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I never thought I’d see the day when creationist crusader Ray Comfort embraced evolution – and on a timescale not even the most optimistic evolutionist would accept. I was deeply disappointed when I read the following post on his Facebook page.

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Cosmo Vern said: “I'd like to point out, in addition to my earlier reply, that only one of two scenarios could have allowed 3.6 million animals (1.8 million species, in pairs) and 8 humans to fit on the ark. 1. God shrank the animals so they'd all fit. 2. Noah was a Time Lord and the ark was a TARDIS.”

Ray Answers: There’s one more scenario you haven't considered. See if you can spot the repetition of a particular word that skeptics dislike: “Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive” (Genesis 6:20). That’s right, it’s the dreaded word “kind”—that archaic word that the dictionary defines as “a class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character, or classified together because they have traits in common.” It’s a despised word because it means God didn’t have to get today’s approximately 6.5 million species to fit onto the ark. It means Noah needed only one pair for the canine kind—from which would come all the species of dog, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane—and one pair for the feline kind—from which would come the domesticated cat and the tiger, etc. So now we are talking just thousands of animals, not millions. And because these animals need not have been fully grown (averaging the size of a sheep), it becomes possible.

Another consideration is the size of the ark. It wasn't the little rubber-ducky-bobbing-boat portrayed in kid’s cartoons. It was a massive three-level ship, the size of one and a half football fields.
On the surface this may seem like a good argument to use against global-Flood deniers. But if we take a closer look at what Ray is saying, we realise just how ridiculous it is.

According to Ray, domesticated cats and great cats are descended from a pair of felines that went aboard the Ark. We know Noah’s Flood happened around 2500 BC. Lions were around in Jacob’s time (Gen 49:9), about 1900 BC, so if Ray’s theory is true, it took only 600 years for lions to evolve from the original feline pair. Leopards had become a distinct species by Jeremiah’s time (Jer 13:23), about 600 BC, so following the same reasoning, it took leopards 1900 years at most to evolve from the original feline pair.

The problem with this is that not even evolutionists would accept this much evolution on such a short timescale. According to evolutionists, it took 10-15 million years for all species of cat we have today to evolve from the original felid. If Ray’s claim were true, we should be able to see evolution happening before our very eyes.

We also know that information cannot be added to the genome. The original felines must have contained all the genetic information necessary to produce all traits in all species of cat. So what did the original felines look like? Were they spotted like leopards? Striped like tigers? Tan like lions? Black like pumas? Did they have sabre teeth? Did they have manes? Were they fast like cheetahs? Creation scientists tell us that change can only occur through the loss of genetic information. So did pumas evolve because they lost the genes for spots and stripes? Did cheetahs evolve because they lost the genes that were slowing the other species of cat down? And why don’t we see any evidence of this evolution in the fossil record? Where are the missing links? Show me a catger!

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Ray makes a big deal about kinds in his video Evolution vs God. He claims that variation within a kind is microevolution, but there is nothing micro about the evolution of lions, tigers, leopards, cheetahs, pumas, jaguars, wildcats and domesticated cats from a single pair of felines. In order to make the Flood account seem more credible to unbelievers, Ray embraces evolution on steroids.

We may never know why God told Noah to build the Ark too small to fit all the animals, but we do know God is all-powerful (Rev 19:6). Nothing is impossible for Him. Surely, if He wanted all the animals to fit, He would have found a way to make them fit. When people try to demythologise Scripture, they minimise God’s power and glory.
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Dr. Pim, this is truly a timely post. My children brought up at the dinner table last night the logistics of fitting all of the animals on the Ark, how to feed them, where all of the poop goes, fresh water, etc. I said it's all explained right there in Genesis chapters 6 through 9, so why don't you guys go read those chapters after we eat.

They came back a little while later and they had the same concerns: not enough room, drinking water, ventilation, etc. So I said, hey, go back and re-read Genesis chapters 6 through 9, it is all covered in there.

So they came back a little while later and I asked them does it make sense now? And they all said it does!



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I've never really understood why anyone takes much notice of Ray Comfort, who is, let's face it, a Joo from Godless New Zilland.

He is just plain wrong about the species business, obviously. But he's right about the size of the ark. The Dutch creationist Johan Huibers went to the trouble of building a full-sized replica, according to God's instructions as set out in the KJV, which shows exactly how all the animals would fit. It took him 20 years, but in the end he got there. "If you have faith, anything is possible," he said.




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Why? i will tell you why; because like this Ray Comfort poser they want Christ our Savior to stick their cocks in His mouth and suck them off in front of the entire human race!!!

But Ray Comfort and his neo-evolutionist crowd better watch out. Like with the Romans Christ always gets the last laugh, it might take Jesus over three hundred years but He wins in the end.
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My sons have asked about the logistics as well, and after a sharp cuff to the back of the head for questioning God, I simply tell them that spacetime is God's plaything. God could put the universe in a grain of sand if it pleases Him. I tell my boys, read it, believe it and move on.

I know God brought two of every kind (seven for the clean beasts) and suspended the problem of interbreeding for Noah's family and the animals, miraculously dispersed them as needed after the flood, etc.

To all those doubters and over-thinkers out there, I always say:

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But Iesus beheld them, and said vnto them, With men this is vnpossible, but with God al things are possible.
So, whenever you have doubts that God could pull something off that just seems downright ludicrous, recite this verse.
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I love brother Ray, but I can't sign on to his unbiblical account of the Flood. The Genesis account is clear on this point: God created every living creature before the flood:
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:21

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25

Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. Genesis 6:20

They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. Genesis 7:14

Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark. Genesis 8:19
I'm not saying that I know how God achieved this miracle, but the most logical explanation is that God set up an in-vitro fertilization facility on the Ark, and that most of the animals on the Ark were stored as frozen embryos. Then Noah revived them two by two and released them. Of course, some of them Noah probably put on smaller boats so they could reach Australia, the Americas, various islands, etc.
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