[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Questions of evolution

[...]if you can prove the existance of god in less than 25 words without reffering to the bible.

or indeed if you can prove any substantial scientific theory without refering to a science book...

[raindown]

Re: Questions of evolution

Psalms:97:4: His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled. God made electricity.

Why did he only made electricity in modern days, when humans descovered it?

Exodus 15:26: "...If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee." God gives and cures illness.

Is your doctor a man of God? Or do you only turn to God when you're ill?

Everything falls down, it’s natural, it requires no laws.

Can you please prove it,
just like you expect others to prove the theory of evolution?

There are none as blind as those who will not see.

[MarkHenry]

Re: Questions of evolution

or indeed if you can prove any substantial scientific theory without refering to a science book...

yes i could, go out, do measurements, find a law. However this is about biology so please excuse my interruption and treat it as if you had not read it.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Questions of evolution

Why did he only made electricity in modern days, when humans descovered it?

Can you imagine what would have happened if a caveman had had electricity revealed to him? He would have electrocuted himself. God reveals these things when we are ready and not before.

Is your doctor a man of God?

I don't have a doctor.

Or do you only turn to God when you're ill?

Who else?

Gravity:

Can you please prove it,

I accept it, I require no proof, things fall - period.

just like you expect others to prove the theory of evolution?

I would not expect anyone to prove a theory that is known to be false.

[raindown]

Re: Questions of evolution

Ezekiel,
Why then, do you accept the theory of gravity and not the theory of evolution?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Questions of evolution

I accept that things fall down. I cannot see why a falling rock would mean that chimpanzees became men.

[Rev Jeffrey Lebowski]

Re: Questions of evolution

Originally Posted by MarkHenry Biology nowerdays is all about math.
But please let the topic starter prove the theroy of evolution in less than 25 words, if you can prove the existance of god in less than 25 words without reffering to the bible.

Hummmm , how much math is there in dissecting an earth worm?
Show me ya scalpelistic equations (points will be deducted from the final grade iffen' you don't' show your work)
So it's the famous mathematicians show me yours first and then I show you mine argument.
REMINDER: you are the guest here. YOU have come in here argueing what you think is a point, it is therfer behoovent on you to start the proving first.

Originally Posted by raindown Therory by definition is something that is yet to be proved.
A science, for that matter, works with theories -

Ergo sum sumtin, If science is defined as working with theories that YET are to be proved, then Science has yet to be proved as work.

Rev Jeffrey Lebowski
Sister Verna Too {she thinks you 2 guys might be dorm mates}

[raindown]

Re: Questions of evolution

Can you imagine what would have happened if a caveman had had electricity revealed to him? He would have electrocuted himself.

How are we different from the people described in the early days of the bible if we all follow the same ultimate and only truth, the truth revealed by God in the Holy Bible?

[raindown]

Re: Questions of evolution

I accept that things fall down. I cannot see why a falling rock would mean that chimpanzees became men.

The Theory of evolution does not claim that chimpanzees became men.

I am only saying that the law of gravity was first described by scientists. Or was it mentioned in the bible?


I believe that you simply accept the law of gravity because you encounter it in everyday life.
Do you only believe in things that you eperience yourself? I wouldn't expect so.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Questions of evolution

How are we different from the people described in the early days of the bible if we all follow the same ultimate and only truth, the truth revealed by God in the Holy Bible?

I think you have answered your own question - Only True Christians(tm) follow God's Revealed Truth.

The Theory of evolution does not claim that chimpanzees became men.

It doesn't say that gravity and evolution are related but you seem to think they are.

I am only saying that the law of gravity was first described by scientists. Or was it mentioned in the bible?

You mean that before some atheist invented gravity, we all floated around? Check your facts, things have always fallen down.

I believe that you simply accept the law of gravity because you encounter it in everyday life.

You keep saying that as if I could agree with something invented. I never said I recognized the law of gravity, I said I recognized things fell down.

Do you only believe in things that you eperience yourself? I wouldn't expect so.

No, if God says they are so, then they are.

[raindown]

Re: Questions of evolution

Hummmm , how much math is there in dissecting an earth worm?
Show me ya scalpelistic equations (points will be deducted from the final grade iffen' you don't' show your work)
So it's the famous mathematicians show me yours first and then I show you mine argument.
REMINDER: you are the guest here. YOU have come in here argueing what you think is a point, it is therfer behoovent on you to start the proving first.

Ergo sum sumtin, If science is defined as working with theories that YET are to be proved, then Science has yet to be proved as work.

Rev Jeffrey Lebowski
Sister Verna Too {she thinks you 2 guys might be dorm mates}

I bet being dorm-mates with Mark would be nice.



Something being a theory doesn't mean it cannot be close enough to a law to be treated as one. I only said that it cannot be PROVEN.

I'm sure that you follow the rules of God without having to have it proved to you.

I don't beleve in science as one would believe in God, as I had to see and experience some things for myself - but once I did, I believe in it.



New breeds of vegetables are enough to prove that evolutions exists. when a farmer wants to create a new breed of tomato, he chooses the most red tomato on his bush and plants its seeds.
the seeds will grow a more red kind of tomato.
if he'll do that a few times, after a few generations, he will have a new breed of beautiful red tomatos.

the same is with evolution, only instead of man, nature made the selection.

If being tall helped the girraffe reach food that was on high trees, then the tallest girraffes survived and so gave birth to taller offsprings. You're surely aware that children are physically much like their parents.
Many, many generations of such 'selection' might create an animal that's a little different. such process takes millions of years.

[MarkHenry]

Re: Questions of evolution

Answering the question directed to me:
Math in an earthworm.
If you want to cut up an earthworm there is no math. If you want to investigate it, you will cut it up (the blade you use to cut it was crafted, on the basis of physics and research, lots of math there) after you cut up the worm you will take your measurments (quantative) and collect them in a databank. Of couse you need to present those data, may it be in Matrix form or in graphs or charts. Using those graphs and charts you can determine mathematical functions which can describe the earthworm.
Example:
at day X an earthworm hay Y amount of blood.

This is not a discussion, this is a answer question round. I see no need for discussion and i thing everything is going fine, everyone can ask questions and get answers.

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire
There are none as blind as those who will not see.

[raindown]

Re: Questions of evolution

I think you have answered your own question - Only True Christians™ follow God's Revealed Truth.

I think you did not understand my question.
Did people during and after the days of Jesus Christ have electricity? If not, how are they different from us?

You mean that before some atheist invented gravity, we all floated around? Check your facts, things have always fallen down.

I wrote that they described it, not that they invented it.
Please read backwards before you respond.
Yet you seem to believe something that scientists say, as science uses the law of gravity all the time and many inventions were based on its understanding.

[Rev Jeffrey Lebowski]

Re: Questions of evolution

Originally Posted by MarkHenry yes i could, go out, do measurements, find a law. However this is about biology so please excuse my interruption and treat it as if you had not read it.

That is known as ''avoiding the question". Typical mathematicaltishens dodge so they don't have to get the pencils out of their pocket protectors.

Originally Posted by raindown I bet being dorm-mates with Mark would be nice.

This Forum is not the backstage of an Elton John concert
Keep your homo-sapient erotic fantasies within the realm of your hypothesis. IE- you guys git a motel room iffin' your looking to attempt pro-creation experiments with ya anuses. We folk don't cotton to that behavior.

crickets chirp....
silence reigns....
still waitin' for the PROOF Of Evolution, rainman........


Oh, and MarkHenry , if ya need something constructive to do while rainman practices mental avoidance.... please figure out how ya can explain what happened before your scientificy Big Bang theory (that should keep your hands out of ya pants fer a while)

[raindown]

Re: Questions of evolution

That is known as ''avoiding the question". Typical mathematicaltishens dodge so they don't have to get the pencils out of their pocket protectors.

This Forum is not the backstage of an Elton John concert
Keep your homo-sapient erotic fantasies within the realm of your hypothesis. IE- you guys git a motel room iffin' your looking to attempt pro-creation experiments with ya anuses. We folk don't cotton to that behavior.

crickets chirp....
silence reigns....
still waitin' for the PROOF Of Evolution, rainman........


Oh, and MarkHenry , if ya need something constructive to do while rainman practices mental avoidance.... please figure out how ya can explain what happened before your scientificy Big Bang theory (that should keep your hands out of ya pants fer a while)

I'm sorry that since you didn't read my whole message you decided to call me homosexual.
In my culture, people who share the same room or apartment can be nothing but friends, but enjoy your wishful thinking.

My previous message includes an explanation of the theory of evolution. You can think of it as a proof, if you want.
Please go back, read and consider, as it was my answer to your request of a proof.