[Dr Laurence Niles]

I'm only sorry you live now, and not 100 from now when space travel will (hopefully) be available for everyone, so you could see the space for yourself. But with a bit of luck.....who knows ?

Don't get your hopes up, pal. When I was going up (in the late 70s) I was led to believe by so called 'scientist' that we would be living on the Moon and driving flying cars.

Now, I still live on Earth and I drive a Honda

The only thing that ever made a lick of sense, to me is the Bible (KJV 1611)! It's never been found to be wrong and never will!

Shout Glory!!!
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[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Friend, I just had dinner, and maybe this is just the potatoes au gratin talking, but I'm a little calmer now. I don't expect you to understand our view of the world. But I'll try to put it in perspective for you.

Imagine you were a child that lived with a wonderful gentle uncle in a giant and cozy doorless and windowless house. Your uncle took care of absolutely everything for you! You never had to go outside, and you had everything you needed to eat and things were just perfect.

If you had any questions, you'd just ask your uncle. And you'd believe what he told you, wouldn't you? He took care of you, kept you warm, and gave you all you could want. Why would he lie? And who would you be to contradict him? To do that would be amazingly presumptuous of you, for as to him, you are just an ignorant child.

I'm sure by now you see where I'm going with this, but just in case you're not paying attention, True Christians™ are as little children before our Almighty God. And all of our questions have already been answered by our "Uncle God" in His Complete and Unabridged Guide to Life®, the King James Bible, v1611. Does that make it any clearer son?

I'm not your son. If you call me "son" it doesn't mean you're wiser than me. And no, it's not at lest any clearer. You told me a story, a fiction of your imagination. I asked simple and plain questions. Here, I'll ask one again, please try to stay on subject : if the earth is flat and the sun is only 500 miles above, how come there is day and night on different parts of the world at the same time ?
I'm waiting patiently for your answer.

Actually, I answered you quite well. Why you go asking questions that are utterly consequential in the grand scheme of things is beyond me. God created scientific observation to make you look foolish. You hunt after some sort of truth as to what's around you when the only thing that matters is obeying God. You are distracted by wanting to know all of these questions (which are answered in the Bible), and when you are given your answer, you still aren't satisfied. You reject the word of Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

There are only two options in life. Read the Bible, cover to cover, and follow it to the letter, or burn in eternal Hellfire. Which are you going to choose? I pray you choose Christ!

I'm sorry, but you haven't answered me at all. Like I said, I raised a point where your bible can't help you come with a logic answer. See question above.

Hi Mr. Myself!

I've read most of your posts and you seem soooooooooooo mad!

How come? Why do you care so much?

And you say we can't prove all that stuff, but neither can you. You say the sun is like a million billion zillion miles aways, right? Well, PROVE IT! I'll wait.
See, you can't, right? At least we have the King James Bible that says that we are going to HEAVEN to be with JESUS.

What do you get to do when you die?

Here, let me give you a hint - - -> '

I'm not at all mad, it's the frustration that you mistakenly think it's anger.
So, you want me to prove that the sun is million miles away. Oh, challenge accepted. If the sun is fixed on the firmament and so is the moon, that means the firmament moves (rotates), right ? And also, if the sun and the moon are fixed on the SAME firmament, that means the distance BETWEEN them is constant, right ? I'm pretty sure you're following me so far. So, if the distance between is constant, how would you explain the eclipse ? You do know what an eclipse is, I give that much credit. But just to be sure everyone gets it, an eclipse is earth, moon and sun on the same line, with moon placed between earth and sun. But wait, the sun and the moon are fixed on the same firmament, so how is this possible ?
The sun is further away than the moon. And pretty sure million miles away...
Now I'm waiting for an answer from you...

You are wrong because you disagree with the Bible.

Like I said, this is not an answer. I could easily say the bible is wrong. You haven't been there when is was written, so you don't know. You know how I know ? Because I wasn't there, you weren't there, and there is NOTHING you know that I don't, because you don't posses special powers that I don't. You simply read a book and decided to believe it. THAT my friend is not a proof that its true.

Don't get your hopes up, pal. When I was going up (in the late 70s) I was led to believe by so called 'scientist' that we would be living on the Moon and driving flying cars.

Now, I still live on Earth and I drive a Honda

The only thing that ever made a lick of sense, to me is the Bible (KJV 1611)! It's never been found to be wrong and never will!

Shout Glory!!!
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You know, the thing is, back then, the scientists were dreaming at a faster rate of progress. Flying cars are possible, but not very practical with today's technology. And also, living on the moon IS possible, but not very convenient, as the moon has a weak gravitational field, and there is no air.
Be glad you still live on earth, because if the day comes when humans would have to consider moving on a different planet, that means the earth has become an uninhabitable place. And at the rate forests are gone, that day will come....
Hondas are reliable, good choice.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I'm not your son. If you call me "son" it doesn't mean you're wiser than me. And no, it's not at lest any clearer. You told me a story, a fiction of your imagination. I asked simple and plain questions. Here, I'll ask one again, please try to stay on subject : if the earth is flat and the sun is only 500 miles above, how come there is day and night on different parts of the world at the same time ?
I'm waiting patiently for your answer.

Day and night are created by God and are totally independent of the position of the Sun so He can vary it however He wants to. As you can see day and night were created before the Sun.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:



As you can see God created the Sun to help us as a timing device. The fact you can see the Sun during the day is totally coincidental.


YIC


Jack

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I'm not at all mad, it's the frustration that you mistakenly think it's anger.
So, you want me to prove that the sun is million miles away. Oh, challenge accepted. If the sun is fixed on the firmament and so is the moon, that means the firmament moves (rotates), right ? And also, if the sun and the moon are fixed on the SAME firmament, that means the distance BETWEEN them is constant, right ? I'm pretty sure you're following me so far. So, if the distance between is constant, how would you explain the eclipse ? You do know what an eclipse is, I give that much credit. But just to be sure everyone gets it, an eclipse is earth, moon and sun on the same line, with moon placed between earth and sun. But wait, the sun and the moon are fixed on the same firmament, so how is this possible ?
The sun is further away than the moon. And pretty sure million miles away...
Now I'm waiting for an answer from you...

There is nothing to say that celestial objects can't move independently around the firmament. This is clear from this photo that was taken just before Saturn went in front of the Moon.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Saturn is so small. Probably not much larger than a Buick.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Like I said, this is not an answer. I could easily say the bible is wrong.

Then you would be wrong.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I'm not at all mad, it's the frustration that you mistakenly think it's anger.
So, you want me to prove that the sun is million miles away. Oh, challenge accepted. If the sun is fixed on the firmament and so is the moon, that means the firmament moves (rotates), right ? And also, if the sun and the moon are fixed on the SAME firmament, that means the distance BETWEEN them is constant, right ? I'm pretty sure you're following me so far. So, if the distance between is constant, how would you explain the eclipse ? You do know what an eclipse is, I give that much credit. But just to be sure everyone gets it, an eclipse is earth, moon and sun on the same line, with moon placed between earth and sun. But wait, the sun and the moon are fixed on the same firmament, so how is this possible ?
The sun is further away than the moon. And pretty sure million miles away...
Now I'm waiting for an answer from you...

Son, you don't understand the LORD at all, do you?

Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
Joshua 10:12

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Job 38:4-13

Do you honestly think the Good LORD can speak all of creation into existence, command the sun to stand still, take charge of when the tides go in, the tide goes out, but not manipulate the eclipse for us?

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

There is nothing to say that celestial objects can't move independently around the firmament. This is clear from this photo that was taken just before Saturn went in front of the Moon.

Jack, honestly, your lack of common sense amazes me with every post you make. So now the celestial bodies can move about i=on the firmament, and no longer are fixed on it ? Just to clear that up, because if you say the bible doesn't say about them being fixed, you contradict yourself, your fellow christians and the bible itself.
Now, let's just say they CAN move about....the firmament is above the flat earth and it's shaped like a glass dome if you will (in all of those pictures you all posted here, it sure looks like a dome). If that's the case here, and your picture was indeed accurate, how can a celestial body hide behind another celestial body (or go in front of one, same thing) ? That means the firmament it does not have the shape you all say it does.
So Jack, which one is it ? Can you make up your mind, or you'll hide behind "god does whatever he wants" like you always do, and shove some bible verse down my throat ?
Oh, and about the picture you've posted, please, enlighten me, where was it taken ? Did you take it ? Were you there ? Do you know it is not photo-shopped ? I truly believe the picture is real and was taken either from space or using a powerful telescope, but can I be sure ? No. Can you ?

Saturn is so small. Probably not much larger than a Buick.

James, that made my giggle like a school girl, thank you for that, I had a hard day at work and I needed that smile...

Then you would be wrong.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Of course I'd be wrong. But who's to say I'm wrong ? You ? Can you prove me wrong ? Without using a book you read, but by using your own logic ?
I highly doubt it...

Son, you don't understand the LORD at all, do you?

Do you honestly think the Good LORD can speak all of creation into existence, command the sun to stand still, take charge of when the tides go in, the tide goes out, but not manipulate the eclipse for us?

Mama, this is not about the lord, or about the understanding the lord, because if it were, you should be the first to admit you don't understand it, and you don't know how it works, as he works in mysterious ways that you don't understand. By accepting it, it does not mean you understand it. Just wanted to clear that up.
Now, this is not the topic here, as I don't care if you understand it nor not, it is not my problem, and it doesn't concern me. Everyone is entitled to believe in whatever he/she wants.
All I was asking is : if it was for the sun and the moon to be fixed on the firmament, how do you think eclipses occur ?
Here, let me start it for you : son, with my understanding of the bible and my knowledge of the physics, I think there are two firmaments, like two separate layers, and the moon is foxed on the lower one, and the sun is fixed on the upper one, and the move independently. (Keep in mind, this is only an example, I'm not implying you should say or believe any of this.)
See ? Now THAT would be "trying to use reason" and actually explain how YOU BELIEVE it works. It may not be true, but at least you've tried. And I can appreciate that.
All the unsaved trash have tried to explain where you were wrong, I think you should try to explain where they were wrong.
Again, saying "the bible is true, you'll burn in hell" is not at all an explanation.
Have a good day mama.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Jack, honestly, your lack of common sense amazes me with every post you make. So now the celestial bodies can move about i=on the firmament, and no longer are fixed on it ? Just to clear that up, because if you say the bible doesn't say about them being fixed, you contradict yourself, your fellow christians and the bible itself.
Now, let's just say they CAN move about....the firmament is above the flat earth and it's shaped like a glass dome if you will (in all of those pictures you all posted here, it sure looks like a dome).

Ezekiel 1:23
And under the firmament were their wings straight

Ezekiel 1:26
And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne.

Ezekiel 10:1
Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head

Not on the firmament. Clearly there is a below, an above and an in. The celestial bodies can freely move within the shell of the firmament.


And yes I have watched transits and occultations. I watched the transit of Venus in 2004 and seeing Venus creep across the disc of the Sun within the firmament was a moment I will never forget.

YIC

Jack

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Mama, this is not about the lord, or about the understanding the lord, because if it were, you should be the first to admit you don't understand it, and you don't know how it works, as he works in mysterious ways that you don't understand. By accepting it, it does not mean you understand it. Just wanted to clear that up.

But it is about our LORD. Everything is about Him because He is the Creator of all. You don't need to understand every detail to know He exists and should be exalted and that one day every knee shall bow to Him, and every tongue shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11) Your coming here to persecute and mock us shall not go unjustified. You shall burn in Hell unless you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. (Romans 10:9)

All I was asking is : if it was for the sun and the moon to be fixed on the firmament, how do you think eclipses occur ?

Did you actually read what I posted? God speaks the eclipses into existence.

Again, saying "the bible is true, you'll burn in hell" is not at all an explanation.
Have a good day mama.

Saying the Bible is true is an explanation because it explains that God spoke the sun and the moon and the tides and the air and every beast and fowl into existence just the way we see them today. The warning of Hell is for your own good. We are not heartless just because God cannot stand to look upon your wretched, crusty soul. Once you believe Jesus Christ died for a weekend and was raised from the dead, then God can stand to look at you (because He sees the blood of Jesus, not your sorry soul) and you will be allowed into Heaven with the rest of us True Christians™ to sing the praises of our Redeemer for ever and ever and ever, Hallelujah!!!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

[/INDENT]Of course I'd be wrong. But who's to say I'm wrong ? You ? Can you prove me wrong ? Without using a book you read, but by using your own logic ?
I highly doubt it...

That's easy. No were outside The Bible does God correct The Bible. If fact God make NO comment what so ever about The Bible outside The Bible.

Logically then God is satisfied with The Bible, The Bible is correct and you are wrong.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Did you actually read what I posted? God speaks the eclipses into existence.

Absolutely Sister. Also He can make partial eclipses,

Revelation 8:12
And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Glory!

Jack

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Ezekiel 1:23
And under the firmament were their wings straight

Ezekiel 1:26
And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne.

Ezekiel 10:1
Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head

Not on the firmament. Clearly there is a below, an above and an in. The celestial bodies can freely move within the shell of the firmament.


And yes I have watched transits and occultations. I watched the transit of Venus in 2004 and seeing Venus creep across the disc of the Sun within the firmament was a moment I will never forget.

YIC

Jack

Oh, now they all are INSIDE of the firmament ? Now that explains it all, now I believe everything. Have you seen the firmament ? It is trans-lucid ? Look very closely at the bottom, does it say "made in China" ?
I think I'm done talking to you...

But it is about our LORD. Everything is about Him because He is the Creator of all. You don't need to understand every detail to know He exists and should be exalted and that one day every knee shall bow to Him, and every tongue shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11) Your coming here to persecute and mock us shall not go unjustified. You shall burn in Hell unless you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. (Romans 10:9)
Did you actually read what I posted? God speaks the eclipses into existence.
Saying the Bible is true is an explanation because it explains that God spoke the sun and the moon and the tides and the air and every beast and fowl into existence just the way we see them today. The warning of Hell is for your own good. We are not heartless just because God cannot stand to look upon your wretched, crusty soul. Once you believe Jesus Christ died for a weekend and was raised from the dead, then God can stand to look at you (because He sees the blood of Jesus, not your sorry soul) and you will be allowed into Heaven with the rest of us True Christians™ to sing the praises of our Redeemer for ever and ever and ever, Hallelujah!!!

You cannot scare me with your hell as I do not believe in hell. It's just nonsense to me. Believe in what you want, but it slowly starting to amuse me how you all avoid answering to my questions. Clearly you don't know anything, so you rely on one single book.
It's not even worth my time, I'll go watch The Science Channel.

That's easy. No were outside The Bible does God correct The Bible. If fact God make NO comment what so ever about The Bible outside The Bible.

Logically then God is satisfied with The Bible, The Bible is correct and you are wrong.

I can see you're home schooled by the lack of your spelling skills.
It's not in the bible, that means it's not true, right ?
Check this out, I can use the same logic : pics or it didn't happen. You like that ?

A question comes to mind.....what if one of you hits the jackpot and gets enough cash so he can buy a trip into outerspace ? When he comes back and tells you that you were wrong all this time, and the earth is indeed round, and the sun is indeed faaaaaaar away, would you believe him ? It's a simple yes or no question......does someone dare to answer ?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Help me out here: we didn't go over "trans-lucid" when I was home-schooled. What does that mean?



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Brother Helge]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

It's not in the bible, that means it's not true, right ?

That is not correct.
There are a lot of stuff that is not mentioned in the Holy Bible (KJV1611) that does exist anyway, such as hamburgers and handguns.

But anything that contradicts the Bible (KJV1611) is obviously false.