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  • The Triplewart Sea Devil

    This is a very interesting life form. I'm curious to get an atheist opinion on its evolutionary origins and how they fathom there is no intelligence whatsoever in the workings of anything.

    One of the amazing things about life on the earth is that life exists in places where the conditions are so severe that it would seem impossible for any kind of life to be there. Imagine living in a place where there is no sunlight, the temperature is slightly above freezing, and pressure is greater than 150 tons per square foot. This is the home of the deep sea anglerfish also known as the triplewart sea devil and wolf-trap anglerfish. These names got applied when people found dead specimens floating in the ocean and could not imagine what they were like when they were alive. Now that scientists have seen them in their natural environment, the awe of these creatures has just gotten bigger.

    Eating is a major issue for this fish. How do you locate food in totally
    dark, sparsely populated regions of the sea? The deep sea anglerfish has a rod running off its head with a light-giving enzyme called luciferase on its tip. This enables the fish to attract prey and/or mates. The tip is a fleshy wad that wiggles, looking like a small fish. The jaw of the fish produces suction when the mouth is opened and it has retractable teeth that face into the mouth. An approaching fish will be sucked into the mouth and cannot get out. The mouth can open in four milliseconds so the suction is very fast. The stomach of the fish is expandable so it can actually swallow something larger than itself.

    Finding a mate is an issue in the conditions of the deep sea, but the male
    anglerfish is 25 times smaller than the female, and when they find each other he chomps down on the female and never lets go. His circulatory system fuses with hers and all his organs except the reproductive organs shut down, so he becomes a permanent sperm bank. One species of anglerfish has a male that is 6.2 mm long, the smallest vertebrate known to man.
    How does evolution explain this? Or does it simply ignore the philosophical context, in turn not really begging the next question. I ask this because I've heard many atheist insist that science proves atheism. That science and any form of "extra-knowable intelligence", for lack of a better phrase, are incompatible (or is it just certain religions?).

    To be more precise, is it your opinion that the mutations that lead to this creature's unique biological properties and sexual dimorphism are just a matter of chance;

    That out of the blue it simply adapted, by pure happenstance, these traits which are perfectly suited for deep sea, pitch black environments?

    That the male role is not an adaption designed to increase the chances of procreation. But merely a random mutation with no rhyme or reason?

    That the glowing light hanging from the female head is not intended to attract prey, but is just some weird appendage that is there for no particular reason?

    Now the logical question might be to ask, if it is all completely a matter of chance - chance that its predecessor species just so happened to mutate in a way that facilitated a new environment - how did this parent species survive for millions of years prior to the full onset of its current biology if we can call it an adaptation?

    And if we assume the changes are not reactionary or premeditated, but again pseudo random, why do we find such environmental adaptations throughout the entire animal kingdom? In terms of genetic transfer it would seem as likely as a single Negroid male being deposited into an all Caucasoid gene pool and expecting the Negroid features to not only still persist millions of years later, but to have completely replaced the Caucasoid features. This seems to me to be the only logical analogy. Please correct me if I'm missing something.

    This species' males have effectively evolved into a female testicle. That's a pretty drastic transformation.

    How do you rationalize this scientifically? Or do you not rationalize it, stopping at the face value, merely accept it for what it is and ignoring the philosophical inquires/implications?

    Now it is okay to simple acknowledge natural phenomenon at face value, however in doing so you don't form a complete circle of understanding. In which case, on what basis do you affirm atheism vs. the uncertainty of agnosticism? Where in is it found the certainty of your assumptions?

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    Hey, evolutionist..

    ..how would this thing survive when it only had ½ a light

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      Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

      I am not skilled in mathmatics, but I believe if something is one times smaller that something else, it would have to be zero, that is: nonexistant.

      If it was 25 times smaller, that would have to be what a black hole is, because it would have to be less than zero in size and hugely nonexistant. That makes some sense, though I know but little about deep sea life, because it is very dark down there and it would be a good place to keep a black hole.
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        Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

        My suspicion arises at:
        Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
        Now that scientists have seen them in their natural environment, the awe of these creatures has just gotten bigger.
        It is known that "scientists" try to lure True Christians into homerism, and thus to satan. How can you trust them claiming to have seen this"extraordinary" creatures?
        Or were those scientists Creation Scientists?
        II Kings 2:23-24: 23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

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            Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

            Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
            How does evolution explain this? Or does it simply ignore the philosophical context, in turn not really begging the next question. I ask this because I've heard many atheist insist that science proves atheism. That science and any form of "extra-knowable intelligence", for lack of a better phrase, are incompatible (or is it just certain religions?).
            But of course evolution ignores the philosophical context of anything and everything. According to Darwinists, philosophy and morals and ethics are superimposed on the animal kingdom and humans are naught but moralistic animals, creating a sense of morality where there is no objective source. This is the rationalization they use to recruit children into homosexuality, but I digress.

            Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
            To be more precise, is it your opinion that the mutations that lead to this creature's unique biological properties and sexual dimorphism are just a matter of chance;
            Random chance is the cornerstone of evolution. According to their theory, one day I ought to open up my dryer and find all my clothes neatly folded, such is the random evolution of the world. At the very least, mothers should have three arms to assist with all the work we do. Apparently evolution doesn't work like it's supposed to, it only works when it's convenient to the Darwinist.

            Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
            Now the logical question might be to ask, if it is all completely a matter of chance - chance that its predecessor species just so happened to mutate in a way that facilitated a new environment - how did this parent species survive for millions of years prior to the full onset of its current biology if we can call it an adaptation?
            And this is where you'll find the evolutionists finally silent. They have no answer because none exists. Instead they'll attempt to distract their audience with stories of cruel Muslims and pretend that means all religion is evil.

            Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
            Now it is okay to simple acknowledge natural phenomenon at face value, however in doing so you don't form a complete circle of understanding. In which case, on what basis do you affirm atheism vs. the uncertainty of agnosticism? Where in is it found the certainty of your assumptions?
            Their giant ego. You see, when man decides he is God Himself, his ego grows proportionately.

            That's why atheists are always so miserable.
            Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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              Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

              Hi Jack.

              Where your inserted text goes wrong is when it says about places where life is but it is fantastically implausible that it would be there because of the extreme nature of said surroundings.

              The fact that life exists in these areas proves it is not implausible. What you are doing is buying into the idea that the commonly appearing life we have observed for years is the only possible type of life.

              Patently it isn't.

              God created the life we see on this planet: but is it beyond His power to keep creating life? Funny how these new extremophiles appear only when we look do them.

              Proof, if proof be need be that God is always looking out for His followers, creating new organisms as and when they are needed to fit into the perfect reality He has created.

              YIC
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              Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

              Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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                Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil


                His circulatory system fuses with hers and all his organs except the reproductive organs shut down, so he becomes a permanent sperm bank.
                So in essence the fish's whole body serves as a penis. I know some people like that.
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                  Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

                  Hold on, mate. Atheists are telling you that science proves God is not real?

                  I want you to quickly take an undergrad course in the philosophy of science, take a long hard look at the scientific method and ask how it is possible, using the scientific method, to prove a negative.

                  As an educated atheist I'm frankly embarrassed by your entire post.

                  How do you expect to beat these dunderheads if you don't even understand your own argument?

                  A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

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                    Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

                    Originally posted by FreeFromBrains View Post
                    Hold on, mate. Atheists are telling you that science proves God is not real?

                    I want you to quickly take an undergrad course in the philosophy of science, take a long hard look at the scientific method and ask how it is possible, using the scientific method, to prove a negative.

                    As an educated atheist I'm frankly embarrassed by your entire post.

                    How do you expect to beat these dunderheads if you don't even understand your own argument?

                    He doesn't, we cannot be beaten, God is on our side. This post is his first step in acquiescing to our greater knowledge. He sees the holes in the evolution hypothesis and he has spiritual questions. It is you who misunderstand

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                      Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

                      Originally posted by FreeFromBrains View Post
                      Hold on, mate. Atheists are telling you that science proves God is not real?

                      I want you to quickly take an undergrad course in the philosophy of science, take a long hard look at the scientific method and ask how it is possible, using the scientific method, to prove a negative.

                      As an educated atheist I'm frankly embarrassed by your entire post.

                      How do you expect to beat these dunderheads if you don't even understand your own argument?

                      I believe you are misinterpreting my post.

                      There is no argument, per say. I am not arguing anything. I've asked questions. The primary overarching question being: How can an atheist come to an absolute conclusion without absolute knowledge?

                      I presume your answer is, "They cannot." In which case atheism would be an inherently flawed viewpoint if supposedly based on scientific merit. Like many other beliefs, it is a matter of denial or acceptance. It is merely a choice, not a rational conclusion.

                      As an admitted atheist, would you agree or disagree with my assessment?

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                        Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

                        Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
                        I believe you are misinterpreting my post.

                        There is no argument, per say. I am not arguing anything. I've asked questions. The primary overarching question being: How can an atheist come to an absolute conclusion without absolute knowledge?

                        I presume your answer is, "They cannot." In which case atheism would be an inherently flawed viewpoint if supposedly based on scientific merit. Like many other beliefs, it is a matter of denial or acceptance. It is merely a choice, not a rational conclusion.

                        As an admitted atheist, would you agree or disagree with my assessment?
                        Well, there are many factors that come into play. The official atheist stance is "God cannot be proven, therefore I will not believe" it is a rejection of a belief. There is no official atheist claim, it is the (incorrect) rejection of a claim.

                        This is of course smoke, mirrors and artful dodgery. Atheist DO in fact KNOW in their hearts God exists, and atheism is the act of either trying to wish God away, or an active deception because they are working for Satan.

                        In truth, neither scenario makes one iota of difference, they are equally damning

                        YiC
                        DAM
                        Psalm 137:8-9 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
                        Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.


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                          Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

                          Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
                          I believe you are misinterpreting my post.

                          There is no argument, per say. I am not arguing anything. I've asked questions. The primary overarching question being: How can an atheist come to an absolute conclusion without absolute knowledge?

                          I presume your answer is, "They cannot." In which case atheism would be an inherently flawed viewpoint if supposedly based on scientific merit. Like many other beliefs, it is a matter of denial or acceptance. It is merely a choice, not a rational conclusion.

                          As an admitted atheist, would you agree or disagree with my assessment?


                          You talk like a Jesuit.

                          There is a special place in Hell for smart atheists, right next to the Democrats. You'll be able to sit around and talk philosophy with Jimmy Carter.

                          Better though: Why don't you get right with Jesus before it's too late?

                          It's that or Hell and you won't like it there.

                          Here's the rules*- You have until you pass to accept Jesus. It can be anytime and He will take you in, no matter your past indiscretions. However, God is on to your sly tricks, so don't try that old "I'll just wait to the last minute" thing. As soon as you try something like that, you will get one of those infarctions and then it's off to Perdition to burn in the unquenchable fires of Hell for the rest of eternity.

                          *John 11:24-26: Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
                          God judgeth the righteous, And God is angry with the wicked every day- Psalm 7:11

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                            Re: The Triplewart Sea Devil

                            Originally posted by Lone Jack View Post
                            ...per say...
                            The term is "per se".

                            Please don't use it.

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                              Re: Hey, evolutionist.. oh, good: one's turned up

                              Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
                              ..how would this thing survive when it only had ½ a light
                              What about when it only had of a light?














                              Originally posted by FreeFromBrains View Post
                              scientific method blah to prove a negative. blah
                              YES
                              Last edited by MitzaLizalor; 08-12-2013, 10:15 PM. Reason: inadvertent double post

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