[An Aladam]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

Depends, is what you're saying Biblically sound? If it is then it is meaningful, if it isn't, it's fluff at best and blasphemy at worst.

Lower than their fathers, husbands and Church members. I don't remember any part of the Bible that says I have to obey any man I come across. Although I have met many men who thought the way you are.


Then prove that you've Truly been Saved© and that you're not another one of the millions of false fuzzy bunny Christians who don't know their Bible from Harry Potter.

First I must apologize; I received an infraction for wasting your time and I'm sorry. I'm merely curious and asking questions.

I do not believe that you should obey me, I was only noting you have a strong spirit; I respect a strong spirit.

I don't like Harry Potter. He's a rules-breaker.

[Spreadable Butter]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

Two things:

1) I would like you to explain how with An Aladam said about his bullying problems is being more of a "sympathy whore" than someone asking for prayer.


2) How does one prove that they have truly been saved? If I am not mistaken, at the top of this site on the banner it says "unsaved welcome." For new profiles, such as mine, it says that we are "unsaved trash," despite our backgrounds and our beliefs. Additionally, according to many members of this site, God does not listen to the prayers of the sinners. So from what I see, we are all, as default, unsaved. And if we're unsaved then we're sinners, and if we're sinners then God doesn't listen to our prayers to make us saved. If God is the only one who can save us and he doesn't listen, then no one here is saved.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

First I must apologize; I received an infraction for wasting your time and I'm sorry. I'm merely curious and asking questions.

I do not believe that you should obey me, I was only noting you have a strong spirit; I respect a strong spirit.

I don't like Harry Potter. He's a rules-breaker.

You will find most True Christian(TM) women are strong in spirit. We wear the armor of God!

Two things:

1) I would like you to explain how with An Aladam said about his bullying problems is being more of a "sympathy whore" than someone asking for prayer.

Well we don't pray for the unsaved, it's pretty much useless, and God doesn't listen to the prayers of the unsaved. So unless we actually know someone well enough to know that they're True Christian(TM) then we don't pray for them.

Oh and anyone who goes from Christian site to Christian site asking for prayers would be a sympathy whore in my eyes. After all, if they were True Christian(TM) they could get the people at their own church to pray for them and their problem would be solved.

2) How does one prove that they have truly been saved? If I am not mistaken, at the top of this site on the banner it says "unsaved welcome." For new profiles, such as mine, it says that we are "unsaved trash," despite our backgrounds and our beliefs. Additionally, according to many members of this site, God does not listen to the prayers of the sinners. So from what I see, we are all, as default, unsaved. And if we're unsaved then we're sinners, and if we're sinners then God doesn't listen to our prayers to make us saved. If God is the only one who can save us and he doesn't listen, then no one here is saved.

Actually it says "UNSAVED UNWELCOME!" God tells us to live separately from the unsaved.


2nd Chronicles19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.


1st Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Closing the board to outsiders has been discussed by the Pastors, but my understanding is that we get enough True Christians(tm) locked in evil socialist countries here that NEED this outlet to praise Jesus. Also some who come here originally to mock, turn to God. So we put up with the God-mockers in order to save the few stray sheep that wander in.
Luke 15:3-5 And he spake this parable unto them, saying, What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

[An Aladam]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

You will find most True Christian™ women are strong in spirit. We wear the armor of God!

This is very good! Praise Jesus for women who are strong in spirit!

[Spreadable Butter]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

The "saved welcome" was a typo which I tried to edit but wouldn't let me.


I am still unable to understand how all of you immediately refer to everyone as unsaved without even knowing them. Isn't that a little judgmental? If you do not pray for the saved and God doesn't listen to them, then how are they saved? You sort of avoided that in my last point. It's paradoxical. Because if I understand correctly, living a Godly life and praying for forgiveness to our sins is the only way to reach eternal life. So if no one prays for us or listens to our prayers, then being "saved" is seemingly impossible.

Also, since the Bible DOES say that everyone sins, no matter which version you read, then technically we're still all unsaved, assuming that someone who sinner is unsaved. So how are you saved and I'm not? If I follow the Bible and the Ten Commandments and everything, what separates you from me and why would I not be worthy of receiving your prayer? That's picking and choosing.

[BelieverInGod]

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The "saved welcome" was a typo which I tried to edit but wouldn't let me.


I am still unable to understand how all of you immediately refer to everyone as unsaved without even knowing them. Isn't that a little judgmental? If you do not pray for the saved and God doesn't listen to them, then how are they saved? You sort of avoided that in my last point. It's paradoxical. Because if I understand correctly, living a Godly life and praying for forgiveness to our sins is the only way to reach eternal life. So if no one prays for us or listens to our prayers, then being "saved" is seemingly impossible.

**sigh**

Fluffy Bunny Christians

99.9% of the people who come here are Hell Bound Unsaved Trash. Some will change their ways and start following the KJV Bible, but the rest will either continue their God-mocking or return to their fluffy bunny church where they will be told that they can sin all they want and still get into Heaven as long as they tag out/say the magic words/ask for forgiveness right before they die.

Do you really think God falls for such tricks? Do you think he's about to cast someone into Hell and He's "damn, the guy said he was sorry as he was flying through the air, I guess I have to let him in." Really?

Also, since the Bible DOES say that everyone sins, no matter which version you read, then technically we're still all unsaved, assuming that someone who sinner is unsaved. So how are you saved and I'm not? If I follow the Bible and the Ten Commandments and everything, what separates you from me and why would I not be worthy of receiving your prayer? That's picking and choosing.

Yes, everyone has sinned, but once you are a True Christian™ it is impossible for you to sin.

1st John 3:6-9 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

1st John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

Also, since the Bible DOES say that everyone sins, no matter which version you read,

Prior to Salvation. After that, We are blood bought and perfected in Christ

[Spreadable Butter]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

I'm not understanding. I believe in the Book of Acts it says that "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." In Romans it says "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thy heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Jesus also said "Seek and you shall find." However, I do believe that one needs to LIVE a life of God and not just believe. But my understanding here is that we can live and believe but we're still not saved.

If I'm not mistaken, I can believe, I can ask for forgiveness, I can spread the Word, I can live a spiritual life, I can get baptized, etc., yet according to those this forum, I will still be unsaved. Seems to me that the Bible is pretty clear on who is saved and who is not. Jesus says that those who seek Him will find Him. But if he doesn't listen to the "unsaved"'s prayer, then how can we find Him if we are seeking Him? What the Bible is saying seems to contradict the beliefs that you hold.


On the other hand, saying that once you are saved that it is impossible to sin, in my opinion, is false. Do sins in thought not exist? Aren't some thoughts inevitable? As someone majoring in Psychology, I can tell you without a doubt that the unconscious mind will wander its own way, and sometimes attempting not to think about something will cause you to think about it. Whether it be sexual, vulgar, violent, etc., doesn't it still constitute as a sin? It's a human trait that these thoughts at times cannot be prevented.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

I'm not understanding. I believe in the Book of Acts it says that "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." In Romans it says "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thy heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Jesus also said "Seek and you shall find." However, I do believe that one needs to LIVE a life of God and not just believe. But my understanding here is that we can live and believe but we're still not saved.

YOU HAVE TO MEAN IT! God can see into your heart! He knows whether you mean it or if you are just paying him lip service.

Please show me scripture that say's you don't have to really mean it.

If I'm not mistaken, I can believe, I can ask for forgiveness, I can spread the Word, I can live a spiritual life, I can get baptized, etc., yet according to those this forum, I will still be unsaved. Seems to me that the Bible is pretty clear on who is saved and who is not. Jesus says that those who seek Him will find Him. But if he doesn't listen to the "unsaved"'s prayer, then how can we find Him if we are seeking Him? What the Bible is saying seems to contradict the beliefs that you hold.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

On the other hand, saying that once you are saved that it is impossible to sin, in my opinion, is false. Do sins in thought not exist?

So you just ignore the parts that tell us to be perfect, because you want to roll in the filth of sin but think that you should be able to ask Jesus to save you? What did Jesus say when he saved someone?

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
If not sinning was impossible, why would Jesus tell people to "sin no more"?

Aren't some thoughts inevitable? As someone majoring in Psychology, I can tell you without a doubt that the unconscious mind will wander its own way, and sometimes attempting not to think about something will cause you to think about it. Whether it be sexual, vulgar, violent, etc., doesn't it still constitute as a sin? It's a human trait that these thoughts at times cannot be prevented.

No they're not. Psychology is just garbage to tell people that since we're all nothing but animals, it's okay to act like animals. Rape someone? Well that was just your urge to share your gene's. Murder? That's just your territorial instincts. Hey, no big deal since we're nothing but monkeys.

Perhaps you should try a Christian College.

[Spreadable Butter]

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I completely agree that you have to mean it. But the people here can't sense whether you mean it or not through text. In order to judge a person's true intentions and emotions there needs to be actual contact with the person. So saying that everyone is by default "unsaved" even if their true intentions are to live a life of God and a life that is described in the Bible, isn't that being a little judgmental then? Sure God can see our true intentions, but since you can't does that automatically make me unsaved?

Also, I agree that one cannot just praise God; but that they also have to live the life as well. They cannot live in a facade and a double-life. And your point of "If not sinning was impossible, why would Jesus tell people to 'sin no more'?" is a good one. However, I did not imply that we should just roll in the filth of sin and then expect God to save us. But he did die for my sins, did he not? And I'm pretty sure the Bible blatantly points out that he forgives sins. I'm not saying I should live a sinful life then prayer for forgiveness each night. But when we feel we've done wrongdoing and need to seek repentance for it, Jesus clearly pointed out that he'd forgive us. Point in case: I served in the military and there were times that I had to commit sinful acts in order to save my life and those around me. It's not that I was living a sinful life, but it was something I needed forgiveness for.


Finally, Psychology is the study of human behavior and lifespan growth. It explains why we may at times act like animals, not giving us excuses to do so. In regards to rape, I believe I've seen a few topics on this forum discussing how rape is the girls' fault and that working on Sundays is more of a sin than raping someone. Seems to be that many of this forum take rape lightly.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

I completely agree that you have to mean it. But the people here can't sense whether you mean it or not through text. In order to judge a person's true intentions and emotions there needs to be actual contact with the person. So saying that everyone is by default "unsaved" even if their true intentions are to live a life of God and a life that is described in the Bible, isn't that being a little judgmental then? Sure God can see our true intentions, but since you can't does that automatically make me unsaved?

Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

You were saying?

Oh and intentions mean nothing.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Also, I agree that one cannot just praise God; but that they also have to live the life as well. They cannot live in a facade and a double-life. And your point of "If not sinning was impossible, why would Jesus tell people to 'sin no more'?" is a good one. However, I did not imply that we should just roll in the filth of sin and then expect God to save us. But he did die for my sins, did he not? And I'm pretty sure the Bible blatantly points out that he forgives sins. I'm not saying I should live a sinful life then prayer for forgiveness each night. But when we feel we've done wrongdoing and need to seek repentance for it, Jesus clearly pointed out that he'd forgive us. Point in case: I served in the military and there were times that I had to commit sinful acts in order to save my life and those around me. It's not that I was living a sinful life, but it was something I needed forgiveness for.

Jesus forgives once! Oh and why would you commit sinful acts to save your own life? Are you afraid to meet your maker? Sounds like it. Also, if you were Truly Saved(c) you would not have been able to sin, not even to save your own life. So that tells us that in fact, yes, you are Unsaved Trash.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Finally, Psychology is the study of human behavior and lifespan growth. It explains why we may at times act like animals, not giving us excuses to do so. In regards to rape, I believe I've seen a few topics on this forum discussing how rape is the girls' fault and that working on Sundays is more of a sin than raping someone. Seems to be that many of this forum take rape lightly.

We are the sons of the LORD GOD, we are not animals.

No we do not take rape lightly, that would be the liebrals. If we had our choice we would stone people who rape married rapists to death (along with the willing participant) and make them marry any maiden they raped. It's all spelled out in Deuteronomy 22. Are you sure you read your Bible?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

This republican tells us why bullying is good: because bullies are conservatives and their victims are liberals. His case is airtight:

A Little More on Bullying

I mentioned in a recent post that, like Bonald at Throne and Altar, I actually support bullying under certain circumstances. Let me flesh that out a little more.

Actually, let me just state my rule for bullying: if it's used as a means of enforcing normative behaviors, I'm all for it. And yeah, that means giving shit to fairies and tomboys and so on.

Normative behaviors exist for a reason. Like tradition, social norms tell us provide us a measure of what is good and just, especially for those who are too stupid to figure it out on their own. Social disapproval of immoral behaviors (like homosexuality, adultery, etc.) is often a more powerful disincentive to commit them than legal consequences; there are limits to others' ability to probe into your legal indiscretions, but the stench of a social brand in some degenerate's ass can linger in a community's collective hindbrain for generations. And so it was that, for a long time, it was wholly unnecessary for governments to police morality: communities did it their own damn selves.

Of course, one can say, "Well, who are you to force the norm of traditional family on, say, some good-hearted, hard-working single mother?" But one would be an idiot for saying that, given the abundance of studies (at least one by no less-respected a medical journal than The Lancet, a casual Googling revealed) demonstrating that childen raised in single-family are worse off in pretty much every way: they exhibit higher rates of mental illness, suicide attempts, injury, alcoholism, drug addiction, and all-cause mortality, even after adjusting for socioeconomic status and parents' health.

Traditional societies knew and understood that children did best who were raised in a norm-conforming household; it is only in our (supposedly) enlightened modern society that we make virtuous angels out of the sluts and cads who ruin their kids' lives so that they can find themselves (or whatever). That's why traditional societies ostracized such people while modern societies make movies about them while ignoring all the evil they bring into the world. Likewise with the destruction of traditional gender roles (in the form of flamboyant homosexuals, cross-dressers, and transgender freakazoids).

So to the extent that people bullied today are serial violators of perfectly rational social norms, they ought to be subject to social disapproval -- even quite severely so.

Those who imagine there is a "right" to attend a school without being bullied are deluded: one never has a right to behave however one wishes without consequences.

Accepting this fact is a key step toward maturity. I'm torn on the extent to which this ought to entail physical bullying (certainly, I think it's justified when one is being an asshole about defying social norms, as in the case of the transgender abomination that got his/her ass unceremoniously pummeled into a seizure at a Baltimore-area McDonald's recently for belligerently insisting on using an occupied women's restroom), but I see nothing wrong with quite persistent verbal ribbing.

But to the extent bullying represents mindless, irrational cruelty (for instance, assaulting those whose only crime is being skinny, awkward, smart, or whatever), it ought to be brought under control. Unlike defiance of social norms, being skinny or fat or awkward or smart really doesn't hurt anyone -- and there's no sense in punishing them for it. It's intrinsic to the nature of demographics, after all, that not everyone can be ripped, engaging, and of modest intellect). Of course, that's no reason to have to associate with them (and awkward people really shouldn't have any friends until they learn to go out and make some on their own), but again, it's no reason to subject them to punishment, either. An Unmarried Man has a good post on the topic related to fat (and pregnant) women; it's worth a read.

One may object to my characterization of bullying in defense of social norms as not only valid and reasonable but right and good as fighting fire with fire. It is, of course -- but sometimes that's perfectly advisable, as when one stops the spread of a firestorm by burning away the flammable brush in a certain circumfrence around it. It's worth bearing in mind that the same liberals who decry bullying are perfectly content to bully in defense of their own social norms, at the expense of Christians and non-sexual deviants and so on; FIRE is dedicated to fighting these types of bullying in universities, where it has the potential to devastate a person's future to an extent routine beating-up-fags stuff doesn't . If there is, in fact, something like a war going on to determine whose social values ought to be ascendant, I see no reason why one side should be expected to unilaterally disarm.

Even for the sake of the children.

This is also backed up by Focus On The Family, who has pointed out that when you're gay-hunting, the most likely suspects are the creative, empathetic, and/or victims of bullying.

[Nobar King]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

I don't know who this Jamey kid is but I'm pretty sure his parents doomed him from the start by giving him a girl's name. No wonder he killed himself.

Teen who recorded anti-bullying message commits suicide:

NEW YORK — A 14-year-old boy from New York who warned in Internet postings that he felt suicidal because of anti-homosexual bullying has been found dead outside his home.
Jamey Rodemeyer became the latest in a string of suicides by young Americans who had been abused or ridiculed - in several cases over the Internet - because of their sexuality.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...#ixzz1Yi4JiCNL

[Trent Harvey, Jr.]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

I'm bumping this for anyone who says that Donald Trump behaves like a bully, or encourages bully-like behavior.

[God Hates Everything]

Re: Bullied to death? What the Bible says about bullying

I'm bumping this for anyone who says that Donald Trump behaves like a bully, or encourages bully-like behavior.

Mr. Trump is the second coming of our Lord, who rose in response to that hated antichrist who is President now. Those who say He bullies are absolutely right, and His Word says to imitate him in all we do. I believe that we must encourage bullying, purge the weak, and bring forth a glorious holy dominion on Earth.