[agnesaliencat]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

You could say that, as our current north star wasn't the north star a million years ago, and it won't be in a million years time.

[Basilissa]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Because everything is moving. Also, the north star changes once every few thousand years, as Earth's poles aren't stationary.

You could say that, as our current north star wasn't the north star a million years ago, and it won't be in a million years time.

Are you suggesting that once in a while, a different star jumps into that central position?



God is always right indeed - all atheists are fools:

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

[agnesaliencat]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Are you suggesting that once in a while, a different star jumps into that central position?



God is always right indeed - all atheists are fools:

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Yes.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Yes.

Hello Miss Agnes.


I appreciate your effort to defend science, but if you really want to try to jump into a conversation about astronomy, you should read up on the subject first.

Within the current theoretical framework accepted in mainstream astronomy, there is nothing special about the North Star. What I'm trying to say is that at some other points of the solar system history, there might be no visible star - magnitude 6 or brighter - at all in that central spot.


Furthermore, the fact that there is or isn't a star in that location has nothing to do with the Earth's poles, but everything with the movement of stars within the galaxy. You are confusing here two different concepts: the geographical poles, which are due to the permanent tilt of the Earth, and the magnetic poles, which do move around quite vigorously and even reverse once in a while - but have nothing to do with what star is visible where on the night sky.


Basically, what I'm trying to say is this: please try to stop making atheists look stupid.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Because everything is moving. Also, the north star changes once every few thousand years, as Earth's poles aren't stationary.

Think again, young lady. The Earth only has one pole as the so called South Pole could only exist in the long debunked round Earth theory.

If the North Pole (which does exist- just ask the Eskimos who live in Alaska) were to wobble the disc of the Earth would fall off.

All True Christians(tm) know that not only does the earth have a boundary it also has a center. Since trees grow only on the earth's surface, the earth's center must also be on its surface. A sphere has its center beneath its surface which means that the earth is not a sphere but some sort of flat plane.

This raises another question. What is the shape of the earth's boundary? Your silence is telling

Job 26:10 He has described a circle upon the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness

Checkmate, Atheist.

YIC

[agnesaliencat]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

If I'm so clueless about astronomy, then why do I know about Tabby's Star? Why wasn't I surprised when a star was recently discovered that is over 9 billion light years away? Why wasn't I surprised when planets were observed orbiting a star in a distant galaxy? How do I know about the lymen alpha blobs which are said to assist in the creation of galaxies? Would that be because I actually listened when astronomers were talking and didn't take a book to be true just because it says that it's true? The answer is yes.

And for the millionth time, I'm not an atheist (I'm agnostic).

Not just that, but you should know by know that there are billions of galaxies (each with billions of planets in them), so the chance of life only happening on one specific planet in one specific galaxy is incredibly slim. Also, why is it that some of our planets have a retrograde orbit?

[agnesaliencat]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Think again, young lady. The Earth only has one pole as the so called South Pole could only exist in the long debunked round Earth theory.

If the North Pole (which does exist- just ask the Eskimos who live in Alaska) were to wobble the disc of the Earth would fall off.

The phrase "the midst of the earth" from Daniel implies that not only does the earth have a boundary it also has a center. Since trees grow only on the earth's surface, the earth's center must also be on its surface. A sphere has its center beneath its surface which means that the earth is not a sphere but some sort of plane geometric figure. This raises another question. What is the shape of the earth's boundary?

Job 26:10 He has described a circle upon the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness

Checkmate, Atheist.

YIC

If the south pole exists, then so does the north pole, because it's a freakin' magnet, and you need both in order for the magnet to work. Did you not learn that in elementary school?

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

If I'm so clueless about astronomy, then why do I know about Tabby's Star? Why wasn't I surprised when a star was recently discovered that is over 9 billion light years away? Why wasn't I surprised when planets were observed orbiting a star in a distant galaxy? How do I know about the lymen alpha blobs which are said to assist in the creation of galaxies? Would that be because I actually listened when astronomers were talking and didn't take a book to be true just because it says that it's true? The answer is yes.

That's great, Miss Agnes. If this was an astronomy forum, I would love to engage in a polite conversation with you about exoplanets and such.


I hope you found my explanation about North Star helpful, then?

And for the millionth time, I'm not an atheist (I'm agnostic).

I apologize, but being an agnostic rather than an atheist still does not excuse your ignorance on the subject of the geographical vs. magnetic poles.

Also, why is it that some of our planets have a retrograde orbit?

Oh, so you are capable of understanding the issue of planets being tilted one way or another. Hence, your previous statement about different stars being at the central spot due to change in poles sounds even more ridiculous now!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

A million year ago!

Billions of light years away!

You're too funny, agnesaliencat! I'm afraid you've got my friends April Fooled!

I know it's a joke because there was no "million years ago," and no star is so far away that it takes light billions of years to see it. I know because I can see it and I'm not a billion years old!

[agnesaliencat]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

A million year ago!

Billions of light years away!

You're too funny, agnesaliencat! I'm afraid you've got my friends April Fooled!

I know it's a joke because there was no "million years ago," and no star is so far away that it takes light billions of years to see it. I know because I can see it and I'm not a billion years old!

The rays of light from the sun take eight minutes to get to us, so you're seeing the sun as it was eight minutes ago. Add billions of years on, and of course you won't see said object because the light hasn't reached us yet. It's funny you say that there was no "millions of years", as the Milky Way is about 13.4 billion years old, and our solar system is about 4 billion years old, although life has only existed here for about half that time, and the earliest human fossils that were found were from humans that lived 300,000 years ago (a lot longer than what's mentioned in certain books that can't seem to agree on even the most basic of things).

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

...Furthermore, the fact that there is or isn't a star in that location has nothing to do with the Earth's poles, but everything with the movement of stars within the galaxy...

Actually, you're both wrong.

[agnesaliencat]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Actually, you're both wrong.

Show me where I was wrong.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Show me where I was wrong.

When you agreed with the ridiculous proposition that a "new star jumps into the spot".


You want to teach? Great. Go learn first.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Actually, you're both wrong.

Thank you, Mr. Much. You have greatly expanded my understanding of precession.

Show me where I was wrong.

Well, you should have said that you meant precession from the start, and you should have not said this:

You could say that, as our current north star wasn't the north star a million years ago, and it won't be in a million years time.

...since the precession cycle goes in 26,000 years rather than in millions.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

The rays of light from the sun take eight minutes to get to us, so you're seeing the sun as it was eight minutes ago.

That is obviously untrue. If I go outside now and look at the sun I don’t to wait eight minutes until I can see the sun.

The same is if I went indoors from being out of the sun into my prayer closet: it does not take eight minutes for the sun to vanish: it just goes away when I go indoors.

Unless you are talking about early in the morning eight minutes before the sun comes up: then I can see how I would have to wait eight minutes.

That’s the only way it would make sense.

YIC