[Brother Helge]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You're wrong. To prove it, I'm taking a wooden carving of a thrush that belonged to my grandfather, and I'm keeping it in a box. I will give it to my first child as soon as he or she is born. There, it's a carving over 90 years old being given to a child that'll only be alive for a few seconds upon receiving the gift.

This would be true if, and only if, you actually could keep light in a box.

Why don't you ask your grandfather to save some daylight in a box so you can give it to your first born grandchild.
Boy, would I like to be there to see the dissapointment in the poor childs eyes when he/she realize you've given 'em an empty box...

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Scientists have once again gone against God's word and have tried to make us believe things that simply aren't true in order to damn our eternal souls to Hell.

The fact of the matter is that even if light really did need to travel millions of years in order for us to see stars you have to account for the fact that it gets dark every night when the sun goes away. This means the sun only has about 12 hours to send light to be reflected off those stars before it goes behind the earth and all the progress it made is canceled.

The only people that want to damn our eternal souls are christians. Why is that! Fear is my bet!

12 million light years away, maybe that means that the light is over 12 million years old. And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

[John Scopes]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

My dear sir they (like all Baptist Christians) believe the sun is made of coal and is in a stationary orbit 500 miles away from the flat surface of the 6000 year old earth.

If you are trying to make a point you will need something more substantial than prescription drugs. Your assumptions of synaptic activity in them brings your credibility into some question.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The only people that want to damn our eternal souls are christians. Why is that! Fear is my bet!

12 million light years away, maybe that means that the light is over 12 million years old. And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

We don't really know much about the sun yet and how God made it work. We likely never will because it's just too hot to get close to. Maybe He made it that way for a reason. That we would enjoy the warmth and tend to our own business.

If I had to guess, I doubt it entirely shuts off but more likely goes into "sleep mode" as it gets to the far edge of the geodisc. God's not one for waste.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The only people that want to damn our eternal souls are christians. Why is that! Fear is my bet!

12 million light years away, maybe that means that the light is over 12 million years old. And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

The light you see from stars is what you see during the present moment. If it takes millions of years, then we wouldn't be able to see it as no observer can live millions of years.

Starlight would take millions of years if it was created millions of years ago, however starlight is created now. The light you see from stars is what is being created the very moment you see it.

You have to use simple common sense and logic.

So basically your entire post which attempts to put a hole in Young Earth Creationism has been debunked.

[Marshall]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

How am I supposed to see star in a million years? What a stupid premise.
The earth will be a decrepit sin filled Hell in a million years after Satan claims it following The Rapture.

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I don't need to know where a car left from or need to know where it is going to know it just passed me either. Your rational and common sense seems to be disabled.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

My dear sir they (like all Baptist Christians) believe the sun is made of coal and is in a stationary orbit 500 miles away from the flat surface of the 6000 year old earth.

If you are trying to make a point you will need something more substantial than prescription drugs. Your assumptions of synaptic activity in them brings your credibility into some question.

Wouldn't stationary orbit mean it shone over the exact same spot all of the time?

You know you're not the only one around here with a science degree.

[Master Gordon]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You need a good English lesson I'd say.

God saying light doesn't necessarily mean the literal "light"....

The meaning could also be interpreted as the truth being revealed.

Then I am confused what do mean? I am sorry I agree with LisaH light cannot jump in a car and travel somewhere.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I don't need to know where a car left from or need to know where it is going to know it just passed me either. Your rational and common sense seems to be disabled.

I've debunked your post, but feel free to contiue to spread lies about if that makes you feel better. That's what you guys did with Piltdown Man for over 40 years.

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

you've dedunked nothing except your own intellegence.

[barton]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I don't need to know where a car left from or need to know where it is going to know it just passed me either. Your rational and common sense seems to be disabled.

You need to see the car to know that it passed you, right? What allows you to see the car, though? Light. This is why we know that things are illuminated instantaneously. If there was an actual "travel time" for illumination... or an actual finite speed, if you will ...then there should be a relative offset in the illumination of objects traveling at different speeds.

However, there is no such difference in the speed at which things are illuminated. Therefore, light is transmitted instantaneously. Seems obvious to me, anyway. Or, are you going to argue for a special case, with respect to light speed? That would be ridiculous... who could possibly support that???

Also, light is described throughout the Bible. In 1st Timothy 6, we read:

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Light that no man can approach is obviously light that "travels" at infinite speed. Also, in Acts 22, we read about a "sudden" light:

6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.

It doesn't say "slowly there shone". It says "suddenly". Like a switch, the lights come on... no delay. Why would there be? So, it's pretty clear to me that the Bible teaches that light has no travel time. There are many, many other passages that directly support this, too.

The only reason you'd disagree would be because you don't believe the Bible. Is this the case?

[Master Gordon]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

@RomanK

I cannot find a flaw in bartons logic so why do you continue to argue your point, are you trying to incite discord among the Christian men and women on this site? Are you a satan worshipper who is trying to mock God and his faithful servants? The KJV1611 Bible is very clear on what happens to liars and God haters:

KJV1611 Revalation 21:8 But the fearefull, and vnbeleeuing, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all lyars, shall haue their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

KJV1611 Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despitefull, proude, boasters, inuenters of euill things, disobedient to parents; Without vnderstanding, couenant breakers, without naturall affection, implacable, vnmercifull; 32 Who knowing the iudgement of God, (that they which commit such things, are worthy of death) not onely do the same, but haue pleasure in them that doe them.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You need to see the car to know that it passed you, right? What allows you to see the car, though? Light. This is why we know that things are illuminated instantaneously. If there was an actual "travel time" for illumination... or an actual finite speed, if you will ...then there should be a relative offset in the illumination of objects traveling at different speeds.

However, there is no such difference in the speed at which things are illuminated. Therefore, light is transmitted instantaneously. Seems obvious to me, anyway. Or, are you going to argue for a special case, with respect to light speed? That would be ridiculous... who could possibly support that???

Also, light is described throughout the Bible. In 1st Timothy 6, we read:

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Light that no man can approach is obviously light that "travels" at infinite speed. Also, in Acts 22, we read about a "sudden" light:

6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.

It doesn't say "slowly there shone". It says "suddenly". Like a switch, the lights come on... no delay. Why would there be? So, it's pretty clear to me that the Bible teaches that light has no travel time. There are many, many other passages that directly support this, too.

The only reason you'd disagree would be because you don't believe the Bible. Is this the case?

Solid science Brother!

There is no support for "light" having a finite speed. The conjecture persists, but light is either on or off and instantly visible.

Even at a distance of six miles, I can see my neighbor's porch light the very second he turns it on. We have tested this while on the phone and there was not a millisecond of delay.

Much like the "moon" (or lunar disc in scientific terms). We know that God made it to rule the night.

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:16-17 - KJV

The moon is bright at night, but somewhat subdued in intensity during the day when it is occasionally visible. Why is this?

Although we have yet to set foot on the moon, God gave us the gift of intelligence that sets us apart from all other living things and makes us vastly superior.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26 - KJV

Using God's gift of the Earth, Creation Scientists have determined that the moon is likely comprised mainly of zinc sulfide, and possibly radium. The former absorbs the light from the sun and provides the luminescence we see at night and the latter the dim radioactive glow we see during the day as the carbon fueled sun's light takes over.

There is no delay in His glorious light ever, day or night.

Praise Christ!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

you've dedunked nothing except your own intellegence.

Assumptions you make if you equate starlight to long periods of time:

1. That the Universe is old and that millions of years have already existed.
2. Intromission theory.

So what we have is a clear case again of the evolutionists circular reasoning, they start at assuming millions of years have existed despite the fact they never observed these periods and have no evidence they ever occurred.