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Old 01-29-2013, 12:33 AM
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The amount of crops produced isn't the problem, it's the distribution of the crops produced.

I am not suggesting that everyone turn to producing only organic food, I just don't see why you all don't like organic food, when it does not contradict the Bible.

Obviously, for starving children, it is better to have food with some pesticides and chemicals than none at all. However, using dangerous chemicals would not be beneficial in the long run for anyone, so it's probably best to use the least dangerous ones possible or none at all.
Actually, production is the problem. Organic farming doesn't even produce 1/2 of the bushels/acre that modern farming does. But hey, don't tear down the forests to make more farmland either.

Well DDT was pretty much harmless to us humans, but OOOOHHHHHH THINK OF THE POOR FALCON!!!! THEIR EGGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR FOOD AND HEALTH.

BTW, where did you get the idea that "organic"= non-harmful? DEET is less of a carcinogen than Citronella, but which one got banned for "not being natural"?

Here you go, straight out of a LIEBRAL source. Now why didn't this make it into the media?

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html
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So what does organic mean? It means that these pesticides, if used, must be derived from natural sources, not synthetically manufactured

When you test synthetic chemicals for their ability to cause cancer, you find that about half of them are carcinogenic.

But when the studies were done [on organic pesticides], the results were somewhat shocking: you find that about half of the natural chemicals studied are carcinogenic as well.
And you wonder why I turned my back on the scientific world?
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Obviously, for starving children, it is better to have food with some pesticides and chemicals than none at all. However, using dangerous chemicals would not be beneficial in the long run for anyone, so it's probably best to use the least dangerous ones possible or none at all.
You make it sound like these pesticides are loaded with lead or mercury or something.
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Actually, production is the problem. Organic farming doesn't even produce 1/2 of the bushels/acre that modern farming does. But hey, don't tear down the forests to make more farmland either.
I meant that, at the moment, the reason for starving children isn't production.

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Well DDT was pretty much harmless to us humans, but OOOOHHHHHH THINK OF THE POOR FALCON!!!! THEIR EGGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR FOOD AND HEALTH.
Never said that, but no, DDT isn't pretty much harmless. And no, I do not want to get into an argument about "credible" sources, but the Bible doesn't state anything about DDT either.

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BTW, where did you get the idea that "organic"= non-harmful? DEET is less of a carcinogen than Citronella, but which one got banned for "not being natural"?
DEET was banned?

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Here you go, straight out of a LIEBRAL source. Now why didn't this make it into the media?

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html
Interesting article, they spelled pesticides wrong.. not the point. Anyways, organic food has been proven to be healthier than food enhanced with synthetic chemicals(depends on the chemical). It is also healthier for humans in the long run.

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I don't think you had enough information or looked deeply enough into certain subjects. Or viewed them from as many angles as possible.
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You don't have the information, but you have enough "proof" that organic is healthier.

This "having opinions on things you know nothing about" is a pretty big thing in your life, isn't it. Pesticides, organics, the Bible...

And yes, some countries are moving to ban DEET, others have strictly regulated it. I send "care" packages of the good stuff to Canadian friends all the time.
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You don't have the information, but you have enough "proof" that organic is healthier.
Yes, I do, proof that would be useless to you because you believe the Bible is the only proof.

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This "having opinions on things you know nothing about" is a pretty big thing in your life, isn't it. Pesticides, organics, the Bible...
I think this applies to True Christians much more, as shown by your understanding of evolution, scientific theories, and organic food, among other subjects.
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The amount of crops produced isn't the problem, it's the distribution of the crops produced.

I am not suggesting that everyone turn to producing only organic food, I just don't see why you all don't like organic food, when it does not contradict the Bible.

Obviously, for starving children, it is better to have food with some pesticides and chemicals than none at all. However, using dangerous chemicals would not be beneficial in the long run for anyone, so it's probably best to use the least dangerous ones possible or none at all.
Well thank you for pontificating on that utterly useless bit of nonsense.

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Pardon for my intrusion, my Father buys cattle every season and near winter he butchers at least 1 and sells the rest for a few hundred profit. He keeps them away from pesticides and such, and they end up tasting great! It's as well organic, and I believe beef isn't vegetarian.
Plus with the vegetables and such they taste better grown the "organic" way as well. My father heads out of town in the summer to get some fresh corn. And our neighbors grow blackberries and peaches that cross the property line, but we bargained with the deal that whats on our side we get. Those as well taste mighty fine.
You might want to consider growing and raising your own food. Not for environmental reasons though, your tastebuds might enjoy it. God gave us animals to do what we wish, and I suggest getting a large green field and raising some cattle for some cooking
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I have had an extremely bad skin reaction to pesticides- of course I still eat food that has been sprayed, I mean it's virtually impossible not to...

But a few years back we sprayed our garden with pesticides, and I came down with a severe reaction that actually put me in the hospital.

My point is, I don't think they are entirely safe by any standpoint. They're impossible to avoid in such a fast paced, highly populated world... I mean people need to eat, and fast... But it is not fair to say that we should not have the option of being able to eat naturally grown, organic foods. There should always be the option, just in case. Some people may be more prone to these allergies than myself, even. Everybody's gotta eat!

Pretty sure Jesus said that word for word- "Everybody's gotta eat!"- right?
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Pretty sure Jesus said that word for word- "Everybody's gotta eat!"- right?
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Pretty sure Jesus said that word for word- "Everybody's gotta eat!"- right?
Wrong Sick, Jesus had a little provision attached to that little pronouncement of yours:

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I have had an extremely bad skin reaction to pesticides- of course I still eat food that has been sprayed, I mean it's virtually impossible not to...

But a few years back we sprayed our garden with pesticides, and I came down with a severe reaction that actually put me in the hospital.

My point is, I don't think they are entirely safe by any standpoint.
Your post so interested me I asked one of our Ph D's at Landover University about it.

He said in order to make a claim like this, you need to control the other variables affecting you. Specifically, he said, you need to know if God decided some punishment was due you, what was going on in your personal and prayer life. Look there, instead of at some phony science explanation.
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Pardon for my intrusion, my Father buys cattle every season and near winter he butchers at least 1 and sells the rest for a few hundred profit. He keeps them away from pesticides and such, and they end up tasting great! It's as well organic, and I believe beef isn't vegetarian.
Plus with the vegetables and such they taste better grown the "organic" way as well. My father heads out of town in the summer to get some fresh corn. And our neighbors grow blackberries and peaches that cross the property line, but we bargained with the deal that whats on our side we get. Those as well taste mighty fine.
You might want to consider growing and raising your own food. Not for environmental reasons though, your tastebuds might enjoy it. God gave us animals to do what we wish, and I suggest getting a large green field and raising some cattle for some cooking
You're mistaking fresh food for organic food. Fresh food that has been fertilized not only tastes just as delicious, but it lasts longer in the supermarket.
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You're mistaking fresh food for organic food. Fresh food that has been fertilized not only tastes just as delicious, but it lasts longer in the supermarket.
Amen Brother.

I do find it funny that these "all natural" people are so against hunting. After all, how much more natural can you get?
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You're mistaking fresh food for organic food. Fresh food that has been fertilized not only tastes just as delicious, but it lasts longer in the supermarket.
I may have made that mistake with the fruits, although the beef is for a fact 100% organic. I asked my father to be sure.
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I may have made that mistake with the fruits, although the beef is for a fact 100% organic. I asked my father to be sure.
Brother King's point was that "fresh food" tastes better, not "organic food".

Get organic stuff from the grocery store and tell me how much better an organic "green picked" tomato is compared to a regular "green picked" tomato. A vine ripened tomato is going to taste better than either one, except the organic vine ripened one comes with a little extra protein...
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You're mistaking fresh food for organic food. Fresh food that has been fertilized not only tastes just as delicious, but it lasts longer in the supermarket.
That's because of preservatives, not fertilizer.

Also, does eating better tasting food help humans dominate the world?
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Also, does eating better tasting food help humans dominate the world?
Dear, I don't know where you're getting these silly ideas from, but consider the relative health of United States of America, who are the undisputed leader of the Free World, and unique in God's Blessing, with countries like Somalia, where farmers don't have fertilizer or pesticides or anything of value, and pick nuts and seeds and bugs off the ground to survive, just like wild turkeys.

I don't know why you keep trying to support things that lead people into poverty.
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Dear, I don't know where you're getting these silly ideas from, but consider the relative health of United States of America, who are the undisputed leader of the Free World, and unique in God's Blessing, with countries like Somalia, where farmers don't have fertilizer or pesticides or anything of value, and pick nuts and seeds and bugs off the ground to survive, just like wild turkeys.

I don't know why you keep trying to support things that lead people into poverty.
..Organic food leads people to poverty?
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I don't think I said that. A healthy diet feeds the mind as well as the body. A healthy diet is obviously found in the United States, as evidenced by the fact that Americans are the most industrious peoples in the world. Americans are also not afraid of pesticides like free-loading hippies are. Have you ever seen a healthy, productive hippy? Exactly.

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How many people who eat organic are left-wing?
How many left-wing you know who are rich (Other than your friend Obama)?
I thought this was common sense, but maybe not.
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