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Old 11-24-2013, 08:32 AM
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God can't be locked between paper and ink, he's in every person heart, he gave us a conscience to know the difference between what's wrong and what's right, and if you're making another person suffer, the you must know that's not right thanks to your conscience. God gave us free will, a conscience and a heart, we mustn't waste them
Conditioning/chastising a child is what God wants of us. He even tells us that if He loves us He will chastise us:

Hebrews 12:6-8

6 For whome the Lord loueth hee chasteneth, and scourgeth euery sonne whom he receiueth.
7 If yee endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sonnes: for what sonne is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sonnes.

He even tells us that if we are not chastised then we are nothing more than bastards.

It's pretty obvious that you have not been properly chastised by your parents. But this is not your fault it's thiers because they did not follow the commandments of God, thus making them damned to an eternity of hellfire and you little more than a lowly bastard that is unable to enter The House of The Lord:

Deuteronomy 23:2

A bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord: euen to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord

How does that sit in your craw?
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I've been thinking about ways that my parents used to torture me, like making me wear a sweater during winter or dropping me off in front of school in their Studebaker.
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Crankyoldman doesn't wan't us to torture our children, he only wants to help us save them from the fires of hell. And if the torture is the only way, so be it. Are you that blind and twistedly evil, man? Do you want to see our children burn in hell?
It was repeatedly stated that man was given free will.
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You have got free will, you can do whatever you want. Which means if you use torture on your children, that is what you want to do. You claim that CrankyOldMan sees torture as a means to an end (oh, I can read, I assure you, I just question his honesty in this respect). That doesn't change anything. Nobody is forcing him to torment his children, to beat them, to put them out in the cold naked, to humiliate them, to let them starve. It his way of parenting, which he has chosen on his own, as the decent one, because an ancient book tells him to. You cannot put responsibility on an ancient book. CrankyOldMan came up with very well thought out ideas which would sure cause your children agony. The careful design of the different means suggest that he is well aware of what he does. Torturing your children is an atrocity and you cannot make an ancient book responsible for your actions. By that means, if CrankyOldMan is serious about this, and he seems to be, he is - what words did you use?
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You have got free will, you can do whatever you want. Which means if you use torture on your children, that is what you want to do.
While the Christian must always battle against carnal weaknesses, such as empathy, none of us wants our children to go to hell. So if it's a choice between hell and torture, then yes, we want to use torture on our children.

Prov 23:13-14 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
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It was repeatedly stated that man was given free will. You have got free will, you can do whatever you want. Which means if you use torture on your children, that is what you want to do. You claim that CrankyOldMan sees torture as a means to an end (oh, I can read, I assure you, I just question his honesty in this respect). That doesn't change anything. Nobody is forcing him to torment his children, to beat them, to put them out in the cold naked, to humiliate them, to let them starve. It his way of parenting, which he has chosen on his own, as the decent one, because an ancient book tells him to. You cannot put responsibility on an ancient book. CrankyOldMan came up with very well thought out ideas which would sure cause your children agony. The careful design of the different means suggest that he is well aware of what he does. Torturing your children is an atrocity and you cannot make an ancient book responsible for your actions. By that means, if CrankyOldMan is serious about this, and he seems to be, he is - what words did you use?
As usual the God-mocker takes the word torture out of context. As I stated earlier this is called conditioning. Without conditioning a child will grow up with no morals. It is never too early to start conditioning of the child. I began at three weeks with my eldest son and he is now a strapping lad of 6'6" that is an absolute pleasure to spend time with. He tells me himself that he is glad to have been raised in a Godly manner.
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It was repeatedly stated that man was given free will. You have got free will, you can do whatever you want. Which means if you use torture on your children, that is what you want to do. *snip*
No: it means you have used your free will to do what God commands.

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It his way of parenting, which he has chosen on his own
You are mistaken. I did not choose this way of parenting. I chose to obey God and His Holy Bible. My parenting is just what God wants me to do! So if you disagree you will have to take it up with God, not with me.

What I said before:
The Holy Bible is crystal clear on this subject: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell" (Proverbs 23:13-14). False Christians will try to twist the Bible by saying you should ignore parts of the Bible or not take them literally. Those false Christians are lying! James 2:10 teaches us we have to obey the entire Bible. Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:18-19 teach us we are not allowed to alter the Bible in any way. So there is no way around this, torture is the only way we can keep our children out of Hell!
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For supposedly being so logical, these atheists do not seem to understand math very well. Hell is an unending eternity of suffering and torture. Any form of pain on Earth what so ever to avoid going to Hell is therefore justified, no matter how terrible and no matter how lengthy.

If you have to be tortured for 50 years, and it results in even a 1% chance of avoiding Hell's eternal fires, that is well worth it. It is like paying 50 cents for a 1% chance of winning a trillion dollars (actually more than this, but I've just used arbitrarily small and large math figures to not hurt the heads of so called logical atheists.)

I call tell you from personal experience the pain from not being beaten by your father. Oh, sure, it may seem more comfortable for the time being, but it does nothing to help your spirit. I wallowed in liberal false Christianity for years. I believed ridiculous lies, such as how women should be allowed to teach men, that beating children was immoral, that blindness was caused by genetic variance, and even that homosexuality was an acceptable alternative lifestyle .

The path from spiritual darkness and ignorance to True Christianity was not easy for me, and if I had to pinpoint a central reason, it was the lack of beatings I received from my father. Had I died at anytime then I would be roasting and toasting in Satan's unending nightmare, rather than posting here today. I still have nightmares about God striking me down for my former false Christians beliefs and insults, and the fact that he didn't is just a testament to His boundless love, forgiveness, and mercy. Just the thought frightens me back into obedience to our sweet and loving savoir Jesus.

I don't want anyone to have to go through the emotional scarring and trauma that what I went through, and I wholeheartedly support Cranky Old Man's comprehensive guide to properly disciplining children.
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While the Christian must always battle against carnal weaknesses, such as empathy, none of us wants our children to go to hell. So if it's a choice between hell and torture, then yes, we want to use torture on our children.

Prov 23:13-14 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
Fine, then prepare yourself for police officers coming to your house to take your children away from you, do you think people is stupid? When someone outside the family notice extrange injuries or bruises in children, they inmediately suspect of their parents

I'm glad all the children I know, in and outside my family, are very far from you, I don't want my beloved ones suffering by your fault
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Fine, then prepare yourself for police officers coming to your house to take your children away from you, do you think people is stupid? When someone outside the family notice extrange injuries or bruises in children, they inmediately suspect of their parents

I'm glad all the children I know, in and outside my family, are very far from you, I don't want my beloved ones suffering by your fault
Did you even read what Dr. Pendergast posted?

You say you don't want your beloved ones to suffer, yet you merrily usher them straight to hell for the worst suffering of all. Only a monster would do this.

We love our children, and beat the evil out of them so that they may find the path to righteousness and eternal bliss. I really don't see what's so hard to understand here.
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Did you even read what Dr. Pendergast posted?

You say you don't want your beloved ones to suffer, yet you merrily usher them straight to hell for the worst suffering of all. Only a monster would do this.

We love our children, and beat the evil out of them so that they may find the path to righteousness and eternal bliss. I really don't see what's so hard to understand here.
Oh yeah, you "love" them....

Honey, I love you deeply, that's why I beated you so hard you ended in a coma two years ago, when you wake up, daddy is gonna beat you every night until you sleep, he's gonna eat all your food so you won't have nothing, and he's gonna sell your bed and sending you to sleep in the grass. I love you son

And believe me, the day I have children, I'm not going to put one single finger on them, sorry for not being a violent lunatic like you, I don't believe in violence agains those who are weaker, too bad your cult can't understand something so simple

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Honey, I love you deeply, that's why I beated you so hard you ended in a coma two years ago, when you wake up, daddy is gonna beat you every night until you sleep, he's gonna eat all your food so you won't have nothing, and he's gonna sell your bed and sending you to sleep in the grass. I love you son

And believe me, the day I have children, I'm not going to put one single finger on them, sorry for not being a violent lunatic like you, I don't believe in violence agains those who are weaker, too bad your cult can't understand something so simple

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We are well aware of the Obamacare police trying to steal our children and prevent them from going to Heaven. This is why my very insightful article advises parents to use a 15-inch plastic tube, preferable in a cheerful color. Using this leaves fewer marks which prevent the Obamacare authorities from abducting our children and dooming them to Hell. The cheerful color will make sure the child understands you are torturing it out of love.
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Oh yeah, you "love" them....

Honey, I love you deeply, that's why I beated you so hard you ended in a coma two years ago, when you wake up, daddy is gonna beat you every night until you sleep, he's gonna eat all your food so you won't have nothing, and he's gonna sell your bed and sending you to sleep in the grass. I love you son

And believe me, the day I have children, I'm not going to put one single finger on them, sorry for not being a violent lunatic like you, I don't believe in violence agains those who are weaker, too bad your cult can't understand something so simple

And yes, you read that well, Landover is a CULT
I have NEVER laid a hand on any of my children. The use of the hand is to show your child that you love and care for them. When conditioning your children a rod or switch should be used. BY using this method the child knows when it is in your good books, i.e. empty hands - child has been good. Rod/switch in hand - conditioning/training is only moments away.

As you should know, children, especially those under 12 months, are like animals. They have no notion of morals or right or wrong, just like a puppy. They need to learn early on that thier actions have consequences - just like a dog. Would you let your dog piss all over the carpet and the just say, "Awww, shame, poor puppy need wee wee?", of course not, you would lift your boot and give it a good kick in the hole at the same time admonishing it for pissing or crapping on the floor. The same needs to be done with children.
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Well, I am certain you are stupid.

We are well aware of the Obamacare police trying to steal our children and prevent them from [/SIZE]going to Heaven. This is why my very insightful article advises parents to use a 15-inch plastic tube, preferable in a cheerful color. Using this leaves fewer marks which prevent the Obamacare authorities from abducting our children and dooming them to Hell. The cheerful color will make sure the child understands you are torturing it out of love.
Words from the crazier freak in this place, certainly I won't never let my future children be near of people like you. I'm very impressed how life is so worthless for you that you're even able to beat and torture innocent children, sometimes to death, to serve you "God", this place sucks and is full of crazy criminals
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I'm very impressed how life is so worthless for you
Duh! Of course life is worthless. The only purpose of life is to determine who will be allowed in Heaven and who will burn in Hell for all eternity. Please stop wasting your short life on masturbating all the time and start focusing on what really matters, you immortal and eternal soul!
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Words from the crazier freak in this place, certainly I won't never let my future children be near of people like you. I'm very impressed how life is so worthless for you that you're even able to beat and torture innocent children, sometimes to death, to serve you "God", this place sucks and is full of crazy criminals
And it will be because you refuse to condition/train your children that they will become hellbound heathen brats. You truly are an absolute monster.
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This guide was exactly what I needed for my little brother! Thank you Sir.

I have both that exact pipe and the perfect belt! My father and mother do not condone this, so I can't make it perfect, but with God as my witness I will save my brother's soul!
Being naked around me should be sufficient, as I know for a fact he is utterly humiliated when I see him that way.
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For supposedly being so logical, these atheists do not seem to understand math very well. Hell is an unending eternity of suffering and torture. Any form of pain on Earth what so ever to avoid going to Hell is therefore justified, no matter how terrible and no matter how lengthy.

If you have to be tortured for 50 years, and it results in even a 1% chance of avoiding Hell's eternal fires, that is well worth it. It is like paying 50 cents for a 1% chance of winning a trillion dollars (actually more than this, but I've just used arbitrarily small and large math figures to not hurt the heads of so called logical atheists.)
Brother, these are the wisest words in this entire conversation. Who in their right minds could argue with such simple, straight-forward logic like this? The way in which you explain this is reminiscent of how I explain to my children the necessity of pulling out a splinter even when it hurts. Would they really rather leave a splinter in, letting it infect the skin, turn the limb gangrenous, just to avoid the relatively tiny discomfort of plucking it out? Avoiding Hell is the same thing, only on a much bigger scale.

Such a shame that people would hold on to that splinter of sin. I'm so glad you could explain this in terms even a simple-minded atheist can [hopefully] comprehend.

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