[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

I think you're dodging Brother Bathfire's question. If there's no such thing as timeless truth, as you said earlier, how can science establish whether anything is true?



If you're going to make ridiculous claims such as that there is a platform 9 3/4 at Paddington station, or that Professor Dumbledore is a real person rather than just a figment of J. K. Rowling's imagination, or that Hogwarts is a real school, then the burden of proof is on you, not me. I'm under no obligation to believe your story in the absence of evidence. The Harry Potter books are a collection of fairytales, not meant to be taken literally.


Pim, without sounding patronising, by the comments we've exchanged you seem like an intelligent man, although a fundamentalist, with opinion and beliefs i dont agree with, I read your replies with sincerity.
With that in mind, I would be extremely surprised if you can't see the hypocrisy of your statement.
Your posing an argument that every atheist, scientist, agnostic and non-believer, would post to you, in which, you would reply, "prove god doesn't exist" (I recognise this is stereotype)
So I ask you.
Prove it didn't happen.
I'll give you a head start by telling you that it didn't, but I want you to give me an example of why it didn't, that I couldn't use against you in your theistic argument.




Plus:this is a complete experiment, I have no idea if you can or can't, if you can, it wont surprise me.







As for going back 10 billion years, that's impossible. First, no man, certainly no wizard, could perform that kind of miracle; only God could. Second, if you tally up the genealogies in the Bible, you find that the earth is just over 6,000 years old.

Do I hear an admission of defeat?

Too theistic Pim. I understand why you would use it, but I can't accept it as proof.
There is too much evidence negating a young earth.
There are fossils, tree rings, bones, cultures, astro physical evidence, all proving the world is older.
You need more evidence.
Regards
Edd

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Well yes, but only if we continued to assert scientific theories using technologies, processes and thoughts that predate the 1930's. which we don't.

Ahem... You have obvious left your studies far behind, let me point you to some cutting-edge research:

Recent experiments commissioned by the RATE project1 indicate that "1.5 billion years" worth of nuclear decay took place in one or more short episodes between 4,000 and 14,000 years ago. The results strongly support our accelerated decay hypothesis, that episodes with billion-fold speed-ups of nuclear decay occurred in the recent past, such as during the Genesis flood, the Fall of Adam, or early Creation week. Such accelerations would shrink the alleged 4.5 billion year radioisotope age of the earth down to the 6,000 years that a straightforward reading of the Bible gives.

Our experiments measured how rapidly nuclear-decay-generated helium escapes from tiny radioactive crystals in granite-like rock. The data show that most of the helium generated by nuclear decay would have escaped during the alleged 1.5 billion year uniformitarian2 age of the rock, and there would be very little helium in the crystals today. But the crystals still retain large amounts of helium, amounts our experiments show are entirely consistent with an age of only thousands of years. Thus these data are evidence against the long ages of evolutionism and for the recent creation in Scripture.

You can read more at Nuclear Decay: Evidence For A Young World by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Too theistic Pim. I understand why you would use it, but I can't accept it as proof.
There is too much evidence negating a young earth.
There are fossils, tree rings, bones, cultures, astro physical evidence, all proving the world is older.
You need more evidence.
Regards
Edd

Friend, you miss the point. God created everything. He made the

...fossils, tree rings, bones, cultures, astro physical evidence...

You fail to understand that is God wants today to be tomorrow, it is. He could make it be 03/26/2099 if He wanted it to be. He makes babies, retards and kills old people with less than a blink of an eye and certainly less concern or effort. Think for a minute about the current year. 2013 AD Do you think God has anything to do with it?

[Paragon of virtue]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

You fail to understand that is God wants today to be tomorrow, it is. He could make it be 03/26/2099 if He wanted it to be. He makes babies, retards and kills old people with less than a blink of an eye and certainly less concern or effort. Think for a minute about the current year. 2013 AD Do you think God has anything to do with it?

I'm with you. We are blessed and fortunate to have an omnipotent God who is both compassionate and in full control...but, would we even know it if God wasn't? We as finite human beings cannot fathom the strength and wisdom of God we're specks of dust. Some preachers have made the comparison that it's like a gnat trying to explain to a 747 how to fly. It could be that God has destroyed the Earth and remade it 10,000 times in a second and we as mortal humans would never know it. Perception is the only reality that we have. We must take God at his word and obey his commands...in as much as we can. But isn't it great that a being of this immense power wants to have a personal relationship with us. I think that's staggering and tells you a lot about God's character. You will never be wrong by putting your faith in Him.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Ahem... You have obvious left your studies far behind, let me point you to some cutting-edge research:You can read more at Nuclear Decay: Evidence For A Young World by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

Ezekiel
You bring a very legitimate question and hypothesis for me to answer, unfortunately, and with a little embarrassment, I have to admit that I have not come across this argument before, I have had to do some research. I have looked at several sites, both, for creationism and against. The "for creation" poses a very similar argument to yours. The arguments refuting it are substantial, giving scientific evidence, logical evidence and even theological evidence as to why it is illogical, to suggest that such erosion took place in such a short amount of time.
As not to seem like these have come from me, but at the same time I don't want to seem obnoxious or egotistical in my answer, (which may I say I have little understanding in) I would like to ask you if you would like the links I have found, for and against the argument.
I apologise for not being able to be more thorough, and although it seem like a very intriguing argument, I would have to continue my research before asserting my own opinion on the matter.
All I will say is at this time, the argument seems legitimate, and I will stay impartial until I have learnt more.
But I appreciate your argument, and I refuse to refute it on the short amount of time I've endured researching it, or solely on the basis that it supports creation. If you are at all intetested in my findings, I will of Course share them at your discretion
Regards
Edd

[James Hutchins]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

I'm with you. We are blessed and fortunate to have an omnipotent God who is both compassionate and in full control...but, would we even know it if God wasn't? We as finite human beings cannot fathom the strength and wisdom of God we're specks of dust. Some preachers have made the comparison that it's like a gnat trying to explain to a 747 how to fly. It could be that God has destroyed the Earth and remade it 10,000 times in a second and we as mortal humans would never know it. Perception is the only reality that we have. We must take God at his word and obey his commands...in as much as we can. But isn't it great that a being of this immense power wants to have a personal relationship with us. I think that's staggering and tells you a lot about God's character. You will never be wrong by putting your faith in Him.

The thing that amazes me is all these God haters feel so insistent that the Earth has to be Billions of years old. Such a sense of self importance. Where God has no age, has always existed, the live span of the Earth is akin to that of a fruitfly in relation to Him. You would think these 'people of puffery' would burst a button by now.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Friend, you miss the point. God created everything. He made the

You fail to understand that is God wants today to be tomorrow, it is. He could make it be 03/26/2099 if He wanted it to be. He makes babies, retards and kills old people with less than a blink of an eye and certainly less concern or effort. Think for a minute about the current year. 2013 AD Do you think God has anything to do with it?

From now on I WILL respect your view and adhere to your sites rules.
I completely understand your argument in refuting that which negates the word of God and Christ.
But the arguments that stand irrefutable to you will not stand for me, we have such different views that we are never going to be able to anything but agree to disagree.
What I will say, is that talking with you on this site, as absurd to me as your arguments are, they are obviously legitimate and sincere to you, and who the hell (please excuse my use of words) am I to tell you otherwise. Although I am fundamentally against your views, especially the beating of women, and your views on other races and religions, I understand that as adults this is a lifestyle that has been chosen by the individual which negates the argument of of sadism, it racism.
I have learnt a lot, that I think has made me a more understanding person, to views that I may not understand or indeed agree, with but are accepted as the truth to the person believing it.
I can't make you believe anything I do, just like I won't believe anything you do, that doesn't stop two people having two separate and opposite opinions any less important.
Regards
Edd

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

I'm no physicist so I can't speculate accurately, but to my knowledge quantum physics would negate the exists she of Christ. Unless you can elaborate




Billy bob, you have brought me up on errors I can't refute and I apologise for that, and you bring intriguing questions to a difficult subject.

Regards
Edd

Friend, I am thankful to Jesus for showing you the humility to listen to my incredibly persuasive arguments and at least accept Christian reasoning, if you will not accept Christ's forgiveness and love. It comforts me to know that although you may burn in Hell, you are not trying to drag me and my loved ones down with you anymore.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

I think you're dodging Brother Bathfire's question. If there's no such thing as timeless truth, as you said earlier, how can science establish whether anything is true?

Because truths, aren't facts, hypothesis, theories, evidence, discussion, or even necessarily logical
THEY ARE SUBJECTIVE

If my GF was commuting adultery, would it be a truth??? Yes.
If I didn't know she was doing it, would it be my truth??? No

Do you consider evolution to be true??? Probably not
Do I? Yes

I don't know what else to da to make it clear?

As humanists, we use facts, evidence etc to assert what's true, and in the absence we use logic, and take guidance from past examples, what we don't do, is take it on face value from an untraceable, unknown, unreliable, 2000 year old source, and then base our entire lives on it, That's illogical to me

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Because truths, aren't facts, hypothesis, theories, evidence, discussion, or even necessarily logical
THEY ARE SUBJECTIVE

If my GF was commuting adultery, would it be a truth??? Yes.
If I didn't know she was doing it, would it be my truth??? No

Do you consider evolution to be true??? Probably not
Do I? Yes

So facts aren't true?

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

So facts aren't true?

All facts are true, but if you choose to disregard the fact, then it won't be true to you, will it, it will be false? But it will continue to be a fact, even in the absence of your acknowledgement, i.e. evolution
I did say this, not in such a literal sense but then I didn't think I'd have to.

Look the logic is there isn't it?

What your trying to say is that, "if a fact is true then a truth must be fact"
And that's just word play.

And before you say it, facts aren't subjective either, only the choice of disregarding them is

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

If my GF was commuting adultery, would it be a truth??? Yes.
If I didn't know she was doing it, would it be my truth??? No.

Just because you've let your woman get so out of control that you don't realize she is fornicating with another man doesn't change the TRUTH of the situation, only your ignorance of it.

The FACTS remain constant...just like the TRUTH.

YiC,

Zech

P.S. Get yourself checked out.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

All facts are true, but if you choose to disregard the fact, then it won't be true to you, will it, it will be false? But it will continue to be a fact, even in the absence of your acknowledgement, i.e. evolution
I did say this, not in such a literal sense but then I didn't think I'd have to.

Look the logic is there isn't it?

What your trying to say is that, "if a fact is true then a truth must be fact"
And that's just word play.

And before you say it, facts aren't subjective either, only the choice of disregarding them is

Truth is subjective -- is this statement a subjective truth, or an objective fact? If it's subjective, it's self-refuting. It's true for you but not for me. If it's objective... well, I'd like to see you show how it's objective.

truth
/tro͞oTH/
Noun
The quality or state of being true: "the truth of her accusation".
That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality: "tell me the truth".
Synonyms
sooth - verity - reality - fact - veracity - fidelity

fact
/fakt/
Noun
A thing that is indisputably the case.
Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
Synonyms
reality - deed - actuality - truth - case - circumstance

I wasn't trying to trick you with wordplay, and I'm not being obtuse. If, for example, God doesn't exist, that is truth, whether I acknowledge it or not. If He exists, that is truth, whether you acknowledge it or not. You seem to be using truth as a synonym for belief or opinion. Fact is the stronger word, but facts are true.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Just because you've let your woman get so out of control that you don't realize she is fornicating with another man doesn't change the TRUTH of the situation, only your ignorance of it.

The FACTS remain constant...just like the TRUTH.

YiC,

Zech

P.S. Get yourself checked out.

Are you guys for real? You've just described the exact point I'm trying to make.
You even used my word, The FACT remains constant

[Paragon of virtue]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

You even used my word, The FACT remains constant

I know one thing about your words that are constant...they are all balderdash!! and the FACT is that you're going straight to Hell when you die and all your queer, homosexual friends will start a prayer meeting then, but it won't do you one bit of good...Luke 16:23...you had better use that pea brain of yours to get with the program and acknowledge that you are a sinner that needs the Lord! 2 Corinthians 6:2 Praise the Lord!! God does exist! Heaven is real! ....and Hell may or may not be yet but at least Hades is now and you will so be there and then later you will be in the eternal fires of a place called HELL!!! collecting your just reward! for all eternity!!!!!