[James Hutchins]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

Pastor, I want to thank you for stating the truths. So many naysayers in the world today and it only seems to be getting worse. Why don't people take the time to read the Bible? To of read it and removed all doubt is such a weight off of my mind. Faced with new situations from time to time, I already know what is the right thing to do.
Praise Jesus...Amen

[A Follower]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

The atheist empathy argument is easy to refute.

I will give an example:
Suppose an atheist kid gets bullied at school, he gets depressed and ends up with suicidal thoughts. At that moment his empathy and conscience tell him not only that he wants to die, but that all other people must also want to die. The result? Yet another school shooting by an atheist.

[Simon Tam]

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Follow your conscience it wil not steer you wrong.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Follow your conscience it wil not steer you wrong.

Wrong again, simple simon.

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
Proverbs 28:26

We follow God. Everyone should.

[GOD=life]

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Haha, such people will make the argument that we should think and consider rational thought to guide us, yet when the pastor makes the valid argument that we use the ultimate rational resource (The KJV 1611 Bible), they say "no no, follow your conscience".

Great argument, guys. What if your conscience tells you it's OK to murder people? Wow, aren't you glad the depraved serial killer followed his conscience instead of the Bible?

[CreasyBear]

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Friends, what the Word of God says and what your conscience tell you will frequently be in conflict. Being saved and having faith means ignoring your conscience and following Jesus, Amen.

Praise Jesus!
Pastor Billy-Reuben

Thats the problem. You need someone telling you what you can and can't do. You are not able to think for yourself. Right there makes an women that doesn't believe in this crap over 9000 times smarter than you.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

Thats the problem. You need someone telling you what you can and can't do.

So do you, only you choose not to listen to God's Word. It seems to me that you are the one with a problem, and you had better get it solved quick before Jesus comes back.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Simon Tam]

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Simon says, God works through your conscience always has, always will.

[GOD=life]

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Simon says, God works through your conscience always has, always will.

How about the moderators on here remove your post for inaccuracy just like they do over at wikipedia?

How about you tell serial killers that God works through their conscience. They will surely agree with you.

[NewlySaved]

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Simon says, God works through your conscience always has, always will.

God works through your conscience IF you except Jesus as your savior and follow all of his good teachings, Simon. Otherwise that voice in your head is Satan and he's deceiving you into believing that he is God!

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%202:8-12&version=KJV

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%208:20&version=KJV

[BishopAgyanMam]

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You are being ridiculous, Elizabeth. Your argument is basically this: If the Bible says something that I know for a fact isn't true, would I believe the Bible anyway? For that argument to work, there would have to be something in the Bible that is false, but there isn't. If the premise of an "if" statement is false, then the conclusion is utterly meaningless. Simple predicate calculus can tell you that.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

i thank you so very much sir for reports like this! i really enjoy reading statements that show that science and logic can be used as a a crusading tool! bravo! it is something i am not used to and i will use it whenever challenged during my public sermons on the bus.

praise you all! finding these very helpfull blogs really is an divinely accelerator for my quest! thank you!

[undecided]

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So, you're basically saying that you should not use your mind to make decisions, but rather you should blindly follow the Bible and let it make all your decisions for you? I disagree with that. The mind is the tool of human survival. We are not animals. We have no claws, no sharp teeth, only a wonderfully intelligent mind, capable of logic and reason. But you propose that we abandon our tool of survival and follow this book, blindly making decisions based off of it. How are we supposed to survive, if we leave behind the only tool that keeps ourselves alive?
Do you even know what survival is? Since this site seems to define good as "the avoidance of evil" you may define survival as "the avoidance of death." That is wrong. By that logic building is just the avoidance of destruction. Yet centuries of abstaining from destroying will not raise one building for you to avoid destroying, just as not dying does not mean that you are surviving. Survival is not the act of reproducing so that the species continues, which you might find as evil according to your book anyway. Survival is the act by which you are able to lead a productive, happy life. Productive because you can have a job and support yourself through free trade. Happy because you can follow your moral values, the moral values given to you by your mind, because it is your mind that allows you to survive.
Following your book, the Bible, will not bring you the great life that it tells you it will. Following that book will simply erase your mind, bit by bit, until the time comes that you are no longer able to make decisions based on your own judgement any longer. It looks like some of you are already at that point, and for you my post is useless, because you aren't reading it trying to understand it, but you are reading it trying to not understand, to use your non-mind to blank out my logic. I am appealing to those of you who are not at that point. Come back to your mind. Use your mind to make decisions, rather than the book you blindly follow.
Some background on myself: I was raised roman catholic, but my mind has been telling me otherwise my entire life.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Undecided,

I think you have failed to understand Pastor Billy-Reuben's point. He was not talking about survival. What he was getting at is to trust in the Bible more than your own empathy and conscience. He offered several examples of where his conscience and the Bible conflict.

For example, it "feels" genocide is wrong, to systematically murder men, women, and children because of their ethnicity....but it is actually okay in certain cases because God commands it. What Pastor-Billy Reuben is saying is to ignore those "feelings" (that is just the Devil trying to lead you astray) and put all your faith in the Bible.

This makes sense because the Word of God trumps our own conscience. Are you so arrogant to think that you know what is moral and what is not? God created morality and has set the rules. The Bible is a rulebook and for us to question those rules is a sin.

[undecided]

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Undecided,
I think you have failed to understand Pastor Billy-Reuben's point. He was not talking about survival. What he was getting at is to trust in the Bible more than your own empathy and conscience.

There is no difference. Your conscience is an extension of your mind, it is the section of your mind that asks "right or wrong?" before you commit an action. It is the section that says right or wrong after you commit an action, so that you may learn from it and in the future you can do the same, or differently. You are proposing to get rid of your conscience, to eliminate that part of your mind in exchange for your book. As I pointed out, the mind is the human's tool of survival, so how do you propose to survive after you eliminate the mind? Yes you may be alive, but are you really surviving? Are you happy? Seriously happy, not happy as in you're happy because you are following the Bible, and it says that if you follow it you will be happy. Are you productive? Do you wake up to every day thinking that you are going to destroy those who are uninformed, or do you wake up thinking that you will achieve a goal, a productive goal based on free trade. Not necessarily monetary trade, but a trade of goods, mind or ideas. If you violate either happiness or productivity, then you are not really surviving.

He offered several examples of where his conscience and the Bible conflict.

Yes he did, and he followed the Bible every time. That is what I am against. If your mind agrees with the Bible, then go ahead and follow it, not because it is the Bible, but because you agree with it. But follow your mind, do not blindly do what the Bible says. Above all follow the law of identity. A is A. You cannot blank out any part of reality.

For example, it "feels" genocide is wrong, to systematically murder men, women, and children because of their ethnicity....but it is actually okay in certain cases because God commands it. What Pastor-Billy Reuben is saying is to ignore those "feelings" (that is just the Devil trying to lead you astray) and put all your faith in the Bible.

No it is not ok. You should not kill people because God tells you to. You should never have to kill a person, but if you do then it should be because they use force against you first. That is the only valid reason to kill a person, according to my mind. You might say that your mind thinks differently, but I have to ask you, is your mind really thinking or is it blindly following a book?

This makes sense because the Word of God trumps our own conscience. Are you so arrogant to think that you know what is moral and what is not? God created morality and has set the rules. The Bible is a rulebook and for us to question those rules is a sin.

So here you are saying that God trumps our conscience, which is the same as saying that God trumps our mind. If the mind is our tool of survival, then you are saying that God is trying to lead us to death. I do know what is moral, because I am able to depend on my objective mind, and I am proud of it. I accept reality and use logic, the tool of human survival, to decide what is moral. The fact that you have to cite the Bible shows the extent of the destruction of your mind.

[Brother Temperance]

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So, you're basically saying that you should not use your mind to make decisions, but rather you should blindly follow the Bible and let it make all your decisions for you? I disagree with that. The mind is the tool of human survival.

And what about the soul?

We are not animals. We have no claws, no sharp teeth, only a wonderfully intelligent mind, capable of logic and reason. But you propose that we abandon our tool of survival and follow this book, blindly making decisions based off of it. How are we supposed to survive, if we leave behind the only tool that keeps ourselves alive?

God is what made us live in the first place, so trust in him and everything will be fine.

Do you even know what survival is? Since this site seems to define good as "the avoidance of evil" you may define survival as "the avoidance of death." That is wrong. By that logic building is just the avoidance of destruction. Yet centuries of abstaining from destroying will not raise one building for you to avoid destroying, just as not dying does not mean that you are surviving. Survival is not the act of reproducing so that the species continues, which you might find as evil according to your book anyway. Survival is the act by which you are able to lead a productive, happy life. Productive because you can have a job and support yourself through free trade. Happy because you can follow your moral values, the moral values given to you by your mind, because it is your mind that allows you to survive.
Following your book, the Bible, will not bring you the great life that it tells you it will. Following that book will simply erase your mind, bit by bit, until the time comes that you are no longer able to make decisions based on your own judgement any longer. It looks like some of you are already at that point, and for you my post is useless, because you aren't reading it trying to understand it, but you are reading it trying to not understand, to use your non-mind to blank out my logic. I am appealing to those of you who are not at that point. Come back to your mind. Use your mind to make decisions, rather than the book you blindly follow.
Some background on myself: I was raised roman catholic, but my mind has been telling me otherwise my entire life.

Again, you ignore the existence of the immortal soul and of God altogether.