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  • Pacifist Papist - No Such Thing as a "Just War"

    What has the "fake pope" Bergoglio been up to lately? Time for an update.

    Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms

    - Jeremiah 51:20
    For some reason so many "Christians" have been lead to believe that the God of the Old Testament was a vengeful God driven to war and violence from just about anything that upset Him. Then somehow Jesus came along as some kind of peace loving hippie with long hair that "loved his enemies" and "tuned the other cheek".

    Well nothing could be further from the truth - there were wars in both the Old and New Testament, i.e. - the Bible (KJV1611).

    We don't need to go into all the wars - but here are a few: Jericho, Philistines, Assyrian, Megiddo, Joshua / Canaanites, Midianites. Yes, they were all about sin, debauchery, and paganism.

    Instead of spending his time with these useless pronouncemnts, Bergoglio might just try his shtick on the "religion of peace" (i.e. mooselimbs).

    Pope tells Russian Orthodox leader there’s no such thing as ‘just war’
    By Elise Ann Allen - Mar 16, 2022 - Senior Correspondent

    ROME – In a videoconference with Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, who has been increasingly supportive of Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine, Pope Francis said Wednesday that there is no such thing anymore as a “just war,” and that as pastors of the same Christian faith, the patriarch and pope should “unite our efforts … to help the suffering, to create paths to peace, and to put out the fire.”

    The remarks were communicated in a Vatican statement Wednesday evening Rome time. The video conference came after rumors had circulated that Kirill had blocked attempts by Pope Francis to speak directly to Putin.

    “The Church must not use the language of politics, but the language of Jesus,” the pope said, according to the Vatican statement.

    In what was seemingly a nod to Russian suffering as a result of the war in addition to that of Ukraine, Francis said, “Those who pay the bill for the war are the people, it is Russian soldiers and it is the people who are bombed and die.”

    “As pastors we have the duty to stay close and to help all the people who suffer from war,” Francis said. “At one time we also spoke in our churches of holy war or just war. Today we cannot speak like that. The Christian conscience has developed on the importance of peace.”

    “The churches are called to contribute to strengthening peace and justice … Wars are always unjust, because the ones who pay are the people of God,” the pope said. “Our hearts cannot help but cry in front of the children, the women killed, all the victims of the war. War is never the way. The spirit that unites us asks us as pastors to help the peoples who suffer from war.”

    In a communique published to their website, the Moscow Patriarchate also said that Kirill and Francis had spoken via “remote communication.”

    Representatives of the Orthodox Church joining Kirill on the call included Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, head of the patriarchate’s department for external church relations, and a representative of the department’s office for inter-Christian relations identified as I.A. Nikolaev.

    On the Vatican side, Pope Francis was joined by Swiss Cardinal Kurt Koch, head of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, and Father Jaromir Zadrapa, a member of the same department.

    According to the patriarchate’s statement, Kirill “cordially greeted” Pope Francis and expressed his “satisfaction with the possibility of organizing a conversation.”

    “A detailed discussion of the situation on Ukrainian soil took place,” the patriarchate said, saying particular attention was paid “to the humanitarian aspects of the current crisis” as well as actions taken by both the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church “to overcome its consequences.”

    Both parties “stressed the exceptional importance of the ongoing negotiation process, expressing their hope for the soonest achievement of a just peace,” the statement said, noting that several “current issues of bilateral cooperation” were also discussed.

    The phone call is believed to be the first direct contact between Kirill and Francis since the Ukraine war broke out Feb. 24.

    It comes less than 24 hours after Ukrainian Archbishop Borys Gudziak of the Ukrainian Catholic Archeparchy of Philadelphia said he believed Kirill had ignored the pope’s attempts to get in touch about Russia’s role in the conflict.

    . . . .

    Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill and Pope Francis connected virtually Wednesday to discuss the current situation in Ukraine.
    Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
    brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
    ...and get off my lawn

  • #2
    Re: Pacifist Papist - No Such Thing as a "Just War"

    Originally posted by WilliamJenningsBryan View Post
    What has the "fake pope" Bergoglio been up to lately? Time for an update.
    “As pastors we have the duty to stay close and to help all the people who suffer from war,” Francis said.
    Frank's going to Ukrania?


    • #3
      Re: Pacifist Papist - No Such Thing as a "Just War"

      To think a war against homerism is not just is so not the Bible. Putin and his Easter Pope know the Bible, Frankie does not. It's that simple.

      And, there is this matter of the slight. Ukraine is in Russia's cultural orbit. To treat Ukraine as some kind of "Western" country is to say the Soviet Union was unimportant. Putin's war is a just war.
      Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.


      • #4
        Re: Pacifist Papist - No Such Thing as a "Just War"

        Or could Russia be an offshoot of Kiev? Which dates from the 5th - 9th centuries, versus Moscow's 12th century provenance.

        Either way for Greater Russia to be reestablished (as if the place wasn't big enough already but as Rockefeller noted, there's always room for a little bit more) I'm sure places like Berlin and Prague will be looking forward to recusant magnanimity stepping out from the shadows just like it was before, not so many years ago. Sure, the old guard have all passed on but the then-young bloods are all still alive and the movers and shakers du jour; exciting interesting dynamic times!


        • #5
          Re: Pacifist Papist - No Such Thing as a "Just War"

          So much for papal infallibility and all those crusades...
          I was sinking deep in sin far from the peaceful shore,
          Very deeply stained within, sinking to rise no more;
          But the Master of the Sea heard my despairing cry,
          From the waters lifted me, now safe am I!


          • #6
            Re: Pacifist Papist - No Such Thing as a "Just War"

            You can't read the Bible and assume that a battle against homerism is fair. Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Easter Pope are well-versed in the bible Scriptures, but Frankie is not. The process is as easy as that.