Science VS Religion: who has invented more advancements?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

A science nerd emailed me:

"If we want to read about miracles creating loaves, fishes and wine, we'll read the Bible. If we want to actually make enough bread and wine to feed the world, we need science. If the Bible was not written by bronze-age savages, it would prove it by containing information that was not known by bronze-age savages. For just one example, it might tell us that disease is spread by germs, and that you can kill germs by boiling stuff. That could have saved us a lot of trouble..."

(Reference: Matthew 14:13-21; Mark 6:31-44; Luke 9:12-17; John 6:1-14; John 2:1-11).

Is technology actually created by Science?

First of all, Mr. Nerd can't prove that modern technology is anything other than God answering Prayers. You can't prove that a nuclear power plant is actually splitting atoms, rather than simply answering people's prayers. Have you ever actually seen an atom split? No, but you've seen people praying for the lights to come back on.

Even 4th graders know this, if they read Science 4 for Christian Schools, from Bob Jones University:

For example, look at this so-called "automated wine factory" which looks like it was simply put together by a bunch of drunks who were playing with wiring, slinkies, and mechano toys. Obviously the only reason it doesn't simply fall apart is because of hungover winos praying for hair-of-the-dog:

As for loaves, I decided to call up this bakery and asked them to calculate the exact number of multitudes they can feed. They were so clueless, they could not answer, in fact, they did not even know what a "multitude" is! Clearly the bakers are just standing back and letting prayer do the work:

As for this "fish farm", which supposedly outdoes Christ's miracle, it looks more like they sinned and caused God to send one of the Plagues of Egypt upon them. That's clever alright, but they learned how to do it by reading the Bible, not science books:

Great inventions from the Bible, as seen on this forum

Can science match these?

1. Here's a solution to climate change and sea level rise.

2. A solution to Hurricanes.

3. A chastity belt, superior to the one feminists designed. Then, because I'm fair and balanced, I invented a countermeasure.

4. A cure for Diabetes.

5. A plan to turn Vatican City into a refugee camp, which the Pope actually did, though in a watered-down form.

6. An arsenal of military equipment that could have won the War On Terror before Christmas. (We had to wait until Easter instead ).

7. A solution to ocean plastic pollution.

8. And if you think knowledge is good for it's own sake, remember that we've made great contributions to zoology, and as for Archaeology, Christians have discovered a veritable fleet of Noah's arks.

9. A plan to bring God back into the economy.

10. A plan that even liberals agree will double the world's wealth production almost overnight, and bring diversity to certain monochrome backwaters of the world.

11. A plan to save public transit, and make it possible to criss-cross the continent with high-speed rail.

12. We proposed burning the Amazon, before it became fashionable.

13. An improved alternative to unicycle-carriages pulled by free-range organic camels.

14. A cost-effective, bipartisan solution to America's mass transit woes: just make every commuter flight double as a bombing raid. Carry bombs on the outgoing flight, pick up commuters on your way back to base. We'll need lots of golf courses with really big water-hazards (where else are we supposed to put all the aircraft carriers?)

15. Sporks. Pretty certain that was us.

You're welcome.

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Re: Science, VS Religion: who has invented more advancements?

I'll add some of the advancements that are to b attributed to Religion.

10. Gravity: Isaac Newton was a Christian.


11. Medicine: Paracelsus was also a Christian.


12. Schools: Charlemagne was a Christian as well.


13. Computers: The inventor of Computer was a Catholic Christian.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Science, VS Religion: who has invented more advancements?

Catholicism never invented anything. The Pope claims to be an infallible conversant with God, yet I've never head the Pope say "Ok God, so which wire do I connect to complete the fusion-power generator?"

Go ahead, search the Vatican archives for "Ok Deo, ita et potentia, cuius filum generans et non coniungere ad perficere fusione?" I bet you won't find anything.

Catholic thinkers may have speculated a lot on how many angels might dance on the head of a pin, but they never suggested boiling that pin in case someone pricks themselves and gets infected.

Can I find a blueprint for a quantum computer in Lives Of The Saints? No, there's just the normal Catholic torture porn.

If the Pope wants us to believe that he really is God's sidekick, here's what he can do:

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Science VS Religion: who has invented more advancements?

Proof that food can miraculously appear out of nowhere:

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Science VS Religion: who has invented more advancements?

Can secular so-called "education" be absolved of blame here? It seems unlikely. Agenda driven from the outset, determined to drive falsehoods into the minds individuals and indoctrinate whole learner groups, the results are all around us today.

For decades they've been trained up UNABLE TO DISTINGUISH falsehood from reality, DENIED the opportunity to develop critical thinking skills and consequently INCAPABLE OF KNOWING when someone is deceiving them or whether the information they're receiving is based on fact.

A very simple example:

Say, "Oh, look at the lovely orange tree!" and even a blind child would tell you not to be silly. "That's not an orange tree!" they'd say. For reference blind people have a heightened sense of smell and assuming they'd eaten apples and and oranges at some stage the different trees would be easy to distinguish.

For learner groups without language, pictures would be used. For mixed groups with different language skills the pictorial method is more inclusive.

You could point at the tree then point at the fruit. Invite members of the learner group to do the same. Maybe sing a song about apples. Pretend to be an apple tree. Even go outside with some fruit and place apples under the apple tree or hold up an apple and point to the correct tree. That would require a small orchard obviously, but the same could be done with acorns. This is a form of critical thinking hardly needing to be taught. How do we know what fruit is on the tree? Look and see!

But although this may be innate, even for the blind using taste and smell, it is something that can be compromised with disingenuous teaching methods and a destructive agenda.

Proverbs 1:1-7 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel; To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding; To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity; To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: to understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Who are the fools today? Information by itself is not much good without the critical thinking skills needed to evaluate that information. The apple tree shows quite well that what is obvious can be evaluated easily by direct observation using the senses. And yet despite the evidence, after decades of a frankly criminal agenda, falsehoods far beyond the lie that oranges grow on apple trees are swallowed holus-bolus with devastating outcomes when such ununderstanding is applied in the real world.

A decade may not seem much in the scheme of things. But the first ten years of education are foundational for all subsequent studies. In twenty years, two generations will be blasted. Let's say this degradation of America's foundation began in 1970, just after the flower-power generation became qualified teachers, inundated with disdain for a nation's preeminence and the solid foundation upon which it was built. 70-80-90-2000-10-20- how many generations deep is this garbage by now? To what extent and where has it spread its ruin? A simple enough question to answer. But do they want you to see it? Do they want you to join the dots? No. That is the difference between knowledge and understanding.

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.