[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Hippocrates was the first man to think about medicine in a scientific light, before that all the old practices where based on the principles of religion (which lets be fair isn't going to help you much)


So religion before that did hold back medicine. Hell early religion would have called for smashing a hole in your head to let the 'evil spirits' out when you had a headache....

Please show us exactly how a religion prior to Hippocrates actually held back medicine. The fact that people hadn't figured out medicine before his time doesn't mean that someone was holding them back.

Why don't you look up ancient Egyptian medicine? Pre-Hippocrates, yet they were using aspirin (willow bark) and other treatments we still use today, and which have been "proven" by your "scienticians" to work. Do you deny that they had a strong demon-worshipping and God-hating religion?[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Someone told me religious warring killed more people then any other, so I brought up the figures of religious and non-religious wars, non-religious wars have caused much more death.

Therefore, rather then the "religious" people to be to blame for war deaths, the non-religious people are, what do we call non-religious people? Atheists.

And what do we call Catholics like Hitler? Mary-worshipping, idolatrous, hellbound Catholics. That's why all his soldiers wore belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns". It's not asking whether they had their handgear, but rather stating their belief that God was with them.



Your claims of Hitler and all other major war-leaders in hostory being atheist is laughable. Why, there are more happy emos than there are atheists!!

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

And what do we call Catholics like Hitler? Mary-worshipping, idolatrous, hellbound Catholics. That's why all his soldiers wore belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns". It's not asking whether they had their handgear, but rather stating their belief that God was with them.

War wasn't fought over religion, only the holocaust, that's only 6m of the 72m deaths.

Even if you want to excluse ww2, that still doesn't bring the figures level. Atheist wars kill more people, go check.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

War wasn't fought over religion, only the holocaust, that's only 6m of the 72m deaths.

Even if you want to excluse ww2, that still doesn't bring the figures level. Atheist wars kill more people, go check.

You haven't shown me a SINGLE war fought by atheists!!

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

72,000,000[2] World War II - 6,000,000 jews if you like.
36,000,000[5] An Shi Rebellion
60,000,000[7] Mongol Conquests
25,000,000 Manchu conquest of the Ming Dynasty
30,000,000 [10] Taiping Rebellion
19,000,000 World War I.
9,000,000[14] Russian Civil War

This is a list of the worlds bloodiest wars with wiki links, preceded by their estimated death tolls, in bold are the religious totals, not in bold are the atheist totals.

God as motive for war, 36m (including holocaust). God not as motive for war, 136m.

That is just the bloodiest wars, believe me, most other wars with death dolls below this are also not religiously motivated too.

Frankly, the Taiping Rebellion was hardly about God. Hong Xiuquan was just pretending to be Jesus's brother to start a bunch of violence. He's very like a Catholic, ACTUAL Christianity barely enters his mind, and he spends most of his time just using it to control people.

[JennyD]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

God as motive for war, 36m (including holocaust). God not as motive for war, 136m.

That is just the bloodiest wars, believe me, most other wars with death dolls below this are also not religiously motivated too.

Frankly, the Taiping Rebellion was hardly about God. Hong Xiuquan was just pretending to be Jesus's brother to start a bunch of violence. He's very like a Catholic, ACTUAL Christianity barely enters his mind, and he spends most of his time just using it to control people.

I don't know much about "death dolls", but I'd say using religion to control people makes for a False Christian war, not an atheist war.

An atheist war would be one in which no religion is invoked, not where your OPINION is that the leader was not sincere in his professed faith!

[snottyduck]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

And what do we call Catholics like Hitler? Mary-worshipping, idolatrous, hellbound Catholics. That's why all his soldiers wore belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns". It's not asking whether they had their handgear, but rather stating their belief that God was with them.



Your claims of Hitler and all other major war-leaders in hostory being atheist is laughable. Why, there are more happy emos than there are atheists!!

Wrong, those who served under the Waffen-SS and SS Didn't have the "Gott Mit Uns" belt, they used another type with no markings toward God.

[Herr_Doktor Phd.]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Wrong, those who served under the Waffen-SS and SS Didn't have the "Gott Mit Uns" belt, they used another type with no markings toward God.

I'll keep this simple Mr. Smarty Pance. Then why was the official Nazi religion "believer unto God"? Besides 95 per cent of German troops wore those buckles in both wars.

Even more, those of the SS that did not follow the state official religion were mixed up in some type of Woten worship.

So what's your point besides demonstrating to us yet again your Nazi sympathies?

[Mark Vi]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

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The theory of the four humours was the first breakthrough in medical scientific thinking, Yes... it was wrong. But it was still the turning point for modern day medicine.
How can something that even you say was wrong be a turning point?


Clearly my knowledge of history is better than yours good sir.

Before hippocrates's theory of the four humours the general thoughts and attitudes towards illness's where that they where caused by spirits / gods / past sins etc. All completely wrong.

The theory of the four humours was the first time that medicine was looked at in a scientific way and was the turning point for modern medicine.

Mark Vi

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

I don't know much about "death dolls", but I'd say using religion to control people makes for a False Christian war, not an atheist war.

An atheist war would be one in which no religion is invoked, not where your OPINION is that the leader was not sincere in his professed faith!

Yeah that is why I counted the Taiping Rebellion as religious.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Yeah that is why I counted the Taiping Rebellion as religious.

Show me wars where religion was not involved.

You, sir, are being disingenuous. You call a war an "atheist war" if the specific reason for the war is not "invasion to promote the Word of God".

An "atheist war" would be a war fought by atheists and without invoking of religion. Essentially EVERY war involves the invocation of religion, whether we are talking about the Nazis' holy war to cleanse Europe of the Jewish pestilence or the American crusade against Islamofascists.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Show me wars where religion was not involved.

You, sir, are being disingenuous. You call a war an "atheist war" if the specific reason for the war is not "invasion to promote the Word of God".

An "atheist war" would be a war fought by atheists and without invoking of religion. Essentially EVERY war involves the invocation of religion, whether we are talking about the Nazis' holy war to cleanse Europe of the Jewish pestilence or the American crusade against Islamofascists.

I'm sorry this is like the 3rd time I've sat here telling you the same thing, I get the feeling you are under 18....

Oh well, I'm not here to play guessing games:


72,000,000[2] World War II - 6,000,000 jews in the holocaust.
36,000,000[5] An Shi Rebellion
60,000,000[7] Mongol Conquests
25,000,000 Manchu conquest of the Ming Dynasty
30,000,000 [10] Taiping Rebellion
19,000,000 World War I.
9,000,000[14] Russian Civil War


136m deaths from non-religious wars is bigger then 36m in religiously motivated conflict. I notice you like to wait for me to post a further message to someone else without these figures included in the so you can pretend they don't exist. Funny.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

I'm sorry this is like the 3rd time I've sat here telling you the same thing, I get the feeling you are under 18....

Oh well, I'm not here to play guessing games:


72,000,000[2] World War II - 6,000,000 jews in the holocaust.
36,000,000[5] An Shi Rebellion
60,000,000[7] Mongol Conquests
25,000,000 Manchu conquest of the Ming Dynasty
30,000,000 [10] Taiping Rebellion
19,000,000 World War I.
9,000,000[14] Russian Civil War

DIMWIT, these are not "atheist wars".

How many times must I tell you the same thing?

An "atheist war" would be a war fought without invoking religion. Religion was invoked in WWII, by both the Nazis (Gott Mit Uns, the Holy Crusade to destroy the Jewish pestilence) and the Allies. How can that be an "atheist war"?

Do you claim the Mongols had no religion? The Chinese had no religion?

Communist revolutions are atheist wars. That's about it.

In essentially every other case, the prime motivation for the leaders may have been resources or territory -- which does NOT mean they are atheists, it means they are Satanists or False Christians -- but the prime motivation for the warriors was (and is) religion.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

DIMWIT, these are not "atheist wars".

How many times must I tell you the same thing?

An "atheist war" would be a war fought without invoking religion. Religion was invoked in WWII, by both the Nazis (Gott Mit Uns, the Holy Crusade to destroy the Jewish pestilence) and the Allies. How can that be an "atheist war"?

Do you claim the Mongols had no religion? The Chinese had no religion?

Communist revolutions are atheist wars. That's about it.

In essentially every other case, the prime motivation for the leaders may have been resources or territory -- which does NOT mean they are atheists, it means they are Satanists or False Christians -- but the prime motivation for the warriors was (and is) religion.

If a catholic punches a catholic for stealing his banana, is that a religious conflict? No, same if you add in another religion, say a catholic punches a hindu for stealing his banana.

If the catholic punched the hindu "in the name of god, because god demanded it and the hindu should be catholic" then yeah that's bringing religion into it.

I've granted you that the holocaust was a religious conflict, but WW2 certainly wasn't. The war was a political war. Like all the others bar the taiping, that I've listed.

However if your definition is so vague that you were saying "if a person is religious and they enter into a conflict, it is automatically a religious conflict" even if the motivation, like the wars I've listed, was not religious, but were political, that is STILL a religious conflict, I'd agree with you.

But then I'd point you your definition is too vague. And frankly, you'd be trolling me. I know I'd be feeding the troll, but if it is in the name of Christ, I'll do it all day.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

If a catholic punches a catholic for stealing his banana, is that a religious conflict? No, same if you add in another religion, say a catholic punches a hindu for stealing his banana.

If the catholic punched the hindu "in the name of god, because god demanded it and the hindu should be catholic" then yeah that's bringing religion into it.

No, I'm saying that if a Hindu stole a Christian's banana, and the Christian called up thousands of troops to destroy the Hindu's country because they were God-hating heathens as evidenced by the Hindu's theft of the banana, then it's not an "atheist" conflict. It is a religiously-motivated conflict, at least in the eyes of the on-the-ground participants.

Get it yet? Are you really that slow, or are you just being obstinate for lack of anything better to do? I know from your other posts that your motivation has nothing to do with Christ, so don't try that nonsense with me, son!

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

No, I'm saying that if a Hindu stole a Christian's banana, and the Christian called up thousands of troops to destroy the Hindu's country because they were God-hating heathens as evidenced by the Hindu's theft of the banana, then it's not an "atheist" conflict. It is a religiously-motivated conflict, at least in the eyes of the on-the-ground participants.

Get it yet? Are you really that slow, or are you just being obstinate for lack of anything better to do? I know from your other posts that your motivation has nothing to do with Christ, so don't try that nonsense with me, son!

Hah, my dear boy, you describe merely the second sentence of my post. Yes, if he rounded up an army to kill a bunch of hindus because they were God hating heathens yes, that's a religious conflict.

But WW2 (bar holocaust) for example certainly wasn't a religious conflict. The war was a political war. Like all the others bar the taiping, that I've listed.

However if your definition is so vague that you were saying "if a person is religious and they enter into a conflict, it is automatically a religious conflict" even if the motivation, like the wars I've listed, was not religious, but were political, that is STILL a religious conflict, I'd agree with you.

But then I'd point you your definition is too vague. And frankly, you'd be trolling me. I know I'd be feeding the troll, but if it is in the name of Christ, I'll do it all day.