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  • Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian(tm)?

    Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

    I recently came across the following Scripture:

    Mark 16:15-16:
    And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    Of course, we all have read Mark's gospel often, but for some reason, I never gave much thought to the word "creature" in the first verse. However, "creature" originally means "a created thing," and most often is used as referring to animals, at least in the English language that is used in the 1611 King James Bible.

    The point is, This Verse seems to imply that we should bring the gospel to "all creatures," which includes animals. I always thought this to be some kind of silly cathlyck heresy, but now I'm unsure. Can a grasshopper even understand who Jesus is? Do jellyfish burn in Hell when they reject Jesus?

    Could any of you (preferably a Pastor) please help me out on this?
    Sweet Lord Jesus,
    I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
    Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
    Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
    Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
    Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
    Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
    Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

    Amen.


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    Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

    This is a very good question, actually. Since it is imperative we follow all of the Bible, to the word (see James 2:10), we must understand this commandment as clearly as possible.

    Like you mention, the word "creature" really means "that which is created", which includes human beings of course, but also mainly animals. In modern English, creature for the most part means animal. Unfortunately, even the Greek that it was originally written in is not much more clear. κτίσει pronounced "ktisei", means "creation".

    But, the question remains: If God had intended us to preach only to human beings, why not say so? Why not say "preach the Gospel to all people"? Why use the word "creation/creature", which encompasses much more?

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    • #3
      Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

      Although you can preach to an animal, how would you know if it accepted Jesus as it's saviour? How would you know it was ready for baptism?
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      • #4
        Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

        I know of one animal that can. It's Jesus' horse.

        Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

        As for your doggie or kittty. Absolutely no way. Sorry, but spot and fluffy will not be getting into heaven. It's either hell or nothingness for them.

        Cats are often used as familiars with witches. Dogs are hated by God as demonstrated by Brother Basher.
        Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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        • #5
          Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

          Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
          I know of one animal that can. It's Jesus' horse.

          Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

          As for your doggie or kittty. Absolutely no way. Sorry, but spot and fluffy will not be getting into heaven. It's either hell or nothingness for them.

          Cats are often used as familiars with witches. Dogs are hated by God as demonstrated by Brother Basher.
          Well what if your parrot suddenly squawks ''I believe, I believe'' should you -Take him to Church for Baptism
          -Smite it as a familiar to Satan trying to deceive you
          -Move his cage away from the TV when Rev. Jim is Preaching

          Quite a quandary.
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          Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
          Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
          Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

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          • #6
            Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

            Originally posted by True Disciple View Post
            Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

            I recently came across the following Scripture:

            Mark 16:15-16:
            And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
            He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

            Of course, we all have read Mark's gospel often, but for some reason, I never gave much thought to the word "creature" in the first verse. However, "creature" originally means "a created thing," and most often is used as referring to animals, at least in the English language that is used in the 1611 King James Bible.

            The point is, This Verse seems to imply that we should bring the gospel to "all creatures," which includes animals. I always thought this to be some kind of silly cathlyck heresy, but now I'm unsure. Can a grasshopper even understand who Jesus is? Do jellyfish burn in Hell when they reject Jesus?

            Could any of you (preferably a Pastor) please help me out on this?
            I am certainly glad you decided to post this question, True Disciple.

            I have a cockatiel and because of my avid and out loud recitations of The Good Book, he has mastered several verses, as well as being able to sing "Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so". In his birdbath too I have shoved his head under the water a few times, which he did not really enjoy, but none the less. Does this mean he is saved?

            Oh I should add though, he also appears to be able to whistle the Sponge Bob Square Pants theme song and I have no idea at all where he picked that up from!

            I am so confused.

            YIC,

            Mrs.P.Wintersnow




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            Just see what He offers me....
            Down here my sins forgiven,
            Up there a home in heaven
            Praise God, That's the way for me!!

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            • #7
              Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

              Animals are for us to kill and eat.

              Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that liveth, shall be meat for you."
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              To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
              James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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              • #8
                Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

                but if the passage reads spread Gods word to all creatures
                and creature as is clearly stated in here means creation or a created thing,
                then shouldnt you also spread the word of God to trees, your computer,
                the ground and your door and so on and so forth?
                18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
                18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that [sheep], than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

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                • #9
                  Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

                  Originally posted by Sexual deviant View Post
                  but if the passage reads spread Gods word to all creatures
                  and creature as is clearly stated in here means creation or a created thing,
                  then shouldnt you also spread the word of God to trees, your computer,
                  the ground and your door and so on and so forth?
                  You don't have a very good grasp of the English language, do you.

                  creature [ˈkriːtʃə]n1. a living being, esp an animal
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                  • #10
                    Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

                    I think it is important to read the verse closely. It says to preach to every creature, but it does not mention specifically that they can be saved. Since animals for the most part (except for parrots) are too stupid to fully understand American English, they don't understand the gift that God is offering them.

                    Retards and immigrants are in the same boat as pigs and cows if you ask me! The fact that animals cannot speak (except for parrots) means that they ALL (except for parrots) reject God and are therefore damned.

                    It seems to me then that the only animals that can go to Heaven with us are parrots that can accept Jesus as their personal savior, so long as they live a sin-free life.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

                      Originally posted by Capt. A. Portway View Post
                      I think it is important to read the verse closely. It says to preach to every creature, but it does not mention specifically that they can be saved. Since animals for the most part (except for parrots) are too stupid to fully understand American English, they don't understand the gift that God is offering them.

                      Retards and immigrants are in the same boat as pigs and cows if you ask me! The fact that animals cannot speak (except for parrots) means that they ALL (except for parrots) reject God and are therefore damned.

                      It seems to me then that the only animals that can go to Heaven with us are parrots that can accept Jesus as their personal savior, so long as they live a sin-free life.
                      All those peasants and savages the caty liks tricked into believing that they need to kiss the ring in rome, they are said to worship parrot fashion right? Does that mean papists will be accepted in Heaven on a technicality?
                      sigpic 1 Chronicles 16:15
                      Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
                      Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
                      Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Animal Baptism: Can an animal be a True Christian™?

                        Originally posted by Benedict A. Davis View Post
                        All those peasants and savages the caty liks tricked into believing that they need to kiss the ring in rome, they are said to worship parrot fashion right? Does that mean papists will be accepted in Heaven on a technicality?
                        Perhaps the association between the FALSE belief systems of catholicism (they seem to have so many) and the spiritual condition of animals could be illuminating? Before I post the link, I'd like to quote some passages from Genesis.

                        GENESIS 1
                        20
                        And God said, Let the waters bring foorth aboundantly the mouing creature that hath life, and foule that may flie aboue the earth in the open firmament of heauen.
                        21 And God created great whales, and euery liuing creature that moueth, which the waters brought forth aboundantly after their kinde, and euery winged foule after his kinde: and God saw that it was good.
                        22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitfull, and multiply, and fill the waters in the Seas, and let foule multiply in the earth.
                        23 And the euening and the morning were the fifth day.

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                        The Bible explains how God created animals in two stages. FIRST He created moving creatures(of the water), birds, whales and fish.

                        GENESIS 1
                        24
                        And God said, Let the earth bring forth the liuing creature after his kinde, cattell, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kinde: and it was so.
                        25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kinde, and cattell after their kinde, and euery thing that creepeth vpon the earth, after his kinde: and God saw that it was good.

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                        In the SECOND stage He created living creatures(of the earth), cattle, creeping things and beasts of the earth.
                        There is an additional phase described in the creation of Man.

                        GENESIS 1 26-28 2 7
                        26
                        And God said, Let vs make man in our Image, after our likenesse: and let them haue dominion ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the aire, and ouer the cattell, and ouer all the earth, and ouer euery creeping thing that creepeth vpon the earth.
                        27 So God created man in his owne Image, in the Image of God created hee him; male and female created hee them.
                        28 And God blessed them, and God said vnto them, Be fruitfull, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and haue dominion ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the aire, and ouer euery liuing thing that mooueth vpon the earth..
                        2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a liuing soule.

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                        The additional phase in the creation of Man is described by God in chapter2 verse7 [above].


                        Catholicism is corrupt. That is not an opinion: The Bible does not support their dogma: that is how we know it is false. There have been a number of trials of animals in their ecclestiacal courts. Here is a short timeline:

                        _824 .. moles prosecuted and excommunicated
                        1478 .. cockchafer larvæ tried in absentia: judged by a Bishop to be “vicious and abominable”
                        1713 [papist Brazil] .. termites prosecuted for destruction of church property (a Franciscan monastery).

                        The earliest documented animal prosecution took place in the Aosta Valley, Italy, in 824CE when a group of moles were excommunicated for ruining fields
                        An infestation of cockchafer larvae endangering the stores in Berne, Switzerland, in 1478 received a summons to “appear before the bishop in order to tell their story”. The Bishop later said he’d “heard the vicious and abominable answer” of the cockchafers, who hadn’t appeared.
                        In 1713 an infestation of termites at a Franciscan monastery in Brazil was tried for destruction of church property. Their procurator [a type of defence lawyer] witnessed to the industry of his clients, even suggesting that “in the matter of such they were superior” to the friars themselves.


                        There seems to be a presupposition that these creatures were somehow "in communion" at the time of their court appearances – otherwise they could not be excommunicated. There is no mention of them ever having been "baptised" (the false baptism of Rome) and I would need strong evidence before I believed that moles, grubs or termites had ever been treated to that rite. Very strong evidence indeed. There is none.

                        Since everything that these papists believe now is anti-Biblical, and since their adoration of "tradition" and the heretical literature of "patristics" confirms that it has been so from the outset of this cult, could someone advise whether their doctrine concerning the souls of animals is similarly false?

                        If animals were found guilty they were ordered to leave the area within six days. As often happened with the exile of human groups, leniency was shown to the very young, very old, the sick and pregnant with an extension of time to depart. If the animals failed to leave they were damned to Hell with full biblical authority and the gravest of attitudes.

                        It was common for one of the miscreant animals to be caught, brought into court as an example, and killed publicly as the curse was being pronounced.

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