue (and i am not trying to infringe your belief and please forgive me if i am, i am sincerely just trying to open/explain to you another way others may take) then after lots of research it comes down that the Bible is essentially a code of morality.
You say you are not an atheist, but then deny the Holy Word of God as having been divinely inspired and infallible in every way! It certainly explains why you provided so many quotes that make Christianity sound ignorant and foolish.



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So what i am trying to say that Atheists still have morals and can still be good people
How? How can someone who denies the Holy Spirit know Truth? "I am the way and the truth," Jesus said (John 14:6) One who denies Jesus denies truth, they have nothing left to believe but random information, never knowing if it is a truth or a lie.

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Offcourse a lot of it is all about your childhood and upbringing
I was raised in a catholic family, taught cannibalism and to worship Mary and still I found my LORD and Master. God makes Himself known (Psalm 9:16) and yet even you have missed His message. You may say you're not an atheist, but you are no different than one. You believe the same things they believe, you deny the same things they deny. Why bother calling yourself Christian at all?

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i hope this answers your question
Not really. As you don't value the wisdom of the LORD, your values are already screwed up, so how would you decide what to value and what not to care about? Is it random? Do you wake up one morning and decide to care about the happiness of somebody new each day? What do you consider bringing happiness to someone? Like, to an atheist, is not raping someone considered a kindness or is that considered "fun" and therefor kind to poke random people? Do you love your mother? Do you know what love is?
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The lives of atheists are "fine", like native Hawaiians before America. The lives of Christians? "Fabulous!" Just like Hawaiians thanks to America.
A most interesting and insightful post! How can anyone deny the superior value of Christianity's influence on a society?


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